Archbishop Timothy Dolan Speaks

[Adeodatus]

As for your other points, my friend, I am sorry you see the Archbishop in such a light. Can we not light that one, small candle instead of working toward removing all of the dark at once?

I for one know that my patience is basically at an end.

 

[nymid]

I am sorry he is not traditional enough for you

It’s not about him not being traditional enough for me (something subjective). It’s about his words and actions not being 100%, through and through, in line with Catholic Truth and Teaching (an objective standard).

I would like to ask you to remember him in your prayers

I prayed a rosary for him last night.

Can we not light that one, small candle

I’m happy to light a candle. Where is it?

As for your other points, my friend, I am sorry you see the Archbishop in such a light.

He put himself in that light. I would be happy to read a list from you that details all his courageous deeds that have restored/revitalized our Church.

 

[nymid]

I agree with you in all things. I saw him on EWTN with raymond, i never heard him mention the name of the Lord, or God, not one time. he talked about psychology how much better it has gotten. his language is also scary, he speaking in a very modern way. something like, “bring it on.” this is not an appropriate language for a bishop.

Yes, I agree. I have seen him with Raymond Arroyo a few times and am dismayed every time. In the last interview I saw, he could not say whether or not he supported the Mosque at Ground Zero and would not admit that Islam is a threat to our Faith. I see him in NY temples with Rabbis, I see him “helping” to “broker a deal” regarding the Ground Zero Mosque…if only he would spend so much time telling the world about our One True Catholic Faith and our Saviour Jesus Christ; if only he would spend more time in our Churches and our schools.

Adeodatus: You’re not alone.

 

[wisdomseeker]

I admit my signature had to be changed to remind all my Catholic brothers and sisters to remember His Holiness the Pope in their prayers, especially at this time.
The full quote was,“Maybe the greatest threat to the Church is not heresy, not dissent, not secularism, not even moral relativism, but this sanitized, feel-good, boutique, therapeutic spirituality that makes no demands, calls for no sacrifice, asks for no conversion, entails no battle against sin, but only soothes and affirms.” A spirituality that the Archbishop is talking about leads to heresy, dissent, secularism, etc, so is it not a greater threat?

As for your other points, my friend, I am sorry you see the Archbishop in such a light. Can we not light that one, small candle instead of working toward removing all of the dark at once?

I pray you and others will see (in time) that he is not the person you have labeled him to be. I am sorry he is not traditional enough for you, but he is working for good causes all in line with Mother Church. Before I resign from this thread, I would like to ask you to remember him in your prayers. Yes, deceit lies all around us, so let’s be careful in each step we take - and work more on building up the Kingdom, not tearing it down.

God bless all of you. +

The way to tear it down is when one does not hold to the Truth or defend it for fear of not being popular with the world. fear of persecution and all. when someone speaks the Truth about such issues of the Faith is not to tear down but to alerts others of what is false and what is true.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Yes, I agree. I have seen him with Raymond Arroyo a few times and am dismayed every time. In the last interview I saw, he could not say whether or not he supported the Mosque at Ground Zero and would not admit that Islam is a threat to our Faith. I see him in NY temples with Rabbis, I see him “helping” to “broker a deal” regarding the Ground Zero Mosque…if only he would spend so much time telling the world about our One True Catholic Faith and our Saviour Jesus Christ; if only he would spend more time in our Churches and our schools.

Adeodatus: You’re not alone.

If one decides to speak the Truth about the Catholic Faith, he is to make many enemies.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

It’s not about him not being traditional enough for me (something subjective). It’s about his words and actions not being 100%, through and through, in line with Catholic Truth and Teaching (an objective standard).

Can you give any concrete examples where Archbishop Dolan had done something or said something that goes against Catholic Teaching?

 

[wisdomseeker]

Can you give any concrete examples where Archbishop Dolan had done something or said something that goes against Catholic Teaching?

this video should help you.

youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV?feature=mhum#p/a/u/0/QTmrSqdIZho

 

[Tigg]

Can you give any concrete examples where Archbishop Dolan had done something or said something that goes against Catholic Teaching?

On a public forum care needs to be given, the rules observed, and above all, charity considered when answering such questions.

When Pope Leo XIII said he saw the smoke of Satan entering the Church, I’ve always wondered why he used that particular word. I’ve thought quite a lot about it, in fact. Smoke distorts vision, causes disorientation and burns our throats. As it clogs our lungs making it harder to breathe, our brain becomes deprived of oxygen making it difficult to discern which way we should go to save our lives. I think “smoke” perfectly describes the conditions and environs Catholics are living in with this present day Church.

