Are Catholics encouraged to read the Bible?

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As a former Pentecostal I know first hand how easy it was to sway Catholics away from their faith because they were “bible illiterate”…the part I really regret was convincing them that the Eucharist was only meant to be symbolic…thereby denying them perhaps the greatest gift that they as Catholics had…the real presence…the body… blood…soul and divinity of Jesus Christ…I believe it’s mainly to those Pentecostal/Non Denominational type churches that most “ex” Catholics are lost to…and of course they are the ones mostly that deny the real presence of Christ…and yes the Catholic church should take some blame by not properly catechizing Catholics in their faith and also not emphasizing the importance of scripture reading…although I believe both are strongly encouraged now a days by the church…and it’s also highly probable many Catholics are Catholic in name only so the Bible has never had any real significance or influence in their lives
 
Oh yes, but I do hope you now realize they understand Sacred Scripture in the Catholic context and not in “your own opinion” style. To memorize verses is notable in some ways but to understand the true meaning of them is another, that’s the Catholic difference. God Bless, Memaw
what about just “reading”
not memorizing
not interpretation in “your own opinion” style

quoting from
catholicity.com/commentary/carlin/05386.html

According to the poll, 25 percent of Evangelical Protestants read the Bible daily, as do 20 percent of other Protestants, while daily Bible-reading is done by only 7 percent of Catholics…

“Far more disturbing was the poll result that showed that 44 percent of Catholics “rarely or never” read the Bible, while this is true of only 7 percent of Evangelicals and 13 percent of non-Evangelical Protestants. The level of religious vitality must be very low in a Christian church in which 44 percent of the membership almost never bothers to read the Bible.”

quoting from:
christiantoday.com.au/article/luther.rome.and.the.bible/5255.htm
"Only one in four Italians had read a passage from the Bible in the past year, the survey revealed, compared to three out of four in the USA. Few even knew whether or not the Gospels were part of the Bible. Philosophy graduates confused Paul with Moses and thought that Jesus wrote Genesis, according to the survey. This despite the encouragement of the Second Vatican Council (1962-65) for the faithful to rediscover Scripture as the primary source of spiritual life."
 
Now here on CA, I have found Catholics that seem to know scripture forward, back, inside-out - so please no offense - you guys (and gals) are good.

Coming from a Baptist background to possibly back to the Catholic Church (was baptized Catholic, first communion, RCIA and confirmation) I have noticed one thing - I can’t ever recall someone asking me to read my Bible? Pastor, deacon, CCD teacher. I may be forgetting if it happened, but it sure was not common at best.

Pretty much everything I learned about Christianity came from protestant teaching. As I am getting in to the Catholic Church and talking to several CCD teachers they openly admit they are not comfortable as they don’t know much, and neither does the DRE.

I recently asked our local priest after mass, when he prays that “my sacrifice and yours be made an acceptable offering”, what the “yours” part of the sacrifice was. He had no idea or answer. If you pray without knowing what you are praying, is that not vein repetition?

I am wondering, in practice I don’t see Catholics encouraged to read scripture, and as I go up the ladder it’s not looking better.
“Vain repetition” refers to repeating words as a magic formula, as if God were a vending machine. I don’t know whether that’s what’s going on with your priest, but I certainly prefer to think he knows what he’s doing, but just having trouble explaining it.

“My Sacrifice” (Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross for our sins - the priest is “in persona Christi” at this point, so his words are coming from Jesus) “and yours” (the thanksgiving sacrifice of the bread and wine offered on the Altar in thanks for Christ’s work on the Cross) -this represents our human work joined to God’s creation -God makes the wheat and we make the bread. God makes the grapes and we make the wine. This goes back to the first specifically set apart priest in the Old Testament: Melchizedek, who sacrificed bread and wine on the Altar in thanksgiving for Abraham’s victory. It expresses our human desire to be joined with God, which is fulfilled during the Consecration when Jesus displaces the substances of the bread and wine with the substance of Himself, thus allowing us to receive Him into our bodies in Holy Communion.

I hope this helps.
 
As a former Pentecostal I know first hand how easy it was to sway Catholics away from their faith because they were “bible illiterate”…the part I really regret was convincing them that the Eucharist was only meant to be symbolic…thereby denying them perhaps the greatest gift that they as Catholics had…the real presence…the body… blood…soul and divinity of Jesus Christ…I believe it’s mainly to those Pentecostal/Non Denominational type churches that most “ex” Catholics are lost to…and of course they are the ones mostly that deny the real presence of Christ…and yes the Catholic church should take some blame by not properly catechizing Catholics in their faith and also not emphasizing the importance of scripture reading…although I believe both are strongly encouraged now a days by the church…and it’s also highly probable many Catholics are Catholic in name only so the Bible has never had any real significance or influence in their lives
Excellent observation! It was through studying the Bible that my once anti-Catholic husband came to convert to Catholicism. So yes, Bible illiteracy is very detrimental for Catholics who may think they ‘know’ their faith but can not defend it, apologetics. Saying, the Pope says so, or tradition says so, does not help to defend one’s faith or help evangelize. The Church is likened into a three-legged stool, Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture and the Magisterium.

