Are Catholics better?

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jcrichton said:
…can you cite any nation whose regime is Catholic that has practiced mass murder of their own citizens or have gone to war to gain “xyz”?
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The US is not a Catholic country but it is 22% Catholic and 83% Christian and has gone to war numerous times for gain. We are in 7 wars right now and a few of them appear to be endless.

And how about Russia which is a Catholic and the present western demonization of Russia. as being responsible for just about all the evil in world today.
 
Bradski said:
How about Germany?
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Hitler was voted into power by the largely protestant sectors of Germany. This is a fact. The Catholic bishops of Germany had discouraged Catholics from voting for him.

catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/hitler.htm

Hitler ceased to be a Catholic by the time he reached adulthood.

Some famous remarks of his:

“The religions are all alike, no matter what they call themselves. They have no future – certainly none for the Germans. Fascism, if it likes, may come to terms with the Church. So shall I. Why not? That will not prevent me from tearing up Christianity root and branch and annihilating it in Germany.” Adolf Hitler
 
HabemusFrancis said:
The Church teaches that we have the fullness of faith.

Maybe so. But does being Catholic make us better people than the non Catholics of the world?

Are we more worthwhile people than (nearly) the entire populations of Japan and China?

Are we automatically kinder,more tolerant, and more level-headed than non-Catholics? Are the above described values even worthwhile?

It just seems to me that with a lot of people being Catholic is just a matter of identity or tribalism in a sense. They will pride themselves on having gone to Boston College or Notre Dame (the Catholic Ivy legue) , and be somewhat dismissive of people who either did not go, or are not Catholic or much of anything at all.

I enjoy the Catholic faith, but I do struggle with it at times, since it seems mostly that it can create a sense of “false pride” in its adherents. I see Catholics who do not treat other people well, and non-Catholics who are more kinder and open minded than other Catholics.

We might have the Truth compared to the other 5 billion people on the planet. But are we… better?😊🤷
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I don’t think so. I mean ‘No’ . Sadly, I doubt if you’ll ever get an yes for this :crying::nope:
 
Bradski said:
How about Germany?
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Hi!

…the past President of the US claimed to have been Christian… his efforts supported the death culture and Muslims… he even hindered the entry of Christian refugees into the US while promoting the entrance of the Muslins refugees–I cannot recall a single Christian church built with US grants, while Pres Obama H Barak (a name he refused to change as converts to Christianity, upon their conversion take on Christian name) gave at least one grant of over 50 million dollars for rebuilding mosques…

…given these facts, would you say that the US, at least during the past regime, was a Muslin nation?

Hitler was not Christian… Germany’s quest for world domination was not even guised as a religious endeavor–Hitler’s vision was that of many elitists: “the superior” race:
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf
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, Hitler used the words “God”, “the Creator”, “Providence” and “the Lord”.[17][18][19][20] He outlines a nihilistic vision, describing human history as a constant racial struggle for supremacy.[21] He criticized the churches for not knowing the “racial problem” and declares himself in favour of separation of church and state.[22][23] Officially, the Nazi party endorsed what it termed “Positive Christianity” which removed the religion of its Jewish origins, set up Hitler as a messiah, and did not require the belief in the divinity of Christ.[24][25][22][26] In practice Hitler’s regime oppressed the churches, and worked to reduce the impact of Christianity on society. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler)
…a reasonable person would gather from “the horse’s own mouth” that the state rejected God and the Church!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
frobert said:
The US is not a Catholic country but it is 22% Catholic and 83% Christian and has gone to war numerous times for gain. We are in 7 wars right now and a few of them appear to be endless.

And how about Russia which is a Catholic and the present western demonization of Russia. as being responsible for just about all the evil in world today.
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Hi!

…I think that you are confusing the “feelings” of some people with the actual state… our past President and our past Secretary of State both went on record to dispel the myth that North America was a Christian nation… they both went on record to reject that notion–Obama went as far as refusing to take his oath of the US Presidency by placing his hand on a Bible–yep, this “self-professed” Christian demanded a non-Christian religious book!

Russia’s state murdered millions of Christians in its effort to cleanse the world of the error of Christianity (you know, Love God above all and your neighbor as yourself)… several years ago the President of Russia went on record to congratulate the state on the death of the last “Catholic/Christian” on their soil–Russia, Christian?

Under the secularist rule nations all over the world have gone to war against their own citizens murdering millions for the crime of professing Christian Faith.

England, France, Spain, Germany… were kingdoms that were ruled (as historic Russia) by Catholic/Christian monarchs… these were disposed and within a bat of an eyelash those nations ran red in the blood of Believers–and for many of them the flooding of blood has not stopped!

