Archbishop: Obama Needs To Stop 'Intruding Into Internal Life Of Church'

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This is one of the reasons I do not buy the argument that this is not a direct attack on the Catholic Church.
Not only Catholics, but other Christians too. Why do Amish get a religious exemption? Why one rule for one group of people and another rule for the rest? I think the fact that the Amish get a full religious exemption and others who want it do not is not going to look good when the HHS mandate goes to court.
 
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The Church is a much bigger obstacle to Obama’s ideology than an un-united group of Amish.

I think Obama knew that the Church would object vocally. Archbishop Dolan made his point abundantly clear to Obama. Obama is letting the media and the left-wing comedians do his dirty work for him, letting them paint the bishops as a bunch of archaic men with pointy hats.

I pray those sleeping Catholics, including CHA, wake up and realize they are being used.
Absolutely agree that the Church is a bigger obstacle. The point is that the Amish have won many cases about their ability NOT to be subject to various laws (kids going to school etc). So with that precedent, the Obama-sites may have thought easier to just give this relatively small and unaffiliated group a pass so any court challenges could not be easily dispensed with.

You know one thing about Obama is that he is totally amazed that anyone (Iran,Palestinian terrorists, people of faith) would NOT be swayed by his “wonderful” rhetoric. He spoke of being able to talk the Mullahs out of going nuclear. I mean if his magical powers are that great, what are a few Bishops to resist? I also believe this wasn’t carefully thought through. When questiioned about the Mandate and accommodation (yeah right) they admitted they hadn’t even CONSIDERED how they would deal with an oganization that was self insured. Hello??? They are of the group “often wrong but NEVER in doubt!”

I too hope that the sleeping giant, having been awakened, will stay awake as this issue wends its way through the courts and Congress. Obama is hoping it goes away and has said as much. He, like Pontius Pilate, has washed his hands of the whole thing. As you said sending out his minions and waterboys to take the heat.

Also wish those renegade Sisters would get back in line with the Church. Sister Carol has been SO incredibly meddlesome!

Lisa
 
I don’t buy that this is anti-Catholcism in the usual sense of the term. The administration is just charging ahead with its own agenda and crushing anyone who stands in their way. It just happens, in this case, to be the Catholic Church. There are probably some secularists out there who are all to happy to see the Church forced to violate its own morality but I think they are the exception, not the rule. The truth is that this is much worse than mere anti-Catholicism.
I would be happy to be wrong about this, but I do think that there is a strong ideological contingent within this administration who really hate the Catholic Church and would like to see it disappear from the face of the earth. Oh, they will point to the support of some leftist Catholics who have all but abandoned the Church in favor of leftist ideology. THAT is the Catholic Church they want. Not the Church which has maintained the teaching of Christ for 2,000 years.

gkupsidedown.blogspot.com/2012/03/coming-persecution.html
 
$1 abortions in Obamacare
In for a pence, in for a pound.

If I understand correctly, abortions have been deemed to cost $1 (the price of a coat hanger?) and so this satisfies the legal requirement not to fund abortions through Obamacare’s mandatory coverage.

This will be quite a slap in the face for those Catholics who bought into the charade. But I can’t say that I’m the least bit surprised.
 
I would be happy to be wrong about this, but I do think that there is a strong ideological contingent within this administration who really hate the Catholic Church and would like to see it disappear from the face of the earth. Oh, they will point to the support of some leftist Catholics who have all but abandoned the Church in favor of leftist ideology. THAT is the Catholic Church they want. Not the Church which has maintained the teaching of Christ for 2,000 years.
I don’t doubt that many are enjoying this attack on the Church but I really don’t think that anti-Catholic animus is the pimary motivaton here. They really believe in what they are doing and they should not be underestimated on this.

If there is another layer to this onion I suspect it is to cripple the Church’s charitable activities so that Government can take a bigger role and credit.

But whatever their original agenda, you can be sure they are going to hate a Church that says “no” to them and stands its ground. So perhaps in the end it is now academic whether their original motivation was anti-Catholic.
 
In for a pence, in for a pound.

If I understand correctly, abortions have been deemed to cost $1 (the price of a coat hanger?) and so this satisfies the legal requirement not to fund abortions through Obamacare’s mandatory coverage.

This will be quite a slap in the face for those Catholics who bought into the charade. But I can’t say that I’m the least bit surprised.
If I read it right, it’s worse than that. If you end up with one of those policies (and we don’t know what policies will be offered, it might be in ALL of them in the exhanges…and everyone is required a policy of some sort) you have to pay $1 separately, directly to fund abortions. No conscience clause. You write two checks, and one is directly for abortion. That way taxpayer dollars are supposedly not going into it.
 
