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I think Finland did a study recently - And ranked USA as one of the highest in CO2 emission drops…It’s in the other threads. I will try to find and post it here - later.
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kimmielittle
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Thank you for saving me a trip through my files
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gilliam
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North America is the largest. By country China is #1, US #2
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AntalKalnoky
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No one can be “In Compliance” because they are Goals, standards For the Future, Sam
China and Europe are already Exporting Green Indstry, and we are Importing the 3 times better performing Nissan Leaf electric Car, than our **1940’s concept ** Electric batteries Hybrid. Ever heard of the World standard Hybrid: Prius? 56 MPG to Chicago high speed, more than a decade ago in early Prius, Fully loaded with 4: Friends if mine. The Volt is a minor attempt to copy the Prius Concept. Know China had Hydrogen (Water) powered cars operating there 3 years ago? Aware, Sam, that MB Has Hydrogen Powered Cars in California Now; But Obama decided on quick, stupid attempt to switch to “Battery Production” for electric Cars. We’re too backward since 1980’s and 2001-2009 to even Keep Up with Rapidly expanding Technologies we Mostly Invented. 
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kimmielittle
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What does this rambling have to do with the Original Topic…pleaseNo one can be “In Compliance” because they are Goals, standards For the Future, Sam
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kimmielittle
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No it was a study showing USA ahead of most counties in DROPPING CO2 - Even though we aren’t signers of Koyoto
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AntalKalnoky
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Kimmie, please don’t waste our time again Picing same Nits and same Ad Hominems. on the ISSPC again. The World knows Global Warming is Very real: Just the Beggiining now, Logarithmic Increases Beggining. Almost too late to try to arrest it. The World, the Human Race Faces Actual Destruction a Few Centuries from now: Scientific Knowledge. The Problem is Doing Basics Now, at the Beggining, instead of waiting til Too Late, Literally for Humanity’s Survival a Few Centuries from Now.Let’s see how IPCC advertises itself:
noconsensus.org/ipcc-audit/not-as-advertised.php
How does it stack up to independent audit:
UN’s Climate Bible Gets 21 'F’s on Report Card
all 18,531 references cited in the 2007 IPCC report were examined
5,587 are not peer-reviewed
IPCC chairman’s claim that the report relies solely on peer-reviewed sources is not supported
each chapter was audited three times; the result most favorable to the IPCC was used
21 out of 44 chapters contain so few peer-reviewed references, they get an F
43 citizen auditors in 12 countries participated in this project
full report card here
detailed results here
noconsensus.org/ipcc-audit/IPCC-report-card.php
noconsensus.org/ipcc-audit/findings-main-page.php
I wonder how I would get / what degree I could get …with 21 F’s
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Why is the USA The Only Advanced Nation Without a Significant Greeing Program, as leading European, Especially The Booming Chinese economy are Investing, and Selling Major Anti-Warming technologies?
Why are the 2 Highrst Tech, and Leading Exporting Nations also the Greatest Pollution Reducing and Green Technology developing and Selling nations Leaving Us behind? we used to Lead; not after the 1980's and the 2000's, we are Bankrupt and Borrowing to survive?
Whose Payroll and worst interests are you on, Kimmie?
This is a Catholic Answers Forumn, not Big Money Self Interest lobbying site, Kimmie.[SIGN] Where is the Morality, the Public Good interest [/SIGN]in Your lobbying against Proven Data, Science, World knowledge, Kimmie? You have Never answered. Please do so, respectfully to You. Peace, not senseless attacks on Known reality, Kimmie, please. Why is even the Vatican going totally self supportig Green, Kimmie? Certainly not politics, but Moral Leadership Again.
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AntalKalnoky
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It’s a Baseline Corrections of your ramblings false ad homminems, Kimmie. I and Scientists and Real experts know what We’re talking about, Kimmie. Why do you continue the Same Nits Pics Attacks on Known, accepted Scientific warnings, concerns? What’s Your Moral Intent, Kimmie? Mine is Catholic, correcting False propaganda and false attacks on the Public Good. [SIGN] Now is the Beggining of the Future; The Signs are Clear Now. [/SIGN] Why are you on CAF, Kimmie? And why is the Holy City Also going Green, Kimmie? Not with USA Products, but advanced Greening producers.What does this rambling have to do with the Original Topic…please
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pnewton
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Yes, it does. It shows the problem within agenda-driven science, whether it be climatology or physics. True science is blind for a reason. When ecologists and climatologists go in search of evidence of global warming, there is a tendancy to find what they are looking for simply because they are looking for it. If the temptation is to manufacture date, then it indicates an underlying need to prove something. While I am sure most scientist have more ethics than deliberately lying, if they do not recognize the problem inherent in climate science today, then they are blind and poor scientists.
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kimmielittle
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Is English your second language? Do you have a problem with comprehension?
Repeating for the third time: I’m a kid…Is this above comprehension?
Now I’m going to ask you VERY politely…Please Stop with your rude and crude accusations against me. If you can’t backup your statements you make. I will ask - only once ].
Back up your claims and statements…Please.
