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What that makes them is terribly confused, morally blind, fearfully bought, or just flat out sinners. But they’re Catholics, nonetheless, not heretics.
Archbishop Wuerl openly refuses to discipline notiorious Pro-Abort Catholics
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frommi
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He really doesn’t.
Again, a Bishop has to be tied somehow to a see.
A bishop has to manifest a resignation to the pope, then he can be removed.
You have to remember that the Pope does not sit over all the other bishops like Donald Trump sits over the cast of the apprentice.
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Jaypeeto3
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Sorry, but denying and opposing just ONE de fide teaching of Catholic Faith OR morals, makes one a Heretic, and
according to all historic magisterial teaching, heretics cease to be Catholics by the fact of their public heresy.
according to all historic magisterial teaching, heretics cease to be Catholics by the fact of their public heresy.
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Other_Eric
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Interesting that you seem to believe that heresy has the power to unravel the Graces that God confers upon one at baptism. At least that is what I take it to mean when you say that even one heretical belief contradicts being Catholic.
Fortunately, we can look over the Church’s documents and see that things are not quite so stark. According to the Code of Cannon law,
This is not, it must be understood, as simple as it might first appear, since this obstinate doubt must be contracted in “bad faith.”
So, making a direct accusation of heresy in the first place involves far more information than is presented in the article. One would need to have some sort of window into Bishop Wuerl’s soul to determine whether his failure to withhold the Eucharist from these politicians is done “knowingly, consciously and intentionally espoused, with full cognizance” that it is in violation of Church teaching. This is the sort of information that can only be obtained with any degree of certainty from an excommunication tribunal and so I repeat my hope that the Holy See begins to make more frequent use of them.
(1) Code of Canon Law. Can. 751. Available online at: vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P2H.HTM
(2) Coriden, James A., Thomas J. Green, and Donald E. Heintschel, eds. The Code of Canon Law; a Text and Commentary. Mahwah: Paulist Press. 1985. p. 548.
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Jared123
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This isn’t a surpise, most U.S. Bishops don’t have the backbone to stand up for what is right. I wish the Vatican would take our Bishop (Fabian W. Bruskewitz) and make him the Archbishop of Washighton D.C. One of the first things he did after being installed the Bishop of Lincoln was excommunicate people who worked in the abortion industry, such as doctors, nurses, planned parenthood workers etc. He also went after about 13 other groups such as the Masons. He took alot of heat for doing this, and oddly enough it was from other Bishops. I would love to see what Bishop Bruskewitz would do to Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi and any other baby killing politician. But on the other hand I don’t want to loose him as our Bishop.
Bishop Bruskewitz will be speaking on Catholics Answers radio on January 24th 3:00 pacific. You can also read his bio by going to the Catholic answers homepage and clicking on raido at the top of the page. Scroll down to Jan. 24 and you will see his picture. He is a wonderful speaker and worth listening to.
Bishop Bruskewitz will be speaking on Catholics Answers radio on January 24th 3:00 pacific. You can also read his bio by going to the Catholic answers homepage and clicking on raido at the top of the page. Scroll down to Jan. 24 and you will see his picture. He is a wonderful speaker and worth listening to.
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frommi
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Kind of amazing that someone with such pastoral grace has never been assigned to a larger see.
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Jared123
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You would think this, but he does more good I believe in the conservative midwest. He would never be received very well in a large urban area such as the east coast or the west coast. Liberal Catholics would crucify him. Look at the east coast such as Boston. Prodominately Catholic and they continue to relect such politicians who are Catholic and stand for everything the Church is against. Ted Kennedy and John Kerry both Catholics, both vote for abortion rights at any time in a pregnancy. Both support the homosexual agenda. And the majority of Catholics in Massachusetts continue to relect them. What do you think the majority of of Catholics in Boston would do if Bishop Bruskewitz came along and excommunicated Kennedy and Kerry (Which should happen). They would revolt against the Bishop, stop donating money, etc.
Bishop Bruskewitz can stay here in the Lincoln Diocese which is the most orthodox diocese in the nation and lay the formation for great Bishops of the future. He has started a seminary in this diocese within the last ten years. And the vatican has taken three priest from the diocese and made them Bishops.
Bishop Vasa: Went to the Diocese of Baker, Oregon.
Bishop Olmsted: Went to the Diocese of Phoinex, Arizona
Bishop Jackels: Went to the Diocese of Wichita, Kansas.
All three of these men were priest in the Lincoln Diocese and have recently been ordained Bishops. I guess Bishop Vasa has been about 7 years ago.
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Why don’t you call in and ask what he would do were he Archbishop of D.C.?
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CatholicNick
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They only need to Celebrate one Old Rite Mass without permission… that should get them right into the bishops office the next morning.
Don’t we just love this new Springtime?
Don’t we just love this new Springtime?
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childofmary1143
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I am not saying that the Pope should do this or that. He knows more than what I do but what I want to be made clear is that the Pope does have the authority to remove a particular Bishop from a particular diocese.
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francesco920
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The Pope can excommunicate bishops and suspend them from their duties.
Here’s an example:
http://www.archbishopmilingo.org/images/milingo-mpnow.jpg
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Tantum_ergo
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Yes, but look what Archbishop Millington did (or Archbishop LeFebreve to go even further back)–they just keep right on going. It’s back enough that the SSPX started from disobedience; who knows what bad seed could grow from the former’s actions now?
Let’s take a quick look back at English History and the time of Henry VIII. When push came to shove and Henry said, “sign the oath making me head of the church of England or die”. . .I believe that only Bishop (he was made cardinal just before his death) John Fisher refused to sign. The rest of the bishops of England, willy-nilly, signed the oath. And thus renounced the Catholic faith not just for them but for all the people in England. There were, and continued to be for many years into the reign of Elizabeth, as many or more Catholics in England, but they had no bishops to lead them, their services were gradually made illegal and then treasonous, etc., priests who came to serve them were martyred.
