Archbishop Chaput responds to Pelosi-Pope meeting

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Having experienced similar losses, but also Christ’s charity, you will be prayed for on your journey.
 
sisterpatril said:
Come on, Gerry, don’t back down now!

You are right on, and you are saying it so graciously. 🙂

It’s time the Catholic Church sets straight the Pelosis/Bidens/Kennedys of the world. St. Paul would not have be afraid to do so…and he wouldn’t have given a second thought to those who would have called him judgmental.

Judgmental is the most overused word in society today…oh, wait…maybe it’s tied with intolerance.
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I didn’t mean to give the impression of backing down. Sorry if I did. What I was alluding to was a weakness that manifests itself by thinking in temporal terms about eternal issues. It took decades and decades to deal with Arianism, but dealt with it was, and the Church was stronger for moving in the deliberate manner she did.

I agree with the “setting straight” part, for sure. I’ll thank you now for calling me gracious, so that I can point to greater graciousness - that of the Holy Father. He acted as a caring pastor to Nancy, and any plans she might have had to aggrandize herself ended up making her look like a small tail that had miserably failed to wag a big dog - a kindly German Shepherd.

Judgment’s tricky. It is pronouncing someones eternal destiny. It’s not saying they are placing their souls in danger, or bearing bad (or no) fruit. The Holy Father showed no hint of judgmentalism, but he certainly did his duty, and did the Church proud.

Tolerance is, of course, a joke in the hands of liberals and revisionists. It does not mean accepting anything – it cannot. Tolerance means limits within which one place is as acceptable as another. Take away the limits, and you destroy the notion of tolerance.

I see MomaZona is no longer with us. It is sad that she came to the place where she is. I wouldn’t know what to do for her. On the showing of her posts to the forum, she sought a social service organization with a spiritual ambiance, where one could believe what one wanted, and became angry when the Church did not (because she could not) provide one. Rather sad, at the end of the day.

People who think everything is political like to make political analyses of the actions and happenings in the Church, and offer dire predictions about her future. Well, I’ve got a prediction: She will be here. Big? Small? Rich? Poor? Popular? Despised? Haven’t a clue. But Faithful? FOR SURE!

Blessings,

Gerry
 
piperspop said:
I thought the church was about TRUTH, not attendance, donations, etc. The way, the truth and the life, and let the chips fall where they may.
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Who said it wasn’t? After all, people started leaving the Head of the Church from the moment he told them they would have to eat his flesh and drink his blood.
piperspop said:
They have a great shell game going though, every bishop but Pelosi’s bishop condemns her acts, but it doesn’t count, because only HER bishop can actually forbid her from receiving the sacraments! A little three card monte!
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This is either a gross misunderstanding or vicious sniping.

Every Bishop of the Church shares in, and has a responsibility for, the teaching office of the Church. Their pronouncements certainly do count. Her disposition to receive the Sacraments is in the purview of her Bishop, yes. This has nothing at all to do with countering her falsehoods, and warning the Faithful about emulating her errors.
piperspop said:
People outside the church are concerned that if they become Roman Catholic they would have to obey the Pope, to which I say,“Why, nobody in the Catholic church does!”
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This is definitely vicious sniping. There are over a billion Catholics in the world, most of whom, particularly outside North America and Europe (where a certain arrogance seems to be in evidence among a self-aggrandizing effete minority), seek to obey the Pope, since he is the Chief Teacher in the Church and they strive to follow her teachings. That they fail from time to time is merely proof that the Church is for, and made up of, sinners who are imperfect.

Pray do not inflict Anglican Mathematics on us. It was the sociologist Peter Berger who observed, “Puerto Ricans, Jews, and Episcopalians each form around 2 percent of the American population. Guess which group does not think of itself as a minority?" That kind of math may justify saying “nobody”, but it still wouldn’t make it factual, truthful, or appropriate.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
I see MomaZona is no longer with us.
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Wow, the shrinking of the thread in the last few minutes seems to have made me an instant master of understatement 😃 . Again, sad it had to come to this, for her more than anybody else.

