Archbishop Wuerl openly refuses to discipline notiorious Pro-Abort Catholics

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Where are today’s Gilbert and Sullivan. The Bishops need a theme along the lines of the Major General song. 😃
 
That was funny, Joe Kelley.

I just get so frustrated and upset when I see bishops behaving like this, with no backbone and no zeal for God.

In the Old Testament, Eli (who raised the prophet Samuel) had two very wicked sons who used to desecrate the holy offerings. Eli would not discipline them. He would say basically, “Now, now, boys, you don’t want to offend the Lord you know, tisk, tisk” and do the ancient equivalent of tapping them lightly on the wrist. God killed him for it.
Our bishops for the most part don’t even go as far as old
Eli. They talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk or even make any effort to. Even, as the bishop in the article above said, he would not discipline the proAbort Catholics.
Who was it that said that the floor of Hell is littered with the bodies of bad bishops???

Jaypeeto3 (aka Jaypeeto4)
 
It’s a shame, really. A bishop ought to do everything within his power to guard the Holy Eucharist from sacriledge.
 
It’s a shame, really. A bishop ought to do everything within his power to guard the Holy Eucharist from sacriledge.

AMEN to THAT !!! 👍
 
I can see your point, francesco,
but these days, in the current situation in the Church,
nothing, and I DO mean NOTHING, would surprise me.

After all, Benedict knows about the bad bishops, and has
the authority to remove them instantly with the mere stroke of a pen, and so far has done absolutely nothing about these men. Wuerl has a long track record. And he’s only one of the bad apples. Some are much worse than him. The way I look at it, if you KNOW about the evil, and you have the AUTHORITY to remove the evildoer, and you DON’T, then you are part of the problem. These men could be removed with the stroke of a pen TODAY, and replaced by righteous men TOMORROW (they ARE in the Church, you know).
But the wicked are left in place. And one of the wickedest of all, Law, was given a cushy retirement job as Archpriest of the Basilica of Saint Mary Major in Rome instead of being sent to spend his retirement doing penance for shuttling pedophiles from parish to parish - KNOWINGLY - for many years.
 
I wonder if he plans to “duly instruct and warn” her? (Something which I believe that he and the bishops as a body really need to do before taking any more drastic action)

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tee
 
I will breathe much easier when spineless bishops and the heretics they attempt to protect are excommunicated.
 
Nothing speaks to the heirarchy like zipping up the old wallet. Catholics with any sense in these dioceses need to speak with their financial support. It isn’t easy to run a diocese with no money and no interest on the part of the folks in the pews.

And just who do you think pays for all those buffets and hotels at the UCCB meetings.😦
 
Jaypeeto3 said:
I can see your point, francesco,
but these days, in the current situation in the Church,
nothing, and I DO mean NOTHING, would surprise me.

I must admit that this is true, unfortunately. However, I would not go as far as the article.

After all, Benedict knows about the bad bishops, and has
the authority to remove them instantly with the mere stroke of a pen, and so far has done absolutely nothing about these men. You make a good point. I wonder, though, if perhaps the Pope is worried about schism…still, I would like to see him crack down a bit more. Wuerl has a long track record. And he’s only one of the bad apples. Some are much worse than him. Like Bishop Tod Brown. The way I look at it, if you KNOW about the evil, and you have the AUTHORITY to remove the evildoer, and you DON’T, then you are part of the problem. *This is a good point, but I think we should give the Holy Father some time. Perhaps he is waiting for the opportune moment to act. These men could be removed with the stroke of a pen TODAY, and replaced by righteous men TOMORROW (they ARE in the Church, you know). If only… *But the wicked are left in place. And one of the wickedest of all, Law, was given a cushy retirement job as Archpriest of the Basilica of Saint Mary Major in Rome instead of being sent to spend his retirement doing penance for shuttling pedophiles from parish to parish - KNOWINGLY - for many years. Law should definitely have been disciplined much more. In my opinion some jail time would have been appropriate. I wonder if the Vatican has a jail…
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Jaypeeto3,

I share your frustration. I wish Rome would just crack down on these bishops once and for all. I’m sure there are plenty of orthodox priests somewhere that care more about protecting the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of the Lord than about offending heretical politicians, and that they would make fine bishops. Although, to the Vatican’s credit, the Congregations have issued documents that mandated that the bishops be faithful to official Catholic teaching. What concerns me is that the Vatican seems unable to act against bishops who do not obey these documents. I am unsure of the reason behind this.

Anyway, I pray that one day all abuses will be ended, and that abusers will be cleansed of their heresies and be converted to the true Catholic faith. I believe that only then will the crisis we find ourselves in end.
 
