Apparitions of Mary

[1234]

It won’t help.

At Fatima, only the three children saw Mary. She was invisible to everybody else. But everybody saw the miracle of the “dancing sun”. Surely you have no doubt that something phenomemal happened on Oct 13th 1917. Would it matter if it were captured on video? Isn’t the testimony of 70,000 witnesses enough? I hope you’re not suggesting that 70,000 people didn’t see something phenomenal that day.

P.S. Don’t hold your breath waiting for the next spectacular miracle to occur. It really doesn’t happen that often.

I’m not holding my breath.

My beliefs don’t depend on miracles.

The next time the sun dances, SOMEone in the audience will have a video phone and can capture it for YouTube.

I think that it’ll be a long long time.

Ever heard of mass hysteria?

 

[1234]

when I was a Roman Catholic I saw Mary in a grilled cheese sandwich, she uttered these word’s “eat this sandwich and I will tell Jesus how wonderful you are” I did not eat the sandwich because I am lactose intollerent, I often wonder how my life would have changed if I had eaten that sandwich.

…what you should have done is post it on eBay!

 

[1234]

Yeah, some Christians have a lot of faith in the devil…

It would be very helpful to have had a* video* of the dancing sun, if not the virgin. Or to have an observatory nearby.

 

[lukewarm]

No miracles exist, the fact that no amputee has ever had a limb regrown to heal them proves these healings and miracles are just in peoples minds.

I never believed the Marian apparitions when I was a Catholic, in fact I would slink in embarassment every time Catholics would flock somewhere because Mary was found in a piece of drywall or something. I found these apparition stories to be baseless and the result of mass hysteria around people adicted to the cult of Mary.

I find the Marian apparitions hurt Catholicism’s credibility and make them seem very superstitious and behind the times.

 

[LilyM]

No miracles exist, the fact that no amputee has ever had a limb regrown to heal them proves these healings and miracles are just in peoples minds.

I never believed the Marian apparitions when I was a Catholic, in fact I would slink in embarassment every time Catholics would flock somewhere because Mary was found in a piece of drywall or something. I found these apparition stories to be baseless and the result of mass hysteria around people adicted to the cult of Mary.

I find the Marian apparitions hurt Catholicism’s credibility and make them seem very superstitious and behind the times.

Well, people claiming that Mary appears in a drywall or a grilled cheese sandwich is many orders of magnitude different from Fatima, and I too am ashamed of them. Fatima, however, cannot be ignored. There were tens of thousands of witnesses who saw the ‘dancing’ sun, a large number of them either indifferent agnostics or downright sceptical atheists and anything but superstitious. Who all saw the same thing or as near as makes no difference, as their written statements show.

Moving along, I suppose all the good Christians (including yourself) who have believed and do believe in Jesus because of His miracles and those of the Apostles, and because He appeared to people after He was resurrected are also superstitious and behind the times. Paul’s conversion was based on exactly such an apparition - was HE merely being superstitious to believe in Christ because of it?

Why this double standard where miracles and apparitions are fine in Gospel times or if they involve Christ but not otherwise? Do you think that Jesus appeared to people and that His apostles did their miracles merely to pander to the superstitions of a behind-the-times people? Surely to do so is beneath Him and them.

Or even worse, do you not even believe that they actually did these miracles? That’s one step away from not believing that He rose from the dead at all - and you know what Paul says about our faith being in vain if we don’t believe He is risen.

Did He not say that those who believe in Him would perform the same works that He did and even greater?

 

[NaturalEnquirer]

I’m not holding my breath.

My beliefs don’t depend on miracles.

The next time the sun dances, SOMEone in the audience will have a video phone and can capture it for YouTube.

I think that it’ll be a long long time.

Ever heard of mass hysteria?

1234, we meet again. I promise I’m not stalking you.

I have indeed heard of mass hysteria. But I have never heard of 70,000 people having a simultaneous hallucination. I’ve heard of a few hundred people having psychosomatic disease symptoms. I’ve heard of widespread panic. I’ve heard of people being fooled by illusionists (not sure of the largest scale here). But I’ve never heard a proposal for how a “dancing sun” illusion could be performed.

Have you ever heard of a case of mass hysteria that would fit this description?

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

… Ever heard of mass hysteria?

Great! So you do believe that 70,000 people experienced something phenomenal.

Unfortunately, you just insulted them.

 

[paarsurrey]

No miracles exist, the fact that no amputee has ever had a limb regrown to heal them proves these healings and miracles are just in peoples minds.

