Appropriate Dress For Women

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It’s not necessary by any means to wear jewelry and makeup. Not wearing jewelry or makeup doesn’t mean a woman isn’t feminine. Last time I checked, more men wanted to see less makeup, if not none at all.
 
There is a young woman who attends daily Mass at my parish, whom I initially thought was Muslim because of the way she dresses. She’s Catholic, though. She is also the only person who kneels to receive Communion. (I receive on the tongue, but I don’t have enough nerve to kneel, at least not yet.)

I cover my head in church, outside of church I cover my head only if it’s cold, but because of my modest clothing I am often mistaken for an orthodox Jew or something else. I was mistaken for a Muslim once because it was winter and I had a scarf wrapped over my head to keep warm. 😛

I find it sad that no one ever asks me if I’m a Catholic because of the way I dress. Isn’t it too bad that Catholics don’t have any reputation for modesty like Islam and orthodox Judaism do - in fact, the opposite?

I have to admit I find the clothes that women of those faiths wear to be very appealing, because to me it just says, “I belong to God.” Why don’t we (with the exception of consecrated religious) have that?
 
spunjalebi said:
It’s not necessary by any means to wear jewelry and makeup. Not wearing jewelry or makeup doesn’t mean a woman isn’t feminine. Last time I checked, more men wanted to see less makeup, if not none at all.
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Due to a lack of generally accepted social standards, especially over the last 20 years, I think it is better to follow something the Church has established. The radical feminists did their best to make at least some women believe that acting like and looking like men was preferred.

There should be no problem with adding jewelry and makeup, but not to excess. The standard should come from the Church and not most men. I’d rather be identified as a Catholic man by Church standards as opposed to what a small group of so-called fashion designers tell me.

Here’s an example. I watched on TV as so-called fashion experts explained that men were wearing their hair at just above the collar length. It was explained that ‘more confident’ men wanted to wear their hair longer. More confident? According to who? My baloney meter immediately went off and I realized that they were dictating to men about how they thought they should wear their hair. I am against current fashion trends and so-called hair styles.

Peace,
Ed
 
Yes well, that is their opinion and with many things, we should take with a grain of salt.
 
=edwest2;7267152]The extremism people reference comes from the outside world and is definitely not promoted by the Church.
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In the 1980s, I dated a young lady who often wore knee-length skirts, high heels and simple, conservative blouses. She walked like she had a book on her head, was poised and polite. At this point in time, this was lady-like. Women knew how to “carry” themselves. It was all quite natural and did not come across as artificial.
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Today, women have a wide range of dressing styles, some of it regional, that sends different signals to men. The everything hanging out look is most annoying. Those low cut jeans do no favors for full figured women.
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Ooooh, that muffin-top look is one of my pet peaves.
 
edwest2 said:
Due to a lack of generally accepted social standards, especially over the last 20 years, I think it is better to follow something the Church has established. The radical feminists did their best to make at least some women believe that acting like and looking like men was preferred.

There should be no problem with adding jewelry and makeup, but not to excess. The standard should come from the Church and not most men. I’d rather be identified as a Catholic man by Church standards as opposed to what a small group of so-called fashion designers tell me.

Here’s an example. I watched on TV as so-called fashion experts explained that men were wearing their hair at just above the collar length. It was explained that ‘more confident’ men wanted to wear their hair longer. More confident? According to who? My baloney meter immediately went off and I realized that they were dictating to men about how they thought they should wear their hair. I am against current fashion trends and so-called hair styles.

As always, I like to blame TV for all of this. That’s where America’s “standards” come from. My baloney meter shorted out long ago, and I don’t watch TV much at all any more.

When I started attending the traditional Latin mass, I was happy to see kids without sneakers, girls in pretty dresses and boys with ties. Hadn’t seen that in a long time.
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PetersKeys said:
Women SHOULD wear veil when approaching the Eucharist, and preferable during the whole mass. Long skirts, and also clothing that does not show cleavage or open to the upper arms. Pants are originally a mans clothing. Plus many women today wear pants that hug their butts and exenttuate their curves, which is wrong since it gives occasion to sin.

