Arapahoe HS Shooting

[livingwordunity]

Are you discounting Columbine as well since pipe bombs were involved? The shootings are sourced with news articles on Wikipedia.

Columbine wasn’t known for having pipe bombs, it was known for being a random shooting spree. The example you gave wasn’t about a random shooting spree happening in a school. It was about a bombing. The political debate going on is about gun control laws, not whether or not the bomb ownership laws are strict enough. And Wikipedia is not a credible source. If that’s the only place you can find your stats then that says something about your stats.

 

[tabycat]

Granted, my info is from Wikipedia but in the 2010s there have been as many as 46 shootings, in the 2000s 40, in 1990s 34, 1980 24, 1970s 21, 1960s 16, 1950s-21, 1940s-13, 1930s - 12, 1920s - 4. The list goes on. The history of school shootings goes as far back as the history of schools. It seems, though, in recent years the numbers have been increasing, although stuff like this has been known to happen in the past.

There were also fewer people in the 1920’s to the 1960’s and a lower percert of children and teenagers were in school. npatrol:

 

[Vim71]

Columbine wasn’t known for having pipe bombs, it was known for being a random shooting spree.

Yes it was. Dylan also had a bomb in his car that never went off, and both he and Eric Harris also used a Propane Bomb that failed to detonate. Also the shooting was far from a random shooting spree. :ehh:

Either way, my point is, EmperorNapoleon was right, a quick glance at that article those were all school shootings.

There were 21 school shootings in the 1970s and 24 in the 1980s. Maybe you just didn’t notice.

There was also 40 in 00’s, and so far in less than half a decade, there’s been 50! At a quick glance, there has been more than 20 the last year (correct me if I’m wrong). That means on average, there’s one almost ever 2 weeks in the US.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

And Wikipedia is not a credible source. If that’s the only place you can find your stats then that says something about your stats.

I chose Wikipedia because all of the events are listed AND SOURCED in one place. Both valid and credible.

 

[livingwordunity]

I chose Wikipedia because all of the events are listed AND SOURCED in one place. Both valid and credible.

Ok, I’ll assume that your list is valid. But how many of those in that list got their guns legally? This is a relevant question to ask since stricter gun laws only prevent gun crimes of the people who acquire their guns legally before deciding to commit a crime with it. And there are a lot of people who acquire a gun legally but who never commit a crime with it. Can you explain why urban cities like Chicago and Washington D.C. typically have the highest gun crime rates despite having some of the strictest gun control laws in the country?

 

[epan]

Well here we go again. Another shooting at a High School. Details are still coming in, but it seems there is one student injured and the shooter.

This is getting so old. And people wonder why some of us are in favor of stronger gun control laws. I don’t have a problem with people owning guns as long as they are responsible. However, I see no reason for anyone to own these semi-automatic guns.

How have we come to the point were the only thing people can figure out to do when there is something wrong, is to shoot others and take it out on innocent people?

Let us pray for all of the families and the injured that God brings them Peace and healing that only He can bring.

In this case, it was a shotgun and not a semi-automatic weapon.

Where did this kid get the gun? Apparently he used to go shooting with his mom. How about locking guns up where kids can’t get to them unless supervised?

What is going on in Colorado, anyway?

Texas probably has the most liberal gun laws, and the most guns per capita. Yet, you don’t have these events occurring there.

 

[Geist]

Well here we go again. Another shooting at a High School. Details are still coming in, but it seems there is one student injured and the shooter.

This is getting so old. And people wonder why some of us are in favor of stronger gun control laws.

But but but but but CO passed “sensible gun control” after Sandy Hook so it will never happen again. When laws are passed the problem goes away forever.

So how did this happen?

Either the story is a lie or gun control doesn’t work.

I don’t have a problem with people owning guns as long as they are responsible.

I am so grateful you “don’t have a problem with people owning guns”, how magnanimous of you.

However, I see no reason for anyone to own these semi-automatic guns.

Gun grabbers…will never get it.

 

[Cricket2]

But but but but but CO passed “sensible gun control” after Sandy Hook so it will never happen again. When laws are passed the problem goes away forever.

So how did this happen?

Either the story is a lie or gun control doesn’t work.

I am so grateful you “don’t have a problem with people owning guns”, how magnanimous of you.

Gun grabbers…will never get it.

No need for smarty pants replies. People have the right to own guns and I support that right, however, we have let things get out of control. People are getting their hands on guns that I believe belong only in the hands of the military or police. And anyone wanting to buy a gun should have a background check and be required to wait at least 30 days to buy it if they want.

Granted the criminal element will always have access to guns, and avoid being checked out. But maybe if we got a little meaner with them and locked them up for good it help slow things down. I have known too many innocent victims who have died at the hands of idiots to not support tougher gun laws and stricter access to them.

Now we seem to have a nation of ill equipped youth who think the answer to everything is shooting someone. From what the news reports today this shooting may have been some sort of revenge over a debate with the intended target (teacher). Talk about stupid.

 

[Cricket2]

In this case, it was a shotgun and not a semi-automatic weapon.

Where did this kid get the gun? Apparently he used to go shooting with his mom. How about locking guns up where kids can’t get to them unless supervised?

What is going on in Colorado, anyway?

Texas probably has the most liberal gun laws, and the most guns per capita. Yet, you don’t have these events occurring there.

Yes it was a shotgun. My mention of semi-automatics was a general reference to the types of guns I don’t see the need for people to have. Colorado is not the only state with the problem.

I think that minors should not have access to guns unless supervised by an adult. There is however, a deeper problem running through all of this, guns or not. What is wrong with kids to day that violence seems to be the answer to all their problems and disagreements. Where is the self-discipline or realization that not everyone will agree with you and that’s OK?