Americans Strongly Oppose Obama Mandate, New Poll Shows

lifenews.com/2012/03/13/americans-strongly-oppose-obama-mandate-new-poll-shows/
Be Not Afraid to Oppose the HHS Mandate

nationalreview.com/corner/293304/be-not-afraid-oppose-hhs-mandate-kathryn-jean-lopez
New Poll Shows Left-Wing Efforts to Fabricate “War on Women” May Lose Obama the White House

Dana Loesch writes insightfully about what why this “war on women” has backfired:
“…Many women see as a greater threat to their freedom the administration’s insistence that employers — many of whom are also female — compromise their religious beliefs to provide for the contraceptive choices made freely by other women, women who can empower themselves by paying for their choices themselves. It’s not “feminist” to demand that another woman carry the yoke of your free choices…
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… There’s no need to purposefully victimize women for the sake of using them as pawns in an election. That itself is an act of war on women.”
catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=28080
Original or Revised, Repeal the Obama HHS Mandate

lifenews.com/2012/03/13/original-or-revised-repeal-the-obama-hhs-mandate
Mount St. Mary’s protests HHS mandate in letter to president

catholicreview.org/article/home/mount-st-marys-protests-hhs-mandate-in-letter-to-president
 
I don’t doubt that many are enjoying this attack on the Church but I really don’t think that anti-Catholic animus is the pimary motivaton here. They really believe in what they are doing and they should not be underestimated on this.

If there is another layer to this onion I suspect it is to cripple the Church’s charitable activities so that Government can take a bigger role and credit.

But whatever their original agenda, you can be sure they are going to hate a Church that says “no” to them and stands its ground. So perhaps in the end it is now academic whether their original motivation was anti-Catholic.
There is a straightforward explanation that will satisfy very few on CA that doesn’t involve a conspiracy to take down the Catholic Church or any other religious group, for that matter. The primary reason for requiring religious (including Catholic) institutions to provide insurance coverage for contraception to their employees (whether the employer pays for it or not) is that such religious institutions employ so many Americans, including many Americans who don’t share the religious beliefs of their employers. The Jesuits alone, for example, have 28 colleges and universities in the U.S., and the Catholic health care system is huge. The exception for the Amish, by contrast, stems from the fact that they employ a negligable number of Americans, particularly non-Amish Americans.

Many on CA forums think that the Obama administration is targeting the Church. I don’t think that’s true at all. If anything, the Obama administration is targeting women, in a positive way. Obama seems intent on providing women with what they want and feel they need – not denying Catholics what they want and feel they need – and women want and feel they need contraception. That’s why women will vote disproportionately for Obama in 2012.
 
There is a straightforward explanation that will satisfy very few on CA that doesn’t involve a conspiracy to take down the Catholic Church or any other religious group, for that matter. The primary reason for requiring religious (including Catholic) institutions to provide insurance coverage for contraception to their employees (whether the employer pays for it or not) is that such religious institutions employ so many Americans, including many Americans who don’t share the religious beliefs of their employers. The Jesuits alone, for example, have 28 colleges and universities in the U.S., and the Catholic health care system is huge. The exception for the Amish, by contrast, stems from the fact that they employ a negligable number of Americans, particularly non-Amish Americans.

Many on CA forums think that the Obama administration is targeting the Church. I don’t think that’s true at all. If anything, the Obama administration is targeting women, in a positive way. Obama seems intent on providing women with what they want and feel they need – not denying Catholics what they want and feel they need – and women want and feel they need contraception. That’s why women will vote disproportionately for Obama in 2012.
Oh my, your post made me laugh. Please check the recent polls Alan. This has backfired and Obama’s approval by women voters has dropped substantially in recent weeks. Oh they try to blame it on gas prices, but why haven’t the opinions of men dropped at the same level? Apparently women think beyond the Big Feminist ideology. The irony is that he pretends to be ‘pro-woman’ while simultaneously claiming they are ignorant and incapable of running their own lives.

One of the best responses to this ridiculous proposal was titled “I am Woman, Hear Me Beg!” Women are not stupid Alan. We see the internal inconsistency of the feminist argument that women must be treated as equal in every way to men, yet are apparently too incompetent to find birth control pills. Ms Fluke’s plight was laugable…$9 per month at Target a few miles from Georgetown. Does anyone think a woman smart enough to get into Georgetown couldn’t locate inexpensive or free birth control?

The Limbaugh flap was an unfortunate blip on the radar as it took the real issue off the table and that is fundamental religious freedom. There is NO compelling reason that an easily available, inexpensive and OPTIONAL product must be provided by an employer who has a religious objection to being complicit in this evil.

You’ve countered your own argument by the comment “women want and feel they need.” How utterly demeaning to women. I want and feel I need a new cell phone. I want and feel I need a new pair of shoes. I want and feel I need some diamond earrings. The argument that Uncle Sam should provide anything we ‘want and feel we need’ reduces women to the role of whining children whose parents won’t buy them candy. I hope we’ve come further than that.

Lisa
 
There is a straightforward explanation that will satisfy very few on CA that doesn’t involve a conspiracy to take down the Catholic Church or any other religious group, for that matter. The primary reason for requiring religious (including Catholic) institutions to provide insurance coverage for contraception to their employees (whether the employer pays for it or not) is that such religious institutions employ so many Americans, including many Americans who don’t share the religious beliefs of their employers. The Jesuits alone, for example, have 28 colleges and universities in the U.S., and the Catholic health care system is huge. The exception for the Amish, by contrast, stems from the fact that they employ a negligable number of Americans, particularly non-Amish Americans.
Yes, this is what I suspect is the best explanation. The administraiton really believes that they are doing good by forcing employers to cover contraceptives and have no interest in allowing even Catholic institutions, much less Catholic employers generally, to avoid the iron fist of Government because there are so many people involved. It would make a mocery of Obamacare.