The other issue, other than willfully allowing a public scandal to go unchecked, is the fact that the bishops somehow are under the impression that these pro-abort politicians should submit in obedience to Church teaching… you know, much the same way these same bishops are being obedient in heeding the directives from Rome and following Canon Law.

In Christ,
Irenaeus
 
Jaypeeto3 said:
I can see your point, francesco,
but these days, in the current situation in the Church,
nothing, and I DO mean NOTHING, would surprise me.

After all, Benedict knows about the bad bishops, and has
the authority to remove them instantly with the mere stroke of a pen, and so far has done absolutely nothing about these men. Wuerl has a long track record. And he’s only one of the bad apples. Some are much worse than him. The way I look at it, if you KNOW about the evil, and you have the AUTHORITY to remove the evildoer, and you DON’T, then you are part of the problem. These men could be removed with the stroke of a pen TODAY, and replaced by righteous men TOMORROW (they ARE in the Church, you know).
But the wicked are left in place. And one of the wickedest of all, Law, was given a cushy retirement job as Archpriest of the Basilica of Saint Mary Major in Rome instead of being sent to spend his retirement doing penance for shuttling pedophiles from parish to parish - KNOWINGLY - for many years.
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First of all, our current Pope takes his role as PASTOR very seriously, and as such has not taken an excommunicative bent towards these issues in general.

Secondly, the Pope can’t really ‘remove’ a bishop, he could send him to a different diocese (maybe even one that is no longer in existence). But canonically, a bishop is a bishop and has that office until he dies. You can’t scrape away ordination.

Lastly, the article does not say that Archbishop Wuerl is doing nothing to speak with politicians about an obstinate sin they may be participating in. It simply says it is not in his style of leadership to proclaim someone unfit for the Eucharist. You don’t know what he has told these folks behind closed doors.

I know many wish that each diocese would publish a communion blacklist…but what good does that do?
 
Lastly, the article does not say that Archbishop Wuerl is doing nothing to speak with politicians about an obstinate sin they may be participating in. It simply says it is not in his style of leadership to proclaim someone unfit for the Eucharist. You don’t know what he has told these folks behind closed doors.

First of all, our “Catholic” politicians who are proAbortion KNOW the Church’s teaching and they defiantly and publicly go against it. They are heretics, not Catholics anymore.
It is the Bishop’s DUTY (remember that word???) to protect the Eucharist from sacrilege. He does not have the option, before God Almighty, to knowingly allow these people to desecrate the Body of Christ. If he does do that, he will pay an eternal price for it. It seems many of our Bishops no longer possess the Catholic Faith in their HEARTS. If they did, they wouldn’t allow these things.
No, I don’t know what Wuerl has said to her in private, but that doesn’t matter. Pelosi is a PUBLIC heretic, and scripture calls for PUBLIC heretics/sinners to be reproved PUBLICLY.
 
frommi said:
First of all, our current Pope takes his role as PASTOR very seriously, and as such has not taken an excommunicative bent towards these issues in general.

Secondly, the Pope can’t really ‘remove’ a bishop, he could send him to a different diocese (maybe even one that is no longer in existence). But canonically, a bishop is a bishop and has that office until he dies. You can’t scrape away ordination.

Lastly, the article does not say that Archbishop Wuerl is doing nothing to speak with politicians about an obstinate sin they may be participating in. It simply says it is not in his style of leadership to proclaim someone unfit for the Eucharist. You don’t know what he has told these folks behind closed doors.

I know many wish that each diocese would publish a communion blacklist…but what good does that do?
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The Pope can’t remove a bishop?? Baloney! The Pope has the power to do that anytime he wants.
 
Jaypeeto3 said:
Lastly, the article does not say that Archbishop Wuerl is doing nothing to speak with politicians about an obstinate sin they may be participating in. It simply says it is not in his style of leadership to proclaim someone unfit for the Eucharist. You don’t know what he has told these folks behind closed doors.

First of all, our “Catholic” politicians who are proAbortion KNOW the Church’s teaching and they defiantly and publicly go against it.
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A number of years ago, (then) Bishop Wuerl made what I thought was an excellent distinction:
While most people know that the Catholic Church opposes abortion, what the doctrinal note highlighted is the need to teach clearly and forcefully that for a politician to support pro-abortion legislation is also morally wrong. No one can defend legislation that attacks human life and the “very inviolability of human life”
Holding politicians accountable for living their convictions
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What I find sad is that 2 years later, the bishops as a body continue to fail in this teaching. He himself has been in place for only 6 months, so there is still hope that he might do so, but the hope is understandably fading with time.

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tee
 
Hi tee,
I read the link to Bishop Wuerl’s article that you provided.
Wuerl wrote a wonderful article.
It’s too bad he doesn’t put any teeth into what he writes.

God bless,
Jaypeeto3 (aka Jaypeeto4)
 
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