I never believed the Marian apparitions when I was a Catholic, in fact I would slink in embarassment every time Catholics would flock somewhere because Mary was found in a piece of drywall or something. I found these apparition stories to be baseless and the result of mass hysteria around people adicted to the cult of Mary.

I find the Marian apparitions hurt Catholicism’s credibility and make them seem very superstitious and behind the times.

Hi

I agree with you. This seems to be a sheer superstition, affecting the religion very badly, in my opinion.

Thanks

 

[1234]

Great! So you do believe that 70,000 people experienced something phenomenal.

Unfortunately, you just insulted them.

it’s not an insult. Mass hysteria is a commonly observed event. There is all the more reason to invoke mass hysteria on that day as the 70,000 had come in expectation of a phenomenonal event, which they had been told *in advance *would happen.

 

[1234]

1234, we meet again. I promise I’m not stalking you.

I have indeed heard of mass hysteria. But I have never heard of 70,000 people having a simultaneous hallucination. I’ve heard of a few hundred people having psychosomatic disease symptoms. I’ve heard of widespread panic. I’ve heard of people being fooled by illusionists (not sure of the largest scale here). But I’ve never heard a proposal for how a “dancing sun” illusion could be performed.

Have you ever heard of a case of mass hysteria that would fit this description?

Yes, we meet again, Obi-Wan-Kenobe.

No, I haven’t. But I haven’t studied the phenomenon of mass hysteria.

…my understanding of Fatima is that, like other apparitions of Mary, it took place in a distant, isolated, ‘backward’ area like Lourdes, and involved a series of apparitions to children ( a girl at Lourdes), which month by month began to attract large and then huge crowds. Both Lourdes and Fatima also took place in an atmosphere of severe tension between the RCC and the state government.

…but at Fatima there was a prediction of some spectacular event that would take place at the time of the last apparition. There were also Secrets told, an a lot of talk about the ‘conversion of Russia’, which also heightened the suspense.

…I don’t know what led up to the apparition of the ‘dancing sun’. I don’t know if it was something the children saw, pointed to, started screaming, or what. But the circumstances are such to justify a supposition of mass hysteria. I don’t know of how many similar events have taken place in the West or possibly have happened in the East, at huge gatherings of religious festivals.

Medjujorge also involved a number of Secrets, but I don’t know anything about them.

John XXIII, of whom I am a fan, ignored the apparitions. At some point he read the Third Secret, and put it away without comment.

 

[1234]

1234, we meet again. I promise I’m not stalking you.

Yes, we meet again, Obi-Wan-Kenobe.

I have indeed heard of mass hysteria. But I have never heard of 70,000 people having a simultaneous hallucination. I’ve heard of a few hundred people having psychosomatic disease symptoms. I’ve heard of widespread panic. I’ve heard of people being fooled by illusionists (not sure of the largest scale here). But I’ve never heard a proposal for how a “dancing sun” illusion could be performed.

Have you ever heard of a case of mass hysteria that would fit this description?

No, I haven’t. But I haven’t studied the phenomenon of mass hysteria.

…my understanding of Fatima is that, like other apparitions of Mary, it took place in a distant, isolated, ‘backward’ area like Lourdes, and involved a series of apparitions to children ( a girl at Lourdes), which month by month began to attract large and then huge crowds. Both Lourdes and Fatima also took place in an atmosphere of huge tension between the RCC and the state government.

…but at Fatima there was a prediction of some spectacular event that would take place at the time of the last apparition. There were also Secrets told, an a lot of talk about the ‘conversion of Russia’, which also heightened the suspense.

…I don’t know what led up to the apparition of the ‘dancing sun’. I don’t know if it was something the children saw, pointed to, started screaming, or what. But the circumstances are such to justify a supposition of mass hysteria. I don’t know of how many similar events have taken place in the West or possibly have happened in the East, at huge gatherings of religious festivals.

Medjujorge also involved a number of Secrets, but I don’t know anything about them.

John XXIII, of whom I am a fan, ignored the apparitions. At some point he read the Third Secret, and put it away without comment.

 

[NaturalEnquirer]

Yes, we meet again, Obi-Wan-Kenobe.

No, I haven’t. But I haven’t studied the phenomenon of mass hysteria.

…

But the circumstances are such to justify a supposition of mass hysteria.

I don’t understand how you reconcile these two statements. If you haven’t studied mass hysteria, and you have never heard of a similar case of mass hysteria, how can you say that the circumstances justify the claim?

 

[teadough]

I will see a miracle when I attend Mass in the morning. Matter of fact,I saw one yesterday at Mass. It happened during Holy Communion and it will happen again. Thanks be to God.

