Appreciation of Protestant Hymns

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In my own opinion there is nothing wrong for listening protestant songs and singing it because it is a praise for the Lord but it must be connected to the Catholic Doctrine and Teachings it must be like the teachings of our church.These songs can help you to stand and be strong with your faith so be it but please always trust and obey the church.If you love Christ there is nothing that can seperate you from him because He would always come to you just hold His hands.
 
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It’s interesting and I know that Bach and Buxtehude wrote “chorales” which were giant introductions to hymns, which were then sung by the congregation (without any “music leader” or “conductor”–the congregation just knew when to start singing!–amazing!).

Do you know if this hymn is in any of the current Catholic hymnals; it’s not in the current Gather hymnal (which isn’t surprising).

The Michael Schirmer hymn is in the Lutheran hymnal (1982 and 2006), but I couldn’t find it in any of my other hymnals (Methodist, Presbyterian, UCC, C and MA, Covenant, EFree)

Since it’s in the Lutheran hymnal, I suppose it could be called a “Protestant hymn,” which is what this thread is about–but since most of my Protestant hymnals are at least ten years old, it’s probably accurate to say that the hymn isn’t familiar to most Protestants (other than Missouri Synod Lutherans–most of the other Lutherans seem to be singing “contemporary” music or even “secular” music these days!).

And even though Bach and Buxtehude (and others) wrote the chorales for use in church, I honestly do not know how those hymns fit into the Latin Catholic Mass. Today’s Latin Mass doesn’t seem to include congregational hymns, other than perhaps a closing hymn, and the proponents of the Latin Mass insist that their mass is the “Mass of the Ages” that has changed very little over the centuries–so were hymns ever sung by the congregation in the Latin Mass?.

I have asked my organ teacher, who studied in Europe, and he says that the Catholic Mass used to have a lot more instrumental music and last a lot longer than today’s OF Mass or even today’s EF Mass. But he said the congregation didn’t sing–only the male choir sang.

So I don’t think ??? that congregational hymns were done in the Latin Catholic Mass until Vatican II??? But I don’t know for sure… I would like to know more about Catholic music history, so I should just try to borrow the music history book from one of our local Catholic schools and find out.

Or better yet–Catholic churches and dioceses should offer seminars and/or lectures on the History of Church Music. That would be fascinating! I know that the schools offer “Music History” classes, but I’m not sure how extensive these classes are, and whether all students are taught church music history, or just those who elect to take those classes.

I can certainly see why Martin’ Luther’s renegade Lutheran church became so popular–the singing! Trying to stop Germans from singing is like trying to stop birds from singing, and trying to stop them from singing Bach’s hymns is like choking those same birds!

And as long as I’m on a rant here–I would like to see church hymnals, including those in the Catholic churches, stop including so MANY hundreds of hymns, and instead, be smaller, including a smaller selection of hymns, and include histories of each hymn and any anecdotes about the hymns.

Thanks for the kick in the rear to get moving and learn more Catholic music history! I think I’ll make that my spring/summer goal!
 
You will hear that at US military chapels with word appropriate for each service.
As “Eternal Father Lord of Hosts” it is the Coast Guard Hymn. Each US service has their version I believe. We sign a version with a verse each about land sea and sky at our church.
 
I like the Italian music from the baroque period and I got really interested in their solo motets for a specific feast day which is for an Soprano or an Alto Soloist. Apparently they wrote a lot in that time period, but I’m having a hard time finding any. Too bad some of the composers like Galuppi fell into obscurity and their music is pretty unknown and the sheet music isn’t as available as others so its harder to access.
 
VanitasVanitatum, just wanted to let you know–I have contacted my alma mater (university) and have emailed three music history professors about doing some work with them to learn more about church music history.

I’ve been working on a book about church musical worship, and have come to realize (and this thread was an eye-opener!) that I really need to know more about music history in order to create a worthwhile book.

So again, thanks for the jump start! If my query doesn’t bring results, I’ll check out some other schools.
 
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You might want to also check out on the French grand motets. I really like De Lande’s Miserere for a single voice.
 
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O Love that will not let me go,
I rest my weary soul in thee;
I give thee back the life I owe,
That in thine ocean depths its flow
May richer, fuller be

O Joy that seekest me through pain,
I cannot close my heart to thee;
I trace the rainbow through the rain,
And feel the promise is not vain,
That morn shall tearless be

O Cross that liftest up my head,
I dare not ask to fly from thee;
I lay in dust lifes glory dead,
And from the ground there blossoms red
Life that shall endless be.

 
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We sang Amazing Grace at Mass last Sunday but with slightly modified lyrics to remove the Protestant beliefs.
 
I also like All Creatures of Our God and King. Non Catholic origins (Anglican?) but a majestic song and we do sing it at mass sometimes.
 
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I admire the fervor and devotion. The theology, not so much. Many Protestant songs have crept into the Catholic Church - never mind that they conflict with 2,000 years of Catholic teaching.
 
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