Archbishop of New York: Obama allies attempting to divide Catholic Church

[catharina]

What was this thread originally about?

Yes - and that was noting that Cardinal Dolan has wisely said:
“There is the force out there trying to caricature us, alright? But we can’t back down from this fight because it’s about religion freedom — it’s close to the heart of the democratic enterprise what we know and love and the United States of America is all about.”

 

[qui_est_ce]

Yes - and that was noting that Cardinal Dolan has wisely said:
“There is the force out there trying to caricature us, alright? But we can’t back down from this fight because it’s about religion freedom — it’s close to the heart of the democratic enterprise what we know and love and the United States of America is all about.”

That is why the left is trying to make this about contraception and women’s reproductive rights. It’s a red herring.

 

[7_Sorrows]

I’m thinking about this statement. I’m thinking about does it hold up under examination. Is this logic, although giving support to this priest, is it sound? Is it transferable?

If a man beats his wife, and he still hasn’t been arrested by the police, and you saw him do it. But, charges never stuck or were not pursued, is he to be respected as any man who respects his wife?

In the U.S. Governement that I worked in for some time, I saw true blue corruption, documented it, and raised the issue. But the U.S. Government has a culture of severely “beating down” whistle blowers. Was I supposed to consider these corrupt officers not corrupt until officially charged and punished? Never gonna happen my friend.

There were priests that did molest young boys, it was known, it was buried. In absolute truth are these priests still to be looked at as with God and the Church?

The Church is made up of humans, imperfect humans. Error can be on the perpetrator’s end, or the enforcer’s end. Either way, we must correct ourselves as best we can. If someone hasn’t been deemed as heretical, it does not necessarily mean he isn’t. And laymen have the right to point out his errors as anti-Magisterium. It was laymen who exposed the molesters.

Me. I stick to absolute truth. That’s why I love the Church, that’s why I am active in the Church. If there’s one among us, Father Pfleger, who has spoken counter to Magisterium, I don’t care if he’s high profile, he needs to be rightly identified as countering Magisterium, and his Faith to the True Church questioned.

well said. i agree.

 

[catharina]

I’m thinking about this statement. I’m thinking about does it hold up under examination. Is this logic, although giving support to this priest, is it sound? Is it transferable?
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Me. I stick to absolute truth. That’s why I love the Church, that’s why I am active in the Church. If there’s one among us, Father Pfleger, who has spoken counter to Magisterium, I don’t care if he’s high profile, he needs to be rightly identified as countering Magisterium, and his Faith to the True Church questioned.

When such took place, Fr. P was called to account.
Why is it being highlighted in 2012?
It is, most clearly, another red herring.

The Church has already dealt with Fr. P.
that is your “absolute truth” in March 2012.

 

[po18guy]

Any ‘wall’ that the government has erected to negate the infuence of Church on state, it is now leaping over so as to place state control over the Church. Once the government dictates to the Church, is that not the de facto establishment of a state religion?

The Church is already cowed in terms of morality-based political; speech by the threat of taxation.
Who was it said “the power to tax is the power to destroy”?

 

[kuttichan1]

sounds like an interesting interview. will have to stay up to watch the repeat. when you have biden and pelosi as public figures that speak against the teachings of the church and they know that there are so many liberal Catholics out there, they think it will be easy to lead others astray and away from the Catholic church.

This is not surprising. Democracy is a game of numbers. Governments need supporot of the majority to implement the laws.
The catholic church does not go by such majority ; nor is a it majority governed institution. Hence occasional conflict on issues such as this between the catholic church and the government takes place in various places around the world. I think this should not be taken as an attempt to divide the catholic church. The catholic church cannot be divided like that. It is more than just an issue.