It was written into the 1917 Code of Canon Law, Canon 1262, that :

*"women must cover their heads – “especially when they approach the holy table” (“mulieres autem, capite cooperto et modeste vestitae, maxime cum ad mensam Dominicam accedunt”)
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After so many years of many women forgetting or positively repudiating the veil, clerics, not wanting to be confrontational or upset radical loudmouthed feminists and “progressive” argumentative women, pretended the issue didn’t exist. When the 1983 Code of Canon Law was produced, veiling was simply not mentioned (not abrogated, mind you, but simply not mentioned). However, Canons 20-21 of the 1983 Code of Canon Law make clear that later Canon Law abrogates earlier Canon Law only when this is made explicit and that, in cases of doubt, the revocation of earlier law is not to be presumed

Women should show their understanding and acceptance of the place God has given them in Creation by dressing and acting like women, not like men. For example, women should dress in a feminine manner, wearing skirts and dresses instead of pants, wearing some jewelry and make up (though not to excess), and grooming their hair in a feminine manner. Such external signs make a statement about the internal beliefs and attitude of the woman. The Virgin Mary would never dress or act like a man, less alone wear pants or short skirts/shorts. Women should wear a headcovering or veil when they are at Mass or at prayer. Such veils need not cover the face. The veil or headcovering is a symbol of the woman’s acceptance of her role in society, the family, and the Church, in accordance with God’s will. It is an imitation of the Virgin Mary, who wore such a headcovering.
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First of all, let me educate you that pants are not “originally a man’s clothing”. While men in EUROPE wore them before European women did, in other countries around the world, both men and women wore pants…long before the “gentlemen” of Europe started to wear them. These are things I have stated before on similar posts. Also, if we are to start using examples of what Our Blessed Mother and Our Lord Jesus wore, then men shouldn’t be wearing pants, either. In Biblical times, in Biblical lands, men wore tunics and robes, not pants. Therefore, if you insist that women should wear skirts, just because they wore them in Biblical times, in Biblical lands, I’m sure you will have no problem getting rid of your trousers, pants, slacks, etc and replacing them with robes and tunics…
 
In doing a little research on the mantilla, I’ve run across a vignette in which Annibale Bugnini is asked about the veil, and when his comment that the matter isn’t on the council’s agenda is misconstrued, the resulting newspaper reports prompt the veil to be abandoned. We find it in an article called “The Veil” by Jacki Freppon, and it’s reproduced in various parts of the web, including this one: see post #5 of this thread, and google for a handful of identical quotes.

Here’s the problem. We find it only in Freppon’s article. Perhaps my search-fu is failing me, and it’s certainly possible that the anecdote is buried in a book; at first blush, however, there appears to be no other source containing the anecdote, much less a reliable source. Every single google hit for the story and parts of it seems to be a reprint of Freppon’s article.

What’s more, just as the vignette doesn’t seem to exist apart from Freppon, so Freppon doesn’t seem to exist apart from the vignette. So far as I can find, the only hits she has on any search engine is qua author of “The Veil.” This is all the more surprising since “The Veil” is described as being “[d]erived from a book in progress called: ‘The Unveiled Woman.’” Eight years later (to go by the 2002 copyright on “The Veil”), there remains neither sign of the book nor trace of Freppon.

Freppon and her book, then, seem to be fictitious, but that doesn’t end matters; pseudonymous writing is common, and abandoned books ten-a-penny. My question is the reliability of the anecdote about Bugnini and the mantilla. Does anyone have a reliable source for it? Alternatively, can anyone offer any resources explaining what really happened between the council and the 1983 code?
 
Lamafacaja said:
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The hat and gloves of old were very cool, though. It would look better with the hat and gloves. A little sweater, too.
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Quit posting pictures of me without my permission;);)😉

Seriously, a hat would look charming, gloves are a little much (unless that is the cultural custom where you live)…give or take on a sweater; unless it was chilly.

This is a beautiful dress for Mass or an appropriate social function.
 