I have witnessed too many children being allowed to be rude, disrespectful of other people and their property, mouthy, lacking self control and being given into for everything they want. Lord, teachers can’t even tell a child he/she is incorrect anymore, or that they need to sit still in a class room. Then we have what I think is the over diagnosis of Attention Deficit Disorder.

As soon as a kid gets restless someone is ready to diagnose and pop a pill down their throat. Sure some kids have this problem, but I think a lot have a problem with too much TV, too many video games and not enough attention from mom and dad teaching them patience, how to wait and pay attention. I have to wonder what was going on in the shooters life to make him so miserable as to try to kill others and then himself.

 

[Crossbones]

Gun grabbers…will never get it.

Maybe gun owners should take on the full costs of their rights instead of confiscating my property. For example, more secure doors on schools, special entry systems, armed security forces, etc. I’m not sure why I have to forfeit the right to my property for another’s right to own a weapon.

REASON FOR EDIT: Used ‘rites’ instead of ‘rights’.

 

[Crossbones]

As soon as a kid gets restless someone is ready to diagnose and pop a pill down their throat. Sure some kids have this problem, but I think a lot have a problem with too much TV, too many video games and not enough attention from mom and dad teaching them patience, how to wait and pay attention. I have to wonder what was going on in the shooters life to make him so miserable as to try to kill others and then himself.

What’s your educational background to draw such a conclusion?

 

[_Abyssinia]

Colorado teenage gunman had ‘very strong beliefs about gun laws’ and Republicans

nydailynews.com/news/national/teenage-gunman-strong-beliefs-gun-laws-article-1.1547638

 

[livingwordunity]

So the shooter was a liberal Democrat. The media will probably brush that little detail under the carpet and stop reporting on this pretty soon just as they did with the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords when they found out that the shooter was a liberal. This inconvenient truth doesn’t fit with their agenda.

On his Facebook page, Pierson seemed to make fun of Republicans, writing “you republicans are so cute” and posting an image that read: “The Republican Party: Health Care: Let 'em Die, Climate Change: Let 'em Die, Gun Violence: Let 'em Die, Women’s Rights: Let 'em Die, More War: Let 'em Die. Is this really the side you want to be on?”

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But, let us pray, asking the saints in heaven for their intercession for the victim Claire Davis and for the soul of the shooter Karl Pierson.

 

[Coatimundi]

So the shooter was a liberal Democrat.

Perhaps, but that claim requires some reading between the lines which may or may not be accurate. I expect we will learn much more about the shooter during the coming week.

Certainly there is a tragic irony in the Facebook message which was quoted. He condemned Republicans for being indifferent to human life and welfare, yet he took up arms to attack defenseless students (in a quest to attack an equally defenseless teacher.)

Learning more about what set him off will be interesting to learn. Even better will be if we can learn how to detect and prevent future scenarios before they turn violent.

 

[livingwordunity]

Perhaps, but that claim requires some reading between the lines which may or may not be accurate.

What the shooter said are the talking points of the Democrat party. Do you also believe that it’s unclear which political party MSNBC supports?

 

[Cricket2]

When I grew up in the 1960’s, guns were much easier to obtain, but “school shootings” were unheard of. Our problem is not guns, it’s an increase in people with violent tendencies, and sociopaths.

Semi-automatic is not fully automatic (“machine guns”).
The weapon in this Arapahoe case was neither - it was a shotgun…

I agree, the problem is an increase in people’s violent tendencies and sociopaths.

 

[Geist]

No need for smarty pants replies. People have the right to own guns and I support that right, however, we have let things get out of control. People are getting their hands on guns that I believe belong only in the hands of the military or police.

You support a police state; got it.

And anyone wanting to buy a gun should have a background check and be required to wait at least 30 days to buy it if they want.

You mean the checks people like the Aurora CO shooter passed just fine?

Granted the criminal element will always have access to guns, and avoid being checked out. But maybe if we got a little meaner with them and locked them up for good it help slow things down. I have known too many innocent victims who have died at the hands of idiots to not support tougher gun laws and stricter access to them.

Your logic is why the 'war on drugs" is going so well.

Now we seem to have a nation of ill equipped youth who think the answer to everything is shooting someone. From what the news reports today this shooting may have been some sort of revenge over a debate with the intended target (teacher). Talk about stupid.

Can’t be because it’s a guaranteed 15 minutes of fame could it?

 

[Geist]

Maybe gun owners should take on the full costs of their rights instead of confiscating my property. For example, more secure doors on schools, special entry systems, armed security forces, etc. I’m not sure why I have to forfeit the right to my property for another’s right to own a weapon.

REASON FOR EDIT: Used ‘rites’ instead of ‘rights’.

Not sure how locked doors on a school interfere with “your” rights when you do not own the school?

Incidentally my right to own a weapon is codified into our law.

In any event I’ll take the risks inherent with freedom over the** illusion ** of safety promised by totalitarianism any day.

 

[Cricket2]

Why did you post something about a bombing when the subject is random shooting sprees in schools? Also, what is your source? For it to be credible, it can’t be Wikipedia or anything that is strongly biased.

You know some people have knowledge from what they have read in the past, discussion through their jobs or current learning. They may not have exact citations. I think your a little fixated on people providing links and proof. Now if we were writing a paper for a grade then that would be fine. But most of us are simply sharing knowledge we have from a life time of working, study and simple learning. If I have a reference I’ll use it. If not I won’t. But be assured I will not state something that I believe to be false or for which I can’t find the proof.

This is not a high school class were we need graded or reprimanded for failing to have a citation.

 

[Geist]

So the shooter was a liberal Democrat.

Liberalism is a mental illness. this is why most spree shooters (Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Navy Yard, etc.) are…liberals.

Save lives.

Ban Democrats.