 

[LilyM]

it’s not an insult. Mass hysteria is a commonly observed event. There is all the more reason to invoke mass hysteria on that day as the 70,000 had come in expectation of a phenomenonal event, which they had been told *in advance *would happen.

But a lot of them DIDN’T come expecting to see anything at all - that’s the beauty of Fatima. Like I said, a substantial percentage of them were atheists and agnostics, as they freely admit in the evidence taken afterwards. These were in fact mostly expecting, planning and hoping for nothing at all to happen - and waiting to chalk up major brownie points for the agnostics and atheists when they reported on a non-event. By their own admission.

Unluckily for those plans it turned out very differentely indeed …

 

[Eschato]

John XXIII, of whom I am a fan, ignored the apparitions. At some point he read the Third Secret, and put it away without comment.

…Ignored? I don’t know if that is the best wording…

 

[inJESUS]

Do you believe that Mary, the other Saints, or maybe angels visit people and can be seen?

with no shred of a doubt.:yup: ( me too i used to be skeptical)

 

[RevDrNorth]

But a lot of them DIDN’T come expecting to see anything at all - that’s the beauty of Fatima. Like I said, a substantial percentage of them were atheists and agnostics, as they freely admit in the evidence taken afterwards. These were in fact mostly expecting, planning and hoping for nothing at all to happen - and waiting to chalk up major brownie points for the agnostics and atheists when they reported on a non-event. By their own admission.

Unluckily for those plans it turned out very differentely indeed …

Amen and quite accurate. This fact makes the miracle of the sun carry that much more weight. Not to mention the strong prophetic quality (and ethical) to the apparition. Amazingly accurate predictions. The more I learn about Fatima the more amazed I am. I pray that the world heeds the warnings.

 

[swariffin]

Hi

Angles could visit anybody Catholic, non-Catholic, Muslims , non-Muslims even atheists/agnostics ect. It is their discretion not our.

But the Marian apparitions , seems more like a superstition. Those who see them can’t mention her description with clarity, they mention very generalized things and no specific things, I think. I think even Vatican approved don’t mention any specifics. If there are specific description, please mention with references.

Thanks

Hi, my dear brother Paar, it has been a long time I have not responding to your post. We the Catholics are more interested in the fruit of the apparition of Mary, rather than the detail of the apparition itself. Just like me, not interested in the detail of the aerodynamic or the law of physics of an airplane, but rather to the advantages I can enjoy from an airplane.

 

[Fergal]

I feel that I must share something with all of you that until now I have not shared with anyone else bar my wife.

I have a little tradition that I follow after the birth of each of my children and that is that I always go to visit the Blessed Sacrament in the hospital chapel in thanksgiving.

This time, having entrusted the pregnancy and birth of our child, Karl, to the Immaculate Heart of Our Lady, I was very moved by what I witnessed in that same hospital chapel.

On the floor just under the left side of the Altar as we face it, was a perfect image of Our Lady of Fatima. I only had my mobile phone and asked our Lord in the Tabernacle for permission to take the pictures. I took two. Those of you familiar with her image will see it perfectly presented here.

For the first time ever and not without some embarrassment and slight discomfort, I present these pictures for your discernment.

Some of you will laugh, some will question, some will see the grace presented for what it is. May God forgive me if I am looking too deeply into this and seeing what he did not intend. The only thing I ask of you all is a prayer.

Fergal.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

I feel that I must share something with all of you that until now I have not shared with anyone else bar my wife.

I have a little tradition that I follow after the birth of each of my children and that is that I always go to visit the Blessed Sacrament in the hospital chapel in thanksgiving.

This time, having entrusted the pregnancy and birth of our child, Karl, to the Immaculate Heart of Our Lady, I was very moved by what I witnessed in that same hospital chapel.

On the floor just under the left side of the Altar as we face it, was a perfect image of Our Lady of Fatima. I only had my mobile phone and asked our Lord in the Tabernacle for permission to take the pictures. I took two. Those of you familiar with her image will see it perfectly presented here.

For the first time ever and not without some embarrassment and slight discomfort, I present these pictures for your discernment.

Some of you will laugh, some will question, some will see the grace presented for what it is. May God forgive me if I am looking too deeply into this and seeing what he did not intend. The only thing I ask of you all is a prayer.

Fergal.

Right now, it’s 10pm in Sydney, and I’m surfing the net in my family room with the television on; It’s on Channel 2 and I’m watching a documentary on Lourdes.

I can’t confirm what you see in the picture, but it’s a fascinating moment.