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eucharisteo
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Thank you. I will also PM you with the same message I send Padrej
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youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV#p/a/u/0/7oONuv59WAs
Here is exactly the kinds of problems we seem to be dealing with that are causing many of us to stumble. If the bishops don’t correct this, then it must be okay. And if this is okay then other things people say must be okay too. After all, if the demons in hell are going to be redeemed in the end then we obviously will be too. So what then does it matter.
The problem with the above statement is that it goes against the teachings of the Church from the very beginning. Only ordained ministers area allowed to give the homily. And heretical statements like given in the deacon’s wife’s “homily”, illicit as it gets, has never been anything close to the teachings of the Catholic Church. Yet, this is only one of many heresies I was subjected to in my youth and why I struggled so much to believe in an institution that didn’t even seem to try to stop it.
Here is exactly the kinds of problems we seem to be dealing with that are causing many of us to stumble. If the bishops don’t correct this, then it must be okay. And if this is okay then other things people say must be okay too. After all, if the demons in hell are going to be redeemed in the end then we obviously will be too. So what then does it matter.
The problem with the above statement is that it goes against the teachings of the Church from the very beginning. Only ordained ministers area allowed to give the homily. And heretical statements like given in the deacon’s wife’s “homily”, illicit as it gets, has never been anything close to the teachings of the Catholic Church. Yet, this is only one of many heresies I was subjected to in my youth and why I struggled so much to believe in an institution that didn’t even seem to try to stop it.
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I think the advice given on the next link that was a letter by another deacon’s wife on this same subject was very appropriate. She said if the Catholic church you attend is espousing this kind of heresy then find another Catholic church that does not.
I would challenge this to go even further as was said in the first video, that you must KNOW your faith and its teachings or else you will put up with any foolish nonsense that may come down the pike (my paraphrase). If the laity do not know the basic tenants of their respective faith then they fall easy prey to ANY heresy and can be pulled away as an easy target for another church.
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The LDS Church is a very active evangelical church. It takes seriously the Great Commission, which is demonstrated by over 50,000 young men and women going on two-year missions annually. In that the LDS Church believes itself to be the restored church of Jesus Christ, it seeks to teach whoever will listen regardless of their religious affiliation. We don’t “target” a religion or church, but we seek those who are willing to listen.
I don’t think Catholics are easy targets and I also don’t think any other church adherent is an easy target. Easy targets are those who are spiritually lost; those who feel alone or feel ignored by their congregations. Also, those who have questions, but cannot find satisfactory answers are also possible converts. In reality, I think anybody who is not active in their chosen religion is a potential candidate for conversion to other churches or religions. If dissatisfaction exists in their life, then they are searching for answers.
I don’t think Catholics are easy targets and I also don’t think any other church adherent is an easy target. Easy targets are those who are spiritually lost; those who feel alone or feel ignored by their congregations. Also, those who have questions, but cannot find satisfactory answers are also possible converts. In reality, I think anybody who is not active in their chosen religion is a potential candidate for conversion to other churches or religions. If dissatisfaction exists in their life, then they are searching for answers.
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Well, this is true. But when there are so many different people purporting to be “experts” that intentionally mislead people. But there are also those that purposefully keep themselves ignorant, like that’s going to work with God in the end. I’m just saying that there are many ways Bishops can get the word out to provide a real place Catholics can go to ask even seemingly dumb questions and get the right answer each and every time.
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Username: knucklehead
Password: slick
Question: Can I sleep with my girlfriend and be okay?
Answer: NO! Thump on the head.
Next question: Remember 3 thumps equals automatic excommunication.
Thank you for playing ask your dumb question.
How about it Padrej: think it’ll work. Just remember I get 50% credit and a life time supply of sacraments.
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Padrej
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What is the definition of “sleep with?” Remember since Bill Clinton we have to be very specific about these things as to what “relations” means.Well, this is true. But when there are so many different people purporting to be “experts” that intentionally mislead people. But there are also those that purposefully keep themselves ignorant, like that’s going to work with God in the end. I’m just saying that there are many ways Bishops can get the word out to provide a real place Catholics can go to ask even seemingly dumb questions and get the right answer each and every time.