The US may have been founded on religious aspirations… but there’s a gigantuous gap between aspiration and reality–a state that must support Christianity in order to be a Christian nation.

Any nation/state that hinders and penalizes Christianity is not a Christian nation… or are you intimating that China is a Christian nation since they have “officially” claimed that Catholics/Christians can practice their Faith on its soil?

…of those wars you’ve cited, which ones has N. America claimed as a religious war?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
DaddyGirl said:
Atheist wars???
What is that?
There haven’t *been *any “atheist wars”.

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Hi!

…yeah, mea culpa… you do not subscribe to atheism but secularism… big difference, right?

…sorry for the insensitive use of terms!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
jcrichton said:
Hi!

…the past President of the US claimed to have been Christian… his efforts supported the death culture and Muslims… he even hindered the entry of Christian refugees into the US while promoting the entrance of the Muslins refugees–I cannot recall a single Christian church built with US grants, while Pres Obama H Barak (a name he refused to change as converts to Christianity, upon their conversion take on Christian name) gave at least one grant of over 50 million dollars for rebuilding mosques…

…given these facts, would you say that the US, at least during the past regime, was a Muslin nation?

I am going to do my best to treat your post with respect that it doesn’t deserve.

Whatever the argument being used from the basis that the US is a Chrisitan nation is irrelevant to the fact that the US is the most Christian centered nation in Western Civilisation. Period. That anyone could consider arguing against that fact strikes me as incredible.

To go further and declare that it is more Muslim orientated than Christian defies any comprehension whatsoever.

And as to grants to churches and mosques, it would be against the separation of church and state as defined in the constitution to do so for those in the US. However, overseas grants made as part of the Amabassadors Fund For Cultural Preservation, some places of religious worship overseas have been given grants. That would include churches as well as mosques.

The first grants were given by President George Bush, under whose tenure, 30 mosques received a donation (as opposed to 13 under Obama).

Now you knw a little more about it than you did when you wrote your post. Or at least I hope you do. Because otherwise someone might get the impression that you were being a little too selective in how you wrote it.
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Bradski said:
I am going to do my best to treat your post with respect that it doesn’t deserve.

Whatever the argument being used from the basis that the US is a Chrisitan nation is irrelevant to the fact that the US is the most Christian centered nation in Western Civilisation. Period. That anyone could consider arguing against that fact strikes me as incredible.

To go further and declare that it is more Muslim orientated than Christian defies any comprehension whatsoever.

And as to grants to churches and mosques, it would be against the separation of church and state as defined in the constitution to do so for those in the US. However, overseas grants made as part of the Amabassadors Fund For Cultural Preservation, some places of religious worship overseas have been given grants. That would include churches as well as mosques.

The first grants were given by President George Bush, under whose tenure, 30 mosques received a donation (as opposed to 13 under Obama).

Now you knw a little more about it than you did when you wrote your post. Or at least I hope you do. Because otherwise someone might get the impression that you were being a little too selective in how you wrote it.
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👍

It’s likely the previous poster copied and pasted from a right wing anti-Obama website with no personal fact checking. Not to appear to be a lefty fan there are anti-whatever left wing websites that post misleading material.
 
jcrichton said:
Hi!

…I think that you are confusing the “feelings” of some people with the actual state… our past President and our past Secretary of State both went on record to dispel the myth that North America was a Christian nation… they both went on record to reject that notion–Obama went as far as refusing to take his oath of the US Presidency by placing his hand on a Bible–yep, this “self-professed” Christian demanded a non-Christian religious book!

Russia’s state murdered millions of Christians in its effort to cleanse the world of the error of Christianity (you know, Love God above all and your neighbor as yourself)… several years ago the President of Russia went on record to congratulate the state on the death of the last “Catholic/Christian” on their soil–Russia, Christian?

Under the secularist rule nations all over the world have gone to war against their own citizens murdering millions for the crime of professing Christian Faith.

England, France, Spain, Germany… were kingdoms that were ruled (as historic Russia) by Catholic/Christian monarchs… these were disposed and within a bat of an eyelash those nations ran red in the blood of Believers–and for many of them the flooding of blood has not stopped!

The US may have been founded on religious aspirations… but there’s a gigantuous gap between aspiration and reality–a state that must support Christianity in order to be a Christian nation.

Any nation/state that hinders and penalizes Christianity is not a Christian nation… or are you intimating that China is a Christian nation since they have “officially” claimed that Catholics/Christians can practice their Faith on its soil?

…of those wars you’ve cited, which ones has N. America claimed as a religious war?

Maran atha!

Angel
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I don’t believe so, but in the our present soundbites and “post-fact checking” age I can understand how you may reached your conclusions.