Because Satan is crafty and wily and his modus operandi is doubt and confusion we seem to find ourselves more and more in that smoke-filled room. We need to hear our teachers say, “there is danger here for your soul, come quickly away.” We need to hear the ancient truths declared once again and draw from the treasury of the sacred mysteries in these dangerous times. Instead we have been met with deadly silence; even Abp. Chaput recently said that the Church has abrogated its responsibilities regarding catechesis. Generations of Catholics are losing their faith due to lack of knowledge – how can you love and believe what you do not understand? Of even greater harm is the lack of refutation when the gospel and church teaching is clearly distorted.

What we are hearing more and more of, however, are the teachings of dissident theologians and renegade priests and nuns, some of whom, although being censured by Rome, are still freely allowed by the prelates to spread their error through tacit approval. Groups masquerading under innocent names using such words as faith and justice and peace are implanting their political ideology rather than immersing us with solid Catholicism based upon spiritual truth. Sometimes I wish I could disengage my body and go sit under the Chair of Peter where I (hope) and know I’ll be safe. Instead we witness rebellion against the Vicar of Christ by those who are supposed to be exemplary. In an earlier time when heroic virtue was practiced; when the spiritual life was considered above all else, we would never have seen what we’re seeing today. This generalization does nothing to answer your specific question, I understand, but my answer will be in a round-about way because the illusions of smoke and mirrors we are living under, which is Satan’s guise, while causing great harm, are very subtle and hard to capture.

I wish I would have saved an article I read a while back. It spoke of the dire need for spiritual discernment by ordinary Catholics. Most of us do not have a theological background nor the credentials to legitimately speak. When you ask the question above, we hardly dare to answer. After all, who are we to question the intelligentsia or the shepherd who carries the staff? But our competency comes from a different source – we who are grounded in the sacraments and abide closely in His grace, who know not by book knowledge or clever language, but because somewhere deep inside, the truth prevails through our orthodox study and obedient minds, and by our will which connects, by the power of God, to that which is sacred and cannot be fooled.

 

[Adeodatus]

It’s getting harder and harder to know what to do. For Archbishop Dolan to say the Church in the USA is not in crisis is such a mind-boggling statement I don’t even know where to begin.

I am beginning to think that we are not in the worst crisis since Arianism, but in fact are in the worst crisis ever, even worse than Arianism.

What to do about it? Go to the Tridentine Mass, say your rosary every day, go to confession frequently, pray for deliverance. What more is possible?

It’s very scary to think about… almost the whole Church seems to have defected. Well, they say that in the Arian crisis, about 80% of the bishops became heretics. If we could survive that one, we can survive this one.

Jesus, I trust in You!

 

[wisdomseeker]

On a public forum care needs to be given, the rules observed, and above all, charity considered when answering such questions.

When Pope Leo XIII said he saw the smoke of Satan entering the Church, I’ve always wondered why he used that particular word. I’ve thought quite a lot about it, in fact. Smoke distorts vision, causes disorientation and burns our throats. As it clogs our lungs making it harder to breathe, our brain becomes deprived of oxygen making it difficult to discern which way we should go to save our lives. I think “smoke” perfectly describes the conditions and environs Catholics are living in with this present day Church.

Because Satan is crafty and wily and his modus operandi is doubt and confusion we seem to find ourselves more and more in that smoke-filled room. We need to hear our teachers say, “there is danger here for your soul, come quickly away.” We need to hear the ancient truths declared once again and draw from the treasury of the sacred mysteries in these dangerous times. Instead we have been met with deadly silence; even Abp. Chaput recently said that the Church has abrogated its responsibilities regarding catechesis. Generations of Catholics are losing their faith due to lack of knowledge – how can you love and believe what you do not understand? Of even greater harm is the lack of refutation when the gospel and church teaching is clearly distorted.

What we are hearing more and more of, however, are the teachings of dissident theologians and renegade priests and nuns, some of whom, although being censured by Rome, are still freely allowed by the prelates to spread their error through tacit approval. Groups masquerading under innocent names using such words as faith and justice and peace are implanting their political ideology rather than immersing us with solid Catholicism based upon spiritual truth. Sometimes I wish I could disengage my body and go sit under the Chair of Peter where I (hope) and know I’ll be safe. Instead we witness rebellion against the Vicar of Christ by those who are supposed to be exemplary. In an earlier time when heroic virtue was practiced; when the spiritual life was considered above all else, we would never have seen what we’re seeing today. This generalization does nothing to answer your specific question, I understand, but my answer will be in a round-about way because the illusions of smoke and mirrors we are living under, which is Satan’s guise, while causing great harm, are very subtle and hard to capture.