While there is no threat of death perhaps, it seems to me that there are enough bishops here (and elsewhere) whose consciences (perhaps not surprisingly like Henry’s, whose conscience ‘pricked him’ regarding his marriage to Katherine of Aragon) are ‘pricking’ them and who would defy the Pope were he to come flat out and demand that they exercise a ‘particular’ judgment even if that judgment is both historically held and doctrinally sound. And could you imagine these bishops appealing to the U.S. government to support them? Could you imagine them refusing to leave their sees if the Pope appoints another bishop? I can.
Let’s take a quick look back at English History and the time of Henry VIII. When push came to shove and Henry said, “sign the oath making me head of the church of England or die”. . .I believe that only Bishop (he was made cardinal just before his death) John Fisher refused to sign. The rest of the bishops of England, willy-nilly, signed the oath. And thus renounced the Catholic faith not just for them but for all the people in England. There were, and continued to be for many years into the reign of Elizabeth, as many or more Catholics in England, but they had no bishops to lead them, their services were gradually made illegal and then treasonous, etc., priests who came to serve them were martyred.
While there is no threat of death perhaps, it seems to me that there are enough bishops here (and elsewhere) whose consciences (perhaps not surprisingly like Henry’s, whose conscience ‘pricked him’ regarding his marriage to Katherine of Aragon) are ‘pricking’ them and who would defy the Pope were he to come flat out and demand that they exercise a ‘particular’ judgment even if that judgment is both historically held and doctrinally sound. And could you imagine these bishops appealing to the U.S. government to support them? Could you imagine them refusing to leave their sees if the Pope appoints another bishop? I can.
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frommi
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So long as he assigns him to something else, yes, thats a possibility
However…it’s not something that is going to be done over giving communion to a politician.
It’s a tenuous balance…the Pope can’t exist without the college of bishops…and the college of bishops can’t exist with the pope.
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Elzee
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I say several of us should try to get through and ask . I would love to hear what he has to say.
Better yet, we should write to the Pope and let him know how much we love this man. Our priest calls him a “crazy, Bishop who isn’t in line with anyone else” - even if I didn’t know anything about him, that alone would have told me Bruskewitz is a great man of God!!
May God Bless Bishop Bruskewitz with a long, healthy life and a bigger sphere of influence in our Church.
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Jerry-Jet
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How often each year does an American bishop of the Catholic Church deny communion for ANY reason?
If no one is ever denied and everyone knows that some are committing sacriledge–is there something wrong with that picture?
If no one is ever denied and everyone knows that some are committing sacriledge–is there something wrong with that picture?
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And so Benedict is appointing feckless bishops as did JP2 (see current issue of catholic World Report), the church is dying in America and England and everywhere. JP2 did not seem to care really - if he had he would have appointed righteous bishops and Benedict is even worse it seems.
Go read the internet about Wuerl and read about Benedict’s appointment to San Francisco. It is disheartenting to say the least. I still post here but have left th church - pushed out finally by the supposedly orthodox Benedict doing nothing for the faith IMO. Just like JP2 whom I have not a lot of repsect for. He started me on the way out.
Read the current CWR (January 2007 issue) - JP2’s appointmentns in Britain have helped lead to the collapse of the church there in the past 20 years…
Go read the internet about Wuerl and read about Benedict’s appointment to San Francisco. It is disheartenting to say the least. I still post here but have left th church - pushed out finally by the supposedly orthodox Benedict doing nothing for the faith IMO. Just like JP2 whom I have not a lot of repsect for. He started me on the way out.
Read the current CWR (January 2007 issue) - JP2’s appointmentns in Britain have helped lead to the collapse of the church there in the past 20 years…
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Jared123
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This is what amazes me. Some Catholic Bishops and Priest talk about Bishop Bruskewitz like he is some outcast. Its just that they have been so far removed from Orthodox Catholicism they don’t now what to think when they see it in action. Bishop Bruskewitz is running the Lincoln Diocese like all Bishops should run their diocese. I will also add that Catholicism is thriving here and we lead the nation in vocations per capitia. Why do you think Bishop Bruskewitz is going to be on the Catholic answers radio program?
Please go to: www.dioceseoflincoln.org
You can click on the heading of Bishop Bruskewitz and read some of his talks on varies theological and moral issues. You can also learn more about the diocese. If anyone has questions about the diocese such as the price of schooling, parish info, or anything else let me know. I will be happy to answer questions.
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Obvious question - are or is the diocese bringing in any converts?
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Jared123
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I was born and raised Baptist, but converted to catholicism after moving to this Diocese and seeing how things were done around here. I have often told people there is probably no way I would have ever converted if I had to witness watered down Catholicism that exist in most of the U.S.
Our current member of the House of Representatives, Jeff Fortenberry was a Catholic getting his masters degree in theology from Franciscan University in Steubenville when he heard a priest from the Lincoln Diocese speaking on campus. He was so impressed by what the priest had to say about the diocese he made the decision to move here and raise his family. I believe he has four girls. After moving here he decided to get into politics and try to defend family values. He is totally pro-life, against the homosexual agenda. He is actually a Catholic politician who stands with the Church.
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Long live Bishop Bruskewitz!!! And God bless Rep. Fortenberry. If only the Speaker would be like that…
Speaking of Bishop Bruskewitz, I had a dream last night…
Annuntio vobis gaudium magnum : Habemus papam ! Emminentissimum ac reverendissimum dominum, dominum Fabianum, sanctæ romanæ Ecclesiæ episcopum Bruskewitz, qui sibi nomen imposuit Pii XIII.
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