ThereseOfRoses said:
Quit posting pictures of me without my permission;);)😉

Seriously, a hat would look charming, gloves are a little much (unless that is the cultural custom where you live)…give or take on a sweater; unless it was chilly.

This is a beautiful dress for Mass or an appropriate social function.
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Well, yeah no one wear gloves anymore. 🙂

I just think it’s too bad. My mother and her sisters used to put on nice skirts and blouses, hats, pearls, pumps and gloves just to get on the NYC subway system. Alas, we live in a much less elegant world now.

Edited to add: Hannah Lise makes some very elegant skirt which is far more flattering on than it is in the pictures on the website.
 
Lamafacaja said:
Well, yeah no one wear gloves anymore. 🙂

I just think it’s too bad. My mother and her sisters used to put on nice skirts and blouses, hats, pearls, pumps and gloves just to get on the NYC subway system. Alas, we live in a much less elegant world now.

Edited to add: Hannah Lise makes some very elegant skirt which is far more flattering on than it is in the pictures on the website.
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🙂

Here’s my favorite source for skirts: softsurroundings.com/Clothing/Skirts/

They also have an outlet site for reduced prices. Most of the skirts have an “ethnic” look and feel to them and that really “jazzes” up a long skirt and gets rid of the “frumpy, dowdy” image of a long skirt.
 
ThereseOfRoses said:
🙂

Here’s my favorite source for skirts: softsurroundings.com/Clothing/Skirts/

They also have an outlet site for reduced prices. Most of the skirts have an “ethnic” look and feel to them and that really “jazzes” up a long skirt and gets rid of the “frumpy, dowdy” image of a long skirt.
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Yikes! And the prices would be why I make my own!!! lol

My very favorite I can’t find a picture of online but it’s black eyelet in a a-line skirt with an extra slightly layered ruffle on the bottom. Hits far enough below the knee to still cover them when sitting - my absolute favorite - bar none!

I couldn’t agree more on formality of dress and how it has slipped away. I’m on a personal crusade here in my area to restore it (if that’s even possible). It’s ridiculous to me that I have to maintain 2 completely different wardrobes - one for when I visit family in the city where more formality is expected and one for here where if you don’t wear jeans, you must be going “to the city” today.

I, too, miss the era of gloves and hats, matching purses and shoes. There was an elegance there that I truly think we should try to strive for in our own way in today’s society. I often joke that I might LOOK like a mom from the 1950’s, but I FEEL like a lady. What the rest of them think is none of my business.
 
I found this on Fisheaters:
When the 1983 Code of Canon Law was produced, veiling was simply not mentioned (not abrogated, mind you, but simply not mentioned). However, Canons 20-21 of the 1983 Code of Canon Law make clear that later Canon Law abrogates earlier Canon Law only when this is made explicit and that, in cases of doubt, the revocation of earlier law is not to be presumed; quite the opposite:
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Canon 20 A later law abrogates or derogates from an earlier law, if it expressly so states, or if it is directly contrary to that law, or if it integrally reorders the whole subject matter of the earlier law. A universal law, however, does not derogate from a particular or from a special law, unless the law expressly provides otherwise.
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Canon 21 In doubt, the revocation of a previous law is not presumed; rather, later laws are to be related to earlier ones and, as far as possible, harmonized with them.
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You can read the whole article here:

fisheaters.com/theveil.html
 
ThereseOfRoses said:
🙂

Here’s my favorite source for skirts: softsurroundings.com/Clothing/Skirts/

They also have an outlet site for reduced prices. Most of the skirts have an “ethnic” look and feel to them and that really “jazzes” up a long skirt and gets rid of the “frumpy, dowdy” image of a long skirt.
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Really nice, thanks. 🙂 I will have to keep an eye out for their sales. I used to like talbots, but everything they sell’s getting so tight looking and skimpy now.

Whoa, check it out… softsurroundings.com/P/Stretch_Velvet_Duster/ 👍
 
edwest2 said:
Works for me.

Peace,
Ed
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I wonder if they have your size Ed? LOL, 😃 Coldwater Creek and J Jill have nice modest outfits and if you want to go “preppie” then Llbean and Lands End are very affordable.
 
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