Ex.
Username: knucklehead
Password: slick
Question: Can I sleep with my girlfriend and be okay?
Answer: NO! Thump on the head.
Next question: Remember 3 thumps equals automatic excommunication.
Thank you for playing ask your dumb question.
How about it Padrej: think it’ll work. Just remember I get 50% credit and a life time supply of sacraments.
You are correct there are a great deal of “experts” that can lead astray and make of the faithful an easy target. It still boils down to the individual NEEDING to be immersed in God’s word and the historic teachings of the church so as not to fall prey easily.
I can remember when I started working at a bank as my fist job, the first thing they had you do was look at money all day so that you would know how each bill is marked and whose picture should be on it etc. The point was that when a counterfeit came by you it would stand out like a sore thumb. The same applies to the church, you need to be immersed in the word and teachings of the church so as not to fall for the counterfeit.
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eucharisteo
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Yes, I do concede that you are correct. I hear so many Catholic say that they were not allowed to read their bibles and things like that. It makes me believe that even though they’ve been told otherwise they are still trying to hang onto their ignorance card. These are people I avoid once I get what their doing.What is the definition of “sleep with?” Remember since Bill Clinton we have to be very specific about these things as to what “relations” means.
You are correct there are a great deal of “experts” that can lead astray and make of the faithful an easy target. It still boils down to the individual NEEDING to be immersed in God’s word and the historic teachings of the church so as not to fall prey easily.
I can remember when I started working at a bank as my fist job, the first thing they had you do was look at money all day so that you would know how each bill is marked and whose picture should be on it etc. The point was that when a counterfeit came by you it would stand out like a sore thumb. The same applies to the church, you need to be immersed in the word and teachings of the church so as not to fall for the counterfeit.
We met a Cradle Catholic in RCIA that never finished getting confirmed. She went to Catholic schools her whole life she said and said she had never heard this or that. But everything she’d say that about blew my mind because much of it I remember and I didn’t attend Catholic schools until the seminary.
She would tell people she loved being Catholic because she could just roll right out of bed and come as she was…this even though we were constantly informed that it is inappropriate to come to mass without wearing at least casual slacks or dress or whatever.but that wearing sweats and even jeans, though not as bad as sweats, is just not appropriate attire. We were given dress codes of what we should wear even. There are the occasional exceptions for one reason or the other, but it should never be the norm. It sounded like she was trying to keep herself ignorant. She was an accountant so she wasn’t really dumb.
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Now you have hit a chord. I remember growing up Catholic that we were almost discouraged from reading the Bible for ourselves, even though the catechism speaks otherwise. When I got into seminary I asked why some parishes did that in discouraging Bible reading. I found that it tended to be discouraged in areas where there was more Protestant churches that people could flock to. The reason being is they did not want Catholics reading only what the Protestants told them to read thus making them the “easy target.” I think we found that this practice did not work at all as it lead to just the people whom you are speaking of the wonder why the Catholic Church let them down that way.
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Padrej
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I think part of this was also generational. Persons of my parents age of the WWII generation tended not to read a great deal of scripture while their parents and grandparents did. I think I could count on one hand the number of times I saw my father reading the Bible outside of a Sunday school setting. I also remember being ridiculed by him for reading a devotional that was given to me by one of my middle school Sunday School teachers. Made me not want to read the Bible. Made me an easy target too.
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FrJohnB
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Padre this may be part of the mix also. I can remember my parents (of the WWII generation) did not read the Bible either but I do remember their parents, my grandparents, reading it. Maybe we need to look at this a bit closer. I wonder if anyone else had a similar experience.
