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It seems that the congregation at my parish takes any hint to burst out into applause during Mass. During the last Sunday Mass I attended, I 4 instances of applause; a new EMHC was announced at the beginning of Mass;;;applause; after a Missionary gave his homily with the obligatory request for funds—applause; after some announcment at the end of Mass and before the final sign of the cross–applause; after the final song was sung/played (after the final sign of the cross)–applause…I’m thinking that only the last instance is justifyable.
 
It seems that the congregation at my parish takes any hint to burst out into applause during Mass. During the last Sunday Mass I attended, I 4 instances of applause; a new EMHC was announced at the beginning of Mass;;;applause; after a Missionary gave his homily with the obligatory request for funds—applause; after some announcment at the end of Mass and before the final sign of the cross–applause; after the final song was sung/played (after the final sign of the cross)–applause…I’m thinking that only the last instance is justifyable.
This reminds me of the Assembly of God church I went to while growing up. (insert nauseated emoticon here; bad memories, sorry).
 
It seems that the congregation at my parish takes any hint to burst out into applause during Mass. During the last Sunday Mass I attended, I 4 instances of applause; a new EMHC was announced at the beginning of Mass;;;applause; after a Missionary gave his homily with the obligatory request for funds—applause; after some announcment at the end of Mass and before the final sign of the cross–applause; after the final song was sung/played (after the final sign of the cross)–applause…I’m thinking that only the last instance is justifyable.
Applause is never acceptable during the Liturgy.
 
so then should I bring up my reservations about it to the parish priest? doubt if it would do any good though. Do you have any refererences I can cite to which prohibit this practice? thx
 
so then should I bring up my reservations about it to the parish priest? doubt if it would do any good though. Do you have any refererences I can cite to which prohibit this practice? thx
“Whenever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievment, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment.”

Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger
Pope Benedict XVI

Page 198 - The Spirit of the Liturgy
 
thanks, yes I’ve read that quote before. However is applause actually prohibited or discouraged in some official Church document?
 
Applause is unacceptable during the Mass. I never do it, even when everybody else does it (though this doesn’t make me more righteous or just or anything). However, this ends up making me look like the bad guy. That quote by Benedictus XVI is great.
 
It seems that the congregation at my parish takes any hint to burst out into applause during Mass. During the last Sunday Mass I attended, I 4 instances of applause; a new EMHC was announced at the beginning of Mass;;;applause; after a Missionary gave his homily with the obligatory request for funds—applause; after some announcment at the end of Mass and before the final sign of the cross–applause; after the final song was sung/played (after the final sign of the cross)–applause…I’m thinking that only the last instance is justifyable.
We’ve only had it in my parish when a priest is leaving and says his good-byes—after everything else has concluded. Oh, and a couple of times for the full chorus/orchestra after the final song.
 
I think it is useful to consider why people applaude.

In the kind of cases you have mentioned, I think people are trying to show their appreciation, or their congratulations, to the person involved. This is not in itself a bad thing. As well, I think clapping is more common at other kinds of events, and to many, it seems the natural thing to do. So they are not trying to be disrespectful or inappropriate.

To some extent the priest has little control over this - if people decide to clap, what can he do? The only option would be to bring it up in a homily or announcement, or put it in a bulletin. One would have to be careful to be pastoral about it, since there is really no ill-intent.

But perhaps the issue is more this - why are some of these things that cause people to clap going on DURING the mass? I think sometimes the answer is - that is the only way the priest can be sure to get them in the church, which is another kind of problem. Ideally, announcements and new appointments should happen before the Mass or after, at which point applause would be ok. (It can be difficult to have them after if you are in one of those parishes where people leave before the end, and it can be annoying to those praying to have them at the beginning.) Could the missionary speak at coffee hour after? (But, would people come?)

I have no idea why people applauded at the end after the final song. That is the one that makes the least sense to me.

