I’m quite sorry and perplexed that you interpreted my comments as being either presumptuous or smug, because I did not intend them to be either. I made no comments on the validity of either Mass, and nor did I presume anything about people “going to various parishes.” I’m not ever sure how you were able to extrapolate that idea from what I wrote, as I was simply asking what the experience is of those people reading who do indeed attend NO Masses. Nowhere in anything that I wrote did I suggest–or as you claim, “presume”–that people would be more or less likely to “go to various parishes” or anything along those lines. I was simply asking a question as to the observations of other’s concerning what is happening at NO Masses regarding standing during the consecration and people saying “God” instead of “He.” What’s wrong with asking that? Having seen this only recently, I
admittedly do not have the knowledge to determine its frequency or commonality, hence, I
defer to the experience of others on this board, which I requested through the addition of their comments.
Furthermore, because a Mass is valid does not mean that abuses cannot occur: there are plenty of ways abuses can happen in either form of the Mass. This is what I am asking about, but apparently you are not getting my message, which is quite alright. But please don’t accuse me of being “smug” and presumptuous, because either is unwarranted.
Finally, as for my first comment which you quoted, I did not mention anything about sex or gender, I simply stated Catholic dogma that God is the Holy Trinity, and that the proper English pronoun for “Father” or “Son” is “He,” not “She” and not “It.” I highly doubt that you make the Sign of the Cross as “In the name of Mother and of the Son…”, or that your priest opens the Mass with such a phrase. It is a matter of fact that Baptisms are only valid when done in a certain form, and that form in “Father” and “Son” (and Holy Ghost), not “Mother” and “Son.” So, you obviously must agree with this simple observation on consistency. Obviously, God is beyond the categorizations of His creatures, because He is the Creator. But we are the Creatures, and God Himself told us to call Him “Father,” so in obedience, we shall. Furthermore worth nothing, we Catholics use the title “Mother” generally to refer to our Lady (“Mother of God”), or the Church (“Holy Mother Church”). It is not only a matter of “convention,” as you say, but a matter of Tradition (particularly as I mentioned in regard to the form of Sacraments).
You must have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed or something today, because you’ve misinterpreted each of the quotes of mine to which you’ve replied. Either that, or I was unclear. But that’s okay either way, as I probably should have started another thread on the topic and perhaps I will now.