I wish I would have saved an article I read a while back. It spoke of the dire need for spiritual discernment by ordinary Catholics. Most of us do not have a theological background nor the credentials to legitimately speak. When you ask the question above, we hardly dare to answer. After all, who are we to question the intelligentsia or the shepherd who carries the staff? But our competency comes from a different source – we who are grounded in the sacraments and abide closely in His grace, who know not by book knowledge or clever language, but because somewhere deep inside, the truth prevails through our orthodox study and obedient minds, and by our will which connects, by the power of God, to that which is sacred and cannot be fooled.

I would say that the greatest knowledge we can acquire right now is discernment. You already got it. thank you for this post. when I am loosing hope, God sends a good messenger to the rescue. God bless.

 

[Tigg]

For consolation, re-read the prophecies of the Church approved apparition at Akita. Every word from the mouth of Our Blessed Mother (who has been given the title, “The Breaker of Heresies,”) seems to be happening. And we have nothing to fear but our own sinfulness. God bless and protect all the faithful churchmen for there are many and the Lord is raising up even more; may they truly be men after the Lord’s own heart!

 

[DCNBILL]

I for one know that my patience is basically at an end.

I pray that you may find some more my friend.

May we look to the cross where Jesus had to endure all of the sin of world from the beginning of time to the end and then set us free of it. May His patience and forgiveness be for us an example of the loving patience and forgiveness that we should have for one another.

 

[nymid]

On a public forum care needs to be given, the rules observed, and above all, charity considered when answering such questions.

When Pope Leo XIII said he saw the smoke of Satan entering the Church, I’ve always wondered why he used that particular word. I’ve thought quite a lot about it, in fact. Smoke distorts vision, causes disorientation and burns our throats. As it clogs our lungs making it harder to breathe, our brain becomes deprived of oxygen making it difficult to discern which way we should go to save our lives. I think “smoke” perfectly describes the conditions and environs Catholics are living in with this present day Church.

Because Satan is crafty and wily and his modus operandi is doubt and confusion we seem to find ourselves more and more in that smoke-filled room. We need to hear our teachers say, “there is danger here for your soul, come quickly away.” We need to hear the ancient truths declared once again and draw from the treasury of the sacred mysteries in these dangerous times. Instead we have been met with deadly silence; even Abp. Chaput recently said that the Church has abrogated its responsibilities regarding catechesis. Generations of Catholics are losing their faith due to lack of knowledge – how can you love and believe what you do not understand? Of even greater harm is the lack of refutation when the gospel and church teaching is clearly distorted.

What we are hearing more and more of, however, are the teachings of dissident theologians and renegade priests and nuns, some of whom, although being censured by Rome, are still freely allowed by the prelates to spread their error through tacit approval. Groups masquerading under innocent names using such words as faith and justice and peace are implanting their political ideology rather than immersing us with solid Catholicism based upon spiritual truth. Sometimes I wish I could disengage my body and go sit under the Chair of Peter where I (hope) and know I’ll be safe. Instead we witness rebellion against the Vicar of Christ by those who are supposed to be exemplary. In an earlier time when heroic virtue was practiced; when the spiritual life was considered above all else, we would never have seen what we’re seeing today. This generalization does nothing to answer your specific question, I understand, but my answer will be in a round-about way because the illusions of smoke and mirrors we are living under, which is Satan’s guise, while causing great harm, are very subtle and hard to capture.

I wish I would have saved an article I read a while back. It spoke of the dire need for spiritual discernment by ordinary Catholics. Most of us do not have a theological background nor the credentials to legitimately speak. When you ask the question above, we hardly dare to answer. After all, who are we to question the intelligentsia or the shepherd who carries the staff? But our competency comes from a different source – we who are grounded in the sacraments and abide closely in His grace, who know not by book knowledge or clever language, but because somewhere deep inside, the truth prevails through our orthodox study and obedient minds, and by our will which connects, by the power of God, to that which is sacred and cannot be fooled.

This is an excellent and beautifully written post. Thank you.