Semantically, you are correct, we are not a Christian nation but rather a nation with freedom of religion that happens to be greater than 80% self-identified Christians.
 
Bradski said:
I am going to do my best to treat your post with respect that it doesn’t deserve.

Whatever the argument being used from the basis that the US is a Chrisitan nation is irrelevant to the fact that the US is the most Christian centered nation in Western Civilisation. Period. That anyone could consider arguing against that fact strikes me as incredible.

To go further and declare that it is more Muslim orientated than Christian defies any comprehension whatsoever.

And as to grants to churches and mosques, it would be against the separation of church and state as defined in the constitution to do so for those in the US. However, overseas grants made as part of the Amabassadors Fund For Cultural Preservation, some places of religious worship overseas have been given grants. That would include churches as well as mosques.

The first grants were given by President George Bush, under whose tenure, 30 mosques received a donation (as opposed to 13 under Obama).

Now you knw a little more about it than you did when you wrote your post. Or at least I hope you do. Because otherwise someone might get the impression that you were being a little too selective in how you wrote it.
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The Philippines, Any country in Latin America, most countries in southern Africa are substantially more “Christian” nations than the US. That is to say, their laws on divorce, abortion gay marriage and so on are more reflecting of traditional Christianity than the US.

Your statement about the US isn’t correct. I’m not used to seeing rationalists swing broad brushes.
 
Bradski said:
I am going to do my best to treat your post with respect that it doesn’t deserve.

Whatever the argument being used from the basis that the US is a Chrisitan nation is irrelevant to the fact that the US is the most Christian centered nation in Western Civilisation. Period. That anyone could consider arguing against that fact strikes me as incredible.
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The most Christian centered nation in the West is rapidly becoming the most secularist nation in the West. That should please you immensely. 🤷
 
Bradski said:
I am going to do my best to treat your post with respect that it doesn’t deserve.

Whatever the argument being used from the basis that the US is a Chrisitan nation is irrelevant to the fact that the US is the most Christian centered nation in Western Civilisation. Period. That anyone could consider arguing against that fact strikes me as incredible.

To go further and declare that it is more Muslim orientated than Christian defies any comprehension whatsoever.

And as to grants to churches and mosques, it would be against the separation of church and state as defined in the constitution to do so for those in the US. However, overseas grants made as part of the Amabassadors Fund For Cultural Preservation, some places of religious worship overseas have been given grants. That would include churches as well as mosques.

The first grants were given by President George Bush, under whose tenure, 30 mosques received a donation (as opposed to 13 under Obama).

Now you knw a little more about it than you did when you wrote your post. Or at least I hope you do. Because otherwise someone might get the impression that you were being a little too selective in how you wrote it.
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Hi!

…thank you for your respectful tact…

Christian centered, does that mean that the ruling body is Christian (holding the tenets of Christian Faith and acting according to it)?

My offers were to demonstrate that just because it is held as a Christian centered nation, it cannot be claimed that a Christian government went to war against a non-Christian government.

This is what is at issue.

So I injected with the known practices of our past President and included as a counter measure China… just because a nation upholds Christian belief as legal to be practiced by its citizens does not make the state (government) Christian.

…and yes, I am quite uneducated, so thank you for the tip on pres Bush–I am fully unaware of the org. you’ve cited; I was speaking from what was offered in the news from the Obama’s presidential enactments.

…by the way, how many Christian cathedral were rebuilt by the outreach program during those 40+ mosques’ rebuilding? (It goes to the point of definition–not a Christian state/government.)

…and what I suggested was that in spite of the previous president’s engagements the US cannot be claimed as a Muslin state/government.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
frobert said:
I don’t believe so, but in the our present soundbites and “post-fact checking” age I can understand how you may reached your conclusions.

Semantically, you are correct, we are not a Christian nation but rather a nation with freedom of religion that happens to be greater than 80% self-identified Christians.
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Hi, F!

…the point I was attempting to make is that popular conception or subscription does not necessarily reflects the state (government).

…claiming that Germany was a Christian state or that the US is a Christian state is simplistic and ignores the facts: the people may believe in Yahweh God but the state (government) is divorced from such belief.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
jcrichton said:
Hi, F!

…the point I was attempting to make is that popular conception or subscription does not necessarily reflects the state (government).

…claiming that Germany was a Christian state or that the US is a Christian state is simplistic and ignores the facts: the people may believe in Yahweh God but the state (government) is divorced from such belief.

Maran atha!

Angel
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China, the Soviet Union, and North Korea have all been dominantly atheistic states.

None of them has an immigration problem.

Only the dominantly Christian nations have to struggle with immigrants trying by hook or by crook to enter their borders.

That should tell us immigrants fear dominantly Christian nations a whole lot less than they fear dominantly atheistic ones.
 
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