As an aside, a funny story from the High Anglican church I used to attend, where no one ever applauded during the Mass. One day there were some guest singers from the black Baptist church next door. They sang some lovely gospel stuff, and at the end, there was silence. Not what happens in their church. The priest nodded his head appreciatively and said to them, “they are applauding in their hearts!”
 
My Pastor has forbidden applause during Mass, one of the first things he did after becoming Pastor, and one of the few changes he made. However, we did applaud our resident seminarian after he gave his farewell speech after Mass but before the final blessing. It did seem appropriate at this time as he did a great deal in the parish and we benefitted greatly from his being there. He will make an outstanding priest. He is very humble and I think was a little embarrassed, though, but appreciative.

Other than that, we don’t applaud during Mass.
 
Applause is never acceptable during the Liturgy.
Never say never. 😛

There are a few, limited (as in you can count them on one hand and still have fingers left over) moments when applause (as a gesture in our society) can be warranted at Liturgy. One that comes to my mind is an applause showing acceptance of a newly baptized member.
 
Applause is unacceptable during the Mass. I never do it, even when everybody else does it (though this doesn’t make me more righteous or just or anything). However, this ends up making me look like the bad guy. That quote by Benedictus XVI is great.
I dont applause nor hold hands during the Our Father nor do I Orans Posture. Funny thing is according to what I know Im doing the right things but look like the odd man out…LOL

Ive even been scoffed at for my unwillingness to participate in holding hands.

I dont go to Mass for entertainment.

Its only 1 hour why do people feel the need to add things? Is not the presence of Christ enough? Have people lost faith in the true presence and thats why we feel the need to clap,hold hands, flail hands out (and also with you) To me this is all show. Is it any wonder applause has crept in?
 
My parish is good about this, not much applauding going on–perhaps a handful of times a year. We had one PV who frowned on it (and I agree) and he would speak up if people applauded inappropriately. Our pastor however doesn’t mind it at all–particularly for something like the children’s choir singing a special communion song.

This past Sunday we had a weird instance of applause though-- after Mass (ie after communion but before the recessional) we had someone speak for a minute about a pro-life organization and we took up a 2nd collection. I thought applause for that was a bit weird. Afterward we decided that people just a conditioned to applaud and they didn’t really know any other way of responding.
 
Never say never. 😛

There are a few, limited (as in you can count them on one hand and still have fingers left over) moments when applause (as a gesture in our society) can be warranted at Liturgy. One that comes to my mind is an applause showing acceptance of a newly baptized member.
Your right and also with ordination.

But I think the point is we are loosing our Catholic identity (in my humble opinion)

How long until we are raising our hands out yelling HALLELUJAH, AMEN FATHER PREACH IT! Jumping pews rolling on the floor etc…?

If its true God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow its not him that changes its us.

I grew up in the late 60s and remember having to walk over people to get in line for communion. Today 99.9% if not everyone gets up and goes. You cant tell me no one
in our church has a mortal sin.

How long has it been that youve heard “One True Church”?

I apologise for going off subject however its because I believe this is all intertwined.
 
I think it is useful to consider why people applaude.

In the kind of cases you have mentioned, I think people are trying to show their appreciation, or their congratulations, to the person involved. This is not in itself a bad thing. As well, I think clapping is more common at other kinds of events, and to many, it seems the natural thing to do. So they are not trying to be disrespectful or inappropriate.

To some extent the priest has little control over this - if people decide to clap, what can he do? The only option would be to bring it up in a homily or announcement, or put it in a bulletin. One would have to be careful to be pastoral about it, since there is really no ill-intent.

But perhaps the issue is more this - why are some of these things that cause people to clap going on DURING the mass? I think sometimes the answer is - that is the only way the priest can be sure to get them in the church, which is another kind of problem. Ideally, announcements and new appointments should happen before the Mass or after, at which point applause would be ok. (It can be difficult to have them after if you are in one of those parishes where people leave before the end, and it can be annoying to those praying to have them at the beginning.) Could the missionary speak at coffee hour after? (But, would people come?)

I have no idea why people applauded at the end after the final song. That is the one that makes the least sense to me.

