Archbishop says Stop Communion in the Hand & Move the Tabernacle back

[GodSoldier]

msproule:

The priest and the deacon are the Eucharistic Ministers. Everybody else is referred to as Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion (EMHC).

I used to follow the same practice as bauerice. My reason was that EMHC in my area usually did not know how to properly place the Eucharist on the tongue. Quite often, they stood there like a deer in headlights, not knowing what to do.

However, now I receive on the tongue always. Furthermore, I try to present myself to the priest or deacon and not EMHC, if possible.

I would just think that you would be more concerned with receiving the body & blood, not whom you receive it from. Do you think that the consecration of the Host and the transubstatiation are so “weak” or so “fragile” that if touched by a layperson they somehow become “less than” those given by the Priest?

If so, wouldn’t then the communion gifts become "un-pure’ as soon as they touch your person?

Big picture, folks-- these little details shouldn’t matter if what you believe is so strong.

 

[MrS]

GodSoldier:

I would just think that you would be more concerned with receiving the body & blood, not whom you receive it from. Do you think that the consecration of the Host and the transubstatiation are so “weak” or so “fragile” that if touched by a layperson they somehow become “less than” those given by the Priest?

If so, wouldn’t then the communion gifts become "un-pure’ as soon as they touch your person?

Big picture, folks-- these little details shouldn’t matter if what you believe is so strong.

I believe he is… but not to the exclusion of a concern for who is distributing.

Exaggeration: If you had the opportunity to receive from Christ or from Mary Magdalen… whom would you choose? The priest is in persona Christi… Mary Magdalen could be , oh, an abuse ??? Unless she was present at the first Mass when those present were instructed to “do this…”

I guess the key is authority. msproule is correct… they were changes from long tradition. When changes are made by individual laity without permission, they are abuses.

 

[msproule]

GodSoldier:

I would just think that you would be more concerned with receiving the body & blood, not whom you receive it from. Do you think that the consecration of the Host and the transubstatiation are so “weak” or so “fragile” that if touched by a layperson they somehow become “less than” those given by the Priest?

Holy Communion is just that, no matter from whom one receives It. Never did I say anything to the contrary. My reasons were clearly written and my underlying motive for my preferred method of reception is to reduce the potential for profanation or and accident involving the Blessed Sacrament (i.e. crumbs/drops falling to the floor). When there are many EMHC and communicants crossing paths, diverging from and converging into lines, the potential for a “mishap” increases significantly. (Before you refute this as hyperbole, know that this “traffic jam” is what I see every Sunday.)

The Church appoints EMHC to distribute Holy Communion only when truly necessary. Surely, many of our parishes push this allowance too far. Consider the criteria presented in Redemptionis Sacramentum:
158. Indeed, the extraordinary minister of Holy Communion may administer Communion only when the Priest and Deacon are lacking, when the Priest is prevented by weakness or advanced age or some other genuine reason, or when the number of faithful coming to Communion is so great that the very celebration of Mass would be unduly prolonged. This, however, is to be understood in such a way that a brief prolongation, considering the circumstances and culture of the place, is not at all a sufficient reason.

 

[GodSoldier]

MrS:

I believe he is… but not to the exclusion of a concern for who is distributing.

Exaggeration: If you had the opportunity to receive from Christ or from Mary Magdalen… whom would you choose? The priest is in persona Christi… Mary Magdalen could be , oh, an abuse ??? Unless she was present at the first Mass when those present were instructed to “do this…”

I guess the key is authority. msproule is correct… they were changes from long tradition. When changes are made by individual laity without permission, they are abuses.

wait… what? Give me some more info on this one please.

 

[MrS]

it means: in the person of Christ

Just as in confession, we receive the forgiveness of Christ through the priest who is in the person of Christ

 

[NetNuncio]

Any local ordinary has the authority to ban communion in the hand in his own diocese. Communion in the hand is an indult for the dioceses of the United States (and other places that I am unaware of) and every bishop has the authority to return to the regular Latin Rite practice of communion on the tounge in his diocese. However, I wouldn’t be looking for any bishop to be doing it anytime soon.

Adam

 

[msproule]

MrS,

I just had a thought: I wonder how many readers out there incorrectly think that you and I are the same person!

Supporting arguments:

• Both joined the CA Forums in the June 2004
• Both live in/near Brighton, MI
• Both could be referred to as “Mr. S”, since I am male and my last name starts with an “S”
• Both defend orthodoxy
• Both have been known to attend the same parishes on occasion

Dissenting arguments:

• “MrS” has 4 times as many posts as “msproule” (and I certainly could not find the time to post over 2500 times in the last 16 months…could you?)
• “MrS” possesses far more knowledge than “msproule”
• Cannot overlook the fact that “msproule” is quite simply not “MrS”

Sorry about this diversion, everybody. I just thought it was wise to quell any suspicion.

 

[MrS]

msproule:

MrS,

I just had a thought: I wonder how many readers out there incorrectly think that you and I are the same person!

I will remember this… Christmas is coming, and I have 7 sons, and 18 grandchildren

You can help with how many???:clapping:

If you are good looking, extremely intellegent, kind, generous, and above all… extremely humble… you could be me:bigyikes:

 

[GodSoldier]

MrS:

it means: in the person of Christ

Just as in confession, we receive the forgiveness of Christ through the priest who is in the person of Christ

I should probably make a new thread for this, but here goes anyway:

Where should I look to find Scriptural examples of God giving power to an order of ministerial priests that allows them to Bless (make things Holy, like water, for instance), to become in persona Christi, and to be the “conduit” for Christ’s forgiveness.

 

[MrS]

GodSoldier:

I should probably make a new thread for this, but here goes anyway:

Where should I look to find Scriptural examples of God giving power to an order of ministerial priests that allows them to Bless (make things Holy, like water, for instance), to become in persona Christi, and to be the “conduit” for Christ’s forgiveness.

Search the words “power”, “hand(s)”, and the Acts of the Apostles for a look at the early church.

Christ claims all power (comes to Me from Him Who sent Me), and gives power to the apostles (examp: in the upper room when they receive the power to forgive sins it is with the power of Christ, not their own… thus in the person of Christ)

or “as often as you do(offer) this… in My memory”

or “…go forth and teach… baptizing in the name of…”

 

[msproule]

GodSoldier:

I should probably make a new thread for this, but here goes anyway:

There is no need to start a new thread. Simply search through some that already exist:

Where should I look to find Scriptural examples of God giving power to an order of ministerial priests that allows them to Bless (make things Holy, like water, for instance)…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=74303&highlight=holy+water
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=59101&highlight=holy+water
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=31169&highlight=holy+water

…to become *in persona Christi *and to be the “conduit” for Christ’s forgiveness.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.phpt=55096&highlight=persona+christi

This is just the tip of the iceberg. There is a wealth of information available.

 

[Marian_Carroll]

**As the original subject of tthe thread has digressed to something else entirely the thread is now closed. Thanks to all who contributed. **