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eucharisteo
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I started reading my bible right after my first communion in 1977. I was 14 about to turn 15. I remember being told that we are not to read the scriptures alone to learn God’s words. I was young and had very little direction up to this point since my father seemed to never read anything religious, that is when he was around for those 4 or 5 days per month. My stepmom was baptist and married illicitly to him by a rediculously confused priest without my parents marriage being reviewed for a declaration of nullity. Later dad sought it and it was declared that I was a bastard child according to my mother’s interpretation of what had happened. Needless to say it made me feel beyond unwanted and neglected. [Giving just to show a peak of my environment.]
But it wasn’t until my the summer before my junior year in high school that I really went through this amazing conversion experience, combined with my newly second broken home and abandoned to move to the country with my stepmom away from any Catholic Church a year prior, shortly after my first communion. I studied dedicated myself to daily scriptural rosary prayer, never breaking it and daily bible reading. I started with the New Testament and read all the references and their scriptural references. By my senior year I had read the entire new testament and then some as well as the entire old testament. Then I went to the seminary and took Old Testament as well as daily mass readings. It was there when my faith was challenged, as it is now, with illicit renegade ordained and laity maticulously placing stumbling blocks along our path.
I went through a desert for about 4 years, joined the Army and that’s when I began to read scripture again, pray the rosary and the Liturgy of the Hours. Mass was difficult to attend at times with all of my responsibilities as a non-commissioned officer. I ran into my wife, simplified my religious faith probably based on feeling hurt from the clergy that burried my case under the carpet, etc. I fell in love with my evangelical wife who’s father was an elder/bishop and 2 oldest brothers were preachers. They proselytizied me. I even ran away. But then I literally heard a voice speak to me 3 times telling me that it was okay. It was okay to marry her. And shortly after I fell into this fear of losing my soul, confused. Anyway, jumping ahead, I’ve studied scripture rather intently over the following 18 years and by that time I guestimate reading the new testament about 40 to 50 times and the old testament about 3 or 4 times. But there are some books I’ve read far more than that. It helped in my converstion once again with a strong formal education based on historical facts, not made up anti-Catholic rhetoric. I came to realize after a while that the Catholic Church had solid reason to believe and teach it was the original Christian Church founded by Christ. But then I had to deal with the facts that I’ve seen clergy lie through their teeth, which ruined my life, and tried to piece my life together after wards. I have trust issues needless to say. But I try to get past them…
But it wasn’t until my the summer before my junior year in high school that I really went through this amazing conversion experience, combined with my newly second broken home and abandoned to move to the country with my stepmom away from any Catholic Church a year prior, shortly after my first communion. I studied dedicated myself to daily scriptural rosary prayer, never breaking it and daily bible reading. I started with the New Testament and read all the references and their scriptural references. By my senior year I had read the entire new testament and then some as well as the entire old testament. Then I went to the seminary and took Old Testament as well as daily mass readings. It was there when my faith was challenged, as it is now, with illicit renegade ordained and laity maticulously placing stumbling blocks along our path.
I went through a desert for about 4 years, joined the Army and that’s when I began to read scripture again, pray the rosary and the Liturgy of the Hours. Mass was difficult to attend at times with all of my responsibilities as a non-commissioned officer. I ran into my wife, simplified my religious faith probably based on feeling hurt from the clergy that burried my case under the carpet, etc. I fell in love with my evangelical wife who’s father was an elder/bishop and 2 oldest brothers were preachers. They proselytizied me. I even ran away. But then I literally heard a voice speak to me 3 times telling me that it was okay. It was okay to marry her. And shortly after I fell into this fear of losing my soul, confused. Anyway, jumping ahead, I’ve studied scripture rather intently over the following 18 years and by that time I guestimate reading the new testament about 40 to 50 times and the old testament about 3 or 4 times. But there are some books I’ve read far more than that. It helped in my converstion once again with a strong formal education based on historical facts, not made up anti-Catholic rhetoric. I came to realize after a while that the Catholic Church had solid reason to believe and teach it was the original Christian Church founded by Christ. But then I had to deal with the facts that I’ve seen clergy lie through their teeth, which ruined my life, and tried to piece my life together after wards. I have trust issues needless to say. But I try to get past them…
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