PS have you ever thought about spell checkers? IMO it would greatly enhance your claim as being highly educated. I hope this helps
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kimmielittle
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Actually his statement as follows
Shows he didn’t even read the Original or Other Posts pertaining to the Original Post. He wasn’t dismissed because of exaggerating facts.
I have no idea where Antal came up with his idea that … he This Scientist ] had.
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AntalKalnoky
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From the Real News: China has replaced the USA as The Biggest Poluter in the World, India lags. China is Highly Active on Their Anounced 25% First reduction, then much Greater; They have Very Major National Committment to Develop and Sell High Tech Green. We’re piddling along, with plans to reduce 10% to China’s 25%, and we’re not Activelly planning Green Tech Mega Sales, as Europen Nations and China Are Doing. My numbers are close approximations. :yup:Ahhhhhh China and India are two of the worlds highest emitters - AND China hasn’t signed on.
Wondering where you get your ideas
Trying to prove me wrong will show I’ve Understated the Facts. 
Nit-Picking Nits gets boring, Kmmie. Are you Catholic? Why are you posting here? Why is the Holy City going Green, Kimmie. Know what the Holy City Is?
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AntalKalnoky, you need to back off the attack a bit. You are certainly welcome to believe what you want regarding this topic, but your posts to kimmielittle are now crossing the line. Who are you to question his/her faith? You don’t read the responses given to your posts but continue to spout your position and now get into “Are you Catholic” junk. Let it go.
I’ve reported this to the moderators.
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I’ve reported this to the moderators.
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I suspect I am not the only one who wishes you would respond to the facts Kimme posts rather than continually claim the science is settled , Kimmie is a pawn of big money and questioning the Faith of anyone who disagrees with you. Thus far I have not seen you refute one single thing posted here questioning Global WarmingFrom the Real News: China has replaced the USA as The Biggest Poluter in the World, India lags. China is Highly Active on Their Anounced 25% First reduction, then much Greater; They have Very Major National Committment to Develop and Sell High Tech Green. We’re piddling along, with plans to reduce 10% to China’s 25%, and we’re not Activelly planning Green Tech Mega Sales, as Europen Nations and China Are Doing. My numbers are close approximations. :yup:
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Thank you for saving me the trouble!
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jam070406
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Al Gore will save you, just give him all your money.
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bellasbane
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These are all good points, but these caveats must also be strictly applied to those scientists who deny the climate change research. Especially to those who are being paid by special interests to cast doubt among the public in order to undermine populist government environmental policies and regulations.
The carbon-based energy industry is massive - far bigger than “big tobacco”. Have people forgotten how tobacco industry “scientists” claimed for years that nicotine was not addictive and cigarette smoking was not “proven” to cause cancer? Given our experience with the tobacco industry, it is reasonable to assume that the “big oil” or “big gas” or “big coal” industries are employing “scientists” for the same purpose: to continue to make profits and avoid liability for their product. The motivations are exactly the same. Only a fool would fail to learn from the past and blindly accept the “facts” and “research” that are bankrolled by the energy industry.
You can tell that conservatives are loosing the scientific debate when they begin to use the tactic of denying that climate change is a problem by attacking “liberal” solutions to it.
This is equivalent to denying that teen pregnancy is a problem by attacking the efforts of Planned Parenthood to promote the use of contraception. Catholics may disagree with PP’s solution, point out how it would make the problem worse, and offer our own solutions, but to deny that the problem exists based on our disagreement with PP’s response to it would be the height of irresponsibility. The same is true of the climate change problem.
Finally, Catholics must understand that Pope Benedict XVI and scientists from the Pontifical Academy of Sciences both state unequivocally that Global Warming/Climate Change is a real problem facing the world and are actively crafting the appropriate Catholic response to the crisis. Catholics who oppose the Church in this regard and question the Pope’s judgement must explain why they are taking such a radical stance. They must demonstrate that they are better equipped than our Church leaders to critically evaluate the evidence, understand its implications for future generations, and craft a response in accord with Catholic Social Doctrine.
So far, nothing on this forum has convinced me that those who deny the reality of global climate change are doing anything more than repeating right-wing propaganda. Since that is the case, I will stick with the Pope.
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estesbob
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Perhaps you can refute the data Kimmie provided The constant rants against evil oil companies and ignorant conservatives is getting a little tiresome
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bellasbane
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You should know that I applaud conservative arguments that are consistent with Catholic teaching. I have applauded many of your own arguments when you stand upon principle and are willing to criticize both the right and the left. So please, do not try to cast me as a knee-jerk anything but a knee-jerk Catholic.
Kimmie’s analysis of the “data” contradicts the analysis of the data provided by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and the teachings of the Pope - that is good enough reason for me to question it’s accuracy and reliability. Here is the most recent report published by the Vatican on the issue of climate change:
vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdscien/2011/PAS_Glacier_110511_final.pdf
The burden of proof is on Kimmie to refute the scientific arguments presented in this report, not the other way around. Kimmie also uses the tactic of criticizing “liberal” solutions to deny the reality of the problem and I have demonstrated why this tactic is irresponsible.
Since Kimmie has zero credentials, in “Kimmie vs. the Vatican” - I will take the Vatican.
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Antal,
I see you are new here. Please read the CAF rules against personal attacks on posters.
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This is the news forum for news discussion.
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