Gerry
 
bellringer06 said:
Yay for Archbishop Chaput!
It can be difficult to become public on such issues, but I am glad he had the courage to say something.

I am from the Archdiocese of Kansas City, KS, and we’ve got a similar situation going on in a smaller way. Our governor claims to be Catholic, but many of her political views do not see eye-to-eye with Catholic teaching. Archbishop Naumann has spoken many times about her political stance, and lets her know that he will not stop proclaiming the Church’s teachings because she is in his archdiocese and he is therefore somewhat responsible for her soul.
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Archbishop Namann refuses her the gift of the Holy Eucharist, does he not?
 
I appreciate Archbishop Chaput SO much! I pray for him because
I know he is attacked for his truthful pronouncements.
I also pray for Pelosi’s, Kennedy’s, and all prominent wayward
Catholic’s conversions. I’ll always remember hearing that Pelosi
or her daughter (equally pro-choice) told (Pelosi’s granddaughter)
that she was being taught wrong. The little girl’s first communion
preparation had told her that she was “receiving the body and
blood of Christ” and when the little girl said this to her mother/
grandmother, she was told that that wasn’t true.:eek:
 
Originally Posted by Gerry Hunter View Post
…Remember the woman caught in adultery? Jesus told her to leave; that he did not condemn her…
He also told her to sin no more.
 
Cluny said:
Originally Posted by Gerry Hunter View Post
…Remember the woman caught in adultery? Jesus told her to leave; that he did not condemn her…
He also told her to sin no more.
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Yes, indeed he did. I referenced the passage to make a point about forgiveness, which is why I continued to point out he did not offer unsought-for forgiveness. I did not make that point in an effort to downplay any of the other point to be taken from that encounter recorded in St. John’s Gospel.

But of course, that direction of the Lord is certainly pertinent to the issue as a whole, and well worth noting.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
TexCatholic4JMJ said:
I appreciate Archbishop Chaput SO much! I pray for him because
I know he is attacked for his truthful pronouncements.
I also pray for Pelosi’s, Kennedy’s, and all prominent wayward
Catholic’s conversions. I’ll always remember hearing that Pelosi
or her daughter (equally pro-choice) told (Pelosi’s granddaughter)
that she was being taught wrong. The little girl’s first communion
preparation had told her that she was “receiving the body and
blood of Christ” and when the little girl said this to her mother/
grandmother, she was told that that wasn’t true.:eek:
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That is so awfully sad! And I would imagine that Pelosi’s daughter (and possibly even Pelosi) truly believe that. No wonder! We really need to pray for them!!! What they are advocating (abortion) is fully against the 5th Commandment and they don’t have the grace to see that. Really sad (for them and for the families of those children - I trust God for the children, themselves)!

I hope and pray that great clerics like the Pope and Archbishop Chaput can (with God’s help) break through their hardened hearts.
 
I think it happen a wee bit different from what I have read. Nancy P said she told her granddaughter the Eucharist represented Christ, and the child shot back no it is Christ Grandma

Just shows how well Nancy P knows her faith…and a child shall lead them
 
redrosetea said:
I think it happen a wee bit different from what I have read. Nancy P said she told her granddaughter the Eucharist represented Christ, and the child shot back no it is Christ Grandma

Just shows how well Nancy P knows her faith…and a child shall lead them
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Really? Where’s the article? That’s interesting, her granddaughter should run for office. She’s a smart kid, haha.
 