As an aside, a funny story from the High Anglican church I used to attend, where no one ever applauded during the Mass. One day there were some guest singers from the black Baptist church next door. They sang some lovely gospel stuff, and at the end, there was silence. Not what happens in their church. The priest nodded his head appreciatively and said to them, “they are applauding in their hearts!”
I agree that this is why people applaud. For certain things, like a Rite of Welcoming, a baptism, commisioning–those things are supposed to happen during Mass and I can see why it is a natural response to applaud afterward as a way to welcome the person or show appreciation for the task. Those kinds of rites/rituals don’t happen at every Mass so I don’t think we should worry too much about applause there.

The things that fit under Pope Benedict’s comment (as Cardinal) are special songs, happy birthdays, anniversaries, people coming or going from the parish–those are the kinds of things that receptions/coffee hours were designed for! 😛
 
It seems that the congregation at my parish takes any hint to burst out into applause during Mass. During the last Sunday Mass I attended, I 4 instances of applause; a new EMHC was announced at the beginning of Mass;;;applause; after a Missionary gave his homily with the obligatory request for funds—applause; after some announcement at the end of Mass and before the final sign of the cross–applause; after the final song was sung/played (after the final sign of the cross)–applause…I’m thinking that only the last instance is justifiable.
I think you need to look at each one individually.

The first appears to just be wrong. Not only in the applause, but in introducing the EMHC. I doubt anyone takes on this ministry for the recognition and I don’t really think it should make a difference to the congregation who the EMHC’s are. Maybe asking Father to just put their names in the bulletin would suffice.

For the second, look at why they applauded. Was it because Father led them in applause or was it an isolated, spontaneous outpouring acknowledgement of the wondrous work God was doing through this priest and those who support him (sorry, I have a soft spot for missionary priests and sisters and laymen and laywomen…) If it something that happens all the time, it is appropriate to talk to Father.

For the third, I have never heard any announcement that required applause but again if it was spontaneous response to something great and a one-time only, it might be best to let it go.

For the last, since Mass is technically over, I don’t have a much of an issue as the first three. Maybe Father could do a quick education on this in the bulletin.
 
“Whenever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievment, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment.”
Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger
Pope Benedict XVI
Page 198 - The Spirit of the Liturgy
Br. Rich - I see the Holy Father says “…some human achievment…” I do not have the book you reference, so I was wondering if the passage means that applause is acceptable for a supernatural achievement like Baptism, Marriage, etc. I don’t think he means it that way, I am just curious. Thanks.
 
Never say never. 😛

There are a few, limited (as in you can count them on one hand and still have fingers left over) moments when applause (as a gesture in our society) can be warranted at Liturgy. One that comes to my mind is an applause showing acceptance of a newly baptized member.
No, there is no applause in the Rite of Baptism. The congregation might “sing a short acclamation” and there are 12 options for these in the Rite itself. Applause is not one of those options. See RCIA # 359.

The times that applause might occur in the Liturgy can indeed be counted on the fingers of one hand. In fact, only one finger is needed.

The only time applause can licitly occur within the Mass is at an ordination Mass when the congregation expresses it’s support (and historically, it’s approval) of the ordinand.
 
No, there is no applause in the Rite of Baptism. The congregation might “sing a short acclamation” and there are 12 options for these in the Rite itself. Applause is not one of those options. See RCIA # 359.

The times that applause might occur in the Liturgy can indeed be counted on the fingers of one hand. In fact, only one finger is needed.

The only time applause can licitly occur within the Mass is at an ordination Mass when the congregation expresses it’s support (and historically, it’s approval) of the ordinand.
While I agree with you that applause should not occur during Mass, I do have a question. At the Easter Vigil Mass, after several dozen new members of the Church had been baptized and received Confirmation, the bishop asked everyone to welcome all our new brothers and sisters into our Catholic family. How are we supposed to show that welcome other than with applause? Was the bishop wrong in asking us to do so? And how would in that instance be any different than the applause at ordinations where you state that the applause is to show the congregation’s approval and support?
 
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