If they cripple the Church in the process, all the better.

Assuming this is true, and I believe it is, then there is no possibility of a compromise. All we have left to do now is to choose sides.

The interesting question, to me, is whether this will cause the bishops to rethink their infatuation with the state. Not overnight, perhaps, but being declared an outlaw has a tendency to train the mind.
 
Oh my, your post made me laugh. Please check the recent polls Alan. This has backfired and Obama’s approval by women voters has dropped substantially in recent weeks. Oh they try to blame it on gas prices, but why haven’t the opinions of men dropped at the same level? Apparently women think beyond the Big Feminist ideology. The irony is that he pretends to be ‘pro-woman’ while simultaneously claiming they are ignorant and incapable of running their own lives.

One of the best responses to this ridiculous proposal was titled “I am Woman, Hear Me Beg!” Women are not stupid Alan. We see the internal inconsistency of the feminist argument that women must be treated as equal in every way to men, yet are apparently too incompetent to find birth control pills. Ms Fluke’s plight was laugable…$9 per month at Target a few miles from Georgetown. Does anyone think a woman smart enough to get into Georgetown couldn’t locate inexpensive or free birth control?

The Limbaugh flap was an unfortunate blip on the radar as it took the real issue off the table and that is fundamental religious freedom. There is NO compelling reason that an easily available, inexpensive and OPTIONAL product must be provided by an employer who has a religious objection to being complicit in this evil.

You’ve countered your own argument by the comment “women want and feel they need.” How utterly demeaning to women. I want and feel I need a new cell phone. I want and feel I need a new pair of shoes. I want and feel I need some diamond earrings. The argument that Uncle Sam should provide anything we ‘want and feel we need’ reduces women to the role of whining children whose parents won’t buy them candy. I hope we’ve come further than that.

Lisa
Great post. All of it. 👍

One woman who won’t vote for Obama!
 
An American takeover of America: 8 lawsuits filed against Obama mandate
The eight lawsuits so far, arranged by the date they were filed, are as follows:
November 10, 2011 Belmont Abbey College v. Sebelius
December 21, 2011 Colorado Christian University v. Sebelius
February 9, 2012 Eternal Word Television Network v. Sebelius
February 15, 2012 Priests for Life v. Sebelius
February 20, 2012 Louisiana College v. Sebelius
February 21, 2012 Ave Maria University v. Sebelius
February 21, 2012 Geneva College v. Sebelius
February 23, 2012 Bruning v. Sebelius (This is the one whose plaintiffs include the states of Nebraska, Texas, Florida, Michigan, Ohio, Oklahoma, and South Carolina.)
You may want to share this list with your local media, since some outlets continue to get the count wrong.
lifesitenews.com/blog/an-american-takeover-of-america-8-lawsuits-filed-against-obama-mandate
Pro-Abortion Democratic Legislator, in Bizarre Twist, Unintentionally Joins Catholics Opposed to the Mandate

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=28095
Conservative Catholics rally against contraception mandate

dailycaller.com/2012/03/13/conservative-catholics-rally-against-contraception-mandate/
 
I read no mean-spiritedness in any post. What is at the heart of the contention is political ideology which is threatening the very freedom given by God alone. Unfortunately, the philosophy spills out in the form of a culture war, and thank you, but Catholic Christians have no choice but to defend and follow the moral code of Christ as laid out in the teachings of the Church.
One of the teachings of the Church is that we tell the truth. Calling Obama a Marxist stretches the truth beyond recognition. Mouthing right-wing conservative slogans is not the same thing as telling the truth.
 
One of the teachings of the Church is that we tell the truth. Calling Obama a Marxist stretches the truth beyond recognition. Mouthing right-wing conservative slogans is not the same thing as telling the truth.
While I would agree that the more accurate description would be Fabian Socialist, pretetending that Obama is not a Marxist of some sort certainly “stretches the truth beyond recognition.”
 
In all countries which have gone towards socialism, the Church was attacked and marginalized early in the process. The script which is being followed now is one that has played out several times already. To think that this is not a direct attack defies logic and takes presumption of good will and charity to the point of burying one’s head in the sand.

The Left in Mexico, Europe, Asia. . .all of them have targeted the Church because of our beliefs. Through Church teachings, we believe in such things as natural rights from our creator rather than rights given by the government, eternal truths rather than truth based on popular opinion or provided to us by the elites, subsidiarity rather than massive government bureaucracy, and most of all, the family. The political left is rhetorically committed to individual freedom and choice. Unless you make a choice that they don’t like, then you need to be co-opted and regulated, and they bill you for the privilege. The left in the United States consistently demonizes anyone who doesn’t share their vision of an earthly paradise which is straight out of the playbook used in other countries. Since the political right and most corporations have been largely co-opted by crony capitalism there’s really no one with any power out there can stop the statist machine. This means the Church is in the way.
 
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