I don’t know where the article is. I read it weeks ago…Pelosi was bragging about her granddaughter making her first communion

You can google it
 
The issue of abortion is not the only significant issue Pelosi is in disagreement with her church on. In a book edited by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s daughter Kerry Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi contributes an essay in which she announces:
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My granddaughter was getting ready for her First Communion. Around the time of the swearing-in, we were all just lying on the bed, after the tea or something, and she said to her mother, “I want to explain to Mimi” — that’s me — “that it is the body and blood of Christ. When we go to church, it is the body and blood of Christ.” So her mother, in the interest of trying to simplify, said “Yes, the host and the wine represent the body and blood of Christ.” And my granddaughter said, “Not represent. Is, it is the body and blood of Christ.” My granddaughter was buying into it, okay. But it is hard. Every Sunday for me it’s hard. Christ had died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again. Now think of it, we say that every week. Do I really believe he’s coming again? Yes, I believe he’s coming again. Christ died, Christ is risen, Chirst will come again. This is my body, this is my blood. They’re asking a lot. In my era, we didn’t question any of it.
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If you believe Christ is coming again and died for our sins to give us eternal life, “they’re” not asking all that much.
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redrosetea said:
I don’t know where the article is. I read it weeks ago…Pelosi was bragging about her granddaughter making her first communion

You can google it
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The quote is from an essay Pelosi wrote in a book:

Being Catholic Now: Prominent Americans Talk About Change in the Church and the Quest for Meaning, edited by Kerry Kennedy

The passage is cited in an article here:

theanchoressonline.com/2008/08/27/pelosi-to-bishops-drill-your-brains/

which includes an excellent quote by Catholic author Flannery O’Connor that nicely presents perhaps the finest response to the “symbol” or “represents” nonsense a Catholic could give:

“Well, if it’s only a symbol, to hell with it.”

Now THERE was one eloquent lady! Eat your heart out, Nancy. Better yet, read Flannery’s letters in “The Habit of Being.”

Blessings,

Gerry
 
Indeed it only shows that there is a great need for continuing education in our Faith.

You don’t have to have or perform an abortion or pull the plug in the execution chamber to have the same culpability, or conduct medical research using stem cells from an aborted chld.

Supporting organizations, advocating support, supporting political or social candidates who advocate, VOTING, etc…See 1868 & 1869 in the Catechism.

How can 60% of so-called Catholics vote for Mr. Obama? Didn’t anybody think that by doing so, they entered into Mortal Sin? Doesn’t that mean that Mortal sins were committed by 60%of Catholics on election day? What a victory for SIN! 60% of Catholics should not receive the Sacrament of the Eucharist unless and until they make a true act of contrition in the Sacrament of Confession? And yet, in my own Church I see the people who applauded the eleciton of Obama/Biden not only receive Communion, but serve as Eucharistic Ministers! Knowing this tears my heart in pieces. We all knew that Planned Parenthood was one of Obama’s greatest supporters and he promised to act immediately to allow our tax $ to pay for international abortion and that FOCA would be his first priority.

No week goes by that I don’t hear on the news that 60% of Catholics defied the Pope on election day. It’s a huge movement to undermine the Pope’s authority.

Oh, I do go on. I’ll pray that they all get knocked off their (high) horses on the way to Damascus or Camp David or Capitol Hill!

Love & prayers,
Kak
 
thekaki said:
How can 60% of so-called Catholics vote for Mr. Obama? Didn’t anybody think that by doing so, they entered into Mortal Sin? Doesn’t that mean that Mortal sins were committed by 60%of Catholics on election day?
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This is a lie that the media loves to tell. But it is a lie and I am sooo tired of hearing it. If the Catholic vote were broken down into the following categories you get a completely different result:
  1. Catholic but never attends Church
  2. Catholic attends Church at Christmas and Easter
  3. Catholic attends Church at least weekly
  4. Catholic attends Church more often than weekly
If you subtract the first category the percentage of Catholics voting for Obama drops radically. Now I don’t consider that category to even be Catholic. If you only count the practicing Catholics (3 and 4) you will find that less than 15% of Catholics voted for Obama. Granted that is 15% too many, but it is not the 60% that the media uses to slab the Church in the face everyday.
 
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