Fr. Wade L. J. Menezes, CPM
The Three-Legged Stool

The three-legged stool of the Catholic Church consists of: Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and the Magisterium. Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture together make up the Deposit of Faith, handed down by the Apostles to their successors, continuing down the ages to our own day. The Magisterium is the teaching authority of the Church which guards, defends and interprets the Deposit of Faith. The removal of even one of the three causes the collapse of the stool, with the resultant fall of anyone trying to sit on said stool.
 
As a former Pentecostal I know first hand how easy it was to sway Catholics away from their faith because they were “bible illiterate”…the part I really regret was convincing them that the Eucharist was only meant to be symbolic…thereby denying them perhaps the greatest gift that they as Catholics had…the real presence…the body… blood…soul and divinity of Jesus Christ…I believe it’s mainly to those Pentecostal/Non Denominational type churches that most “ex” Catholics are lost to…and of course they are the ones mostly that deny the real presence of Christ…and yes the Catholic church should take some blame by not properly catechizing Catholics in their faith and also not emphasizing the importance of scripture reading…although I believe both are strongly encouraged now a days by the church…and it’s also highly probable many Catholics are Catholic in name only so the Bible has never had any real significance or influence in their lives
I would disagree that Catholics are easy to sway because they are “bible illiterate.” They are in fact “Catholic illiterate.” If they knew what it meant to be a Catholic, and what it meant to be a Protestant, they would be firm Catholics.

I’m sorry to say that even Catholic clergy can be “Catholic illiterate.” That is especially true for younger priests, growing up in that culture.

Converts to Catholicism always gain; viz: Faith, Sacraments, and a whole Theology and Biblical understanding that is complete and balanced.

Converts to Protestantism (from Catholicism) always lose; viz: Faith, Sacraments, and an incomplete, unbalanced theology and biblical understanding.

It is such a Truism that Samuel Johnson in the 18th Century considered Catholic converts to Protestantism to be shallow and temporary. IOW, not sincere converts, but rather converts for convenience. It is still true today. Most Catholic converts to Protestantism are due to perceived injuries whether imagined or real than anything related to theology or the Bible. They have no real view of Catholicism, or they have a culturally Protestant view which means they see it as just another Christian denomination out of many, all of which are just as valid as one another.
 
Now here on CA, I have found Catholics that seem to know scripture forward, back, inside-out - so please no offense - you guys (and gals) are good.

Coming from a Baptist background to possibly back to the Catholic Church (was baptized Catholic, first communion, RCIA and confirmation) I have noticed one thing - I can’t ever recall someone asking me to read my Bible? Pastor, deacon, CCD teacher. I may be forgetting if it happened, but it sure was not common at best.

Pretty much everything I learned about Christianity came from protestant teaching. As I am getting in to the Catholic Church and talking to several CCD teachers they openly admit they are not comfortable as they don’t know much, and neither does the DRE.

I recently asked our local priest after mass, when he prays that “my sacrifice and yours be made an acceptable offering”, what the “yours” part of the sacrifice was. He had no idea or answer. If you pray without knowing what you are praying, is that not vein repetition?

I am wondering, in practice I don’t see Catholics encouraged to read scripture, and as I go up the ladder it’s not looking better.
I love these questions of yours Markie. 🙂

Are we encouraged? Certainly! Do Catholics Read the Bible?

I think you’ll find that the stats are almost the same. Poll: Non-Catholics & Bible reading

Most modern Catholic Bibles have a copy of Dei verbum in the front and a section that reiterates the plenary indulgence that the church has placed on reading the Bible. You can’t really get a lot more encouraging than that. Check this out…
 
I am 80 years old and I still have many old Bible Study books used in Catholic schools as I grew up. We did learn Sacred Scripture and learned it as well as we wanted to. Sad to say many may not have been that interested,( like kids still are today about learning) . It wasn’t “drummed” into our heads to memorize certain verses as that isn’t really necessary to understand Scripture. The Church doesn’t take them out of context t!! People can be easily swayed if they don’t take what they learn seriously enough but I really believe a lot of fallen away Catholics are finding out that the “grass” is NOT greener on the other side of the fence, in fact it may be a little tasteless, “Watered Down”, confusing, weak and empty. Many are returning HOME. I know many who have. And like someone already noted, many protestants are becoming Catholic after they discover the same thing, especially protestant preachers!!! Which is really remarkable!!! God Bless, Memaw
 
I love these questions of yours Markie. 🙂

Are we encouraged? Certainly! Do Catholics Read the Bible?

I think you’ll find that the stats are almost the same. Poll: Non-Catholics & Bible reading

Most modern Catholic Bibles have a copy of Dei verbum in the front and a section that reiterates the plenary indulgence that the church has placed on reading the Bible. You can’t really get a lot more encouraging than that. Check this out…
Thanks Church Militant - sometimes I am afraid you’d want to smack me with a wooden ruler if we were closer:) - but you come back with kind, open perspective.

Checked out the Poll, is there a comparable one for Catholics?

Have a great day and God Bless!:blessyou:
 
As a DRE I’m quite shocked that your DRE doesn’t know Scripture well.
The process for me getting my job was grueling.
I have a fair bit of education in Catholic Theology.

Perhaps you could be instrumental in having the parish purchase some great Biblical study/video series.
For the good of the entire parish. Your pastor could facilitate it.
We always complain that collections and attendance go down in the summer months But really…we shut down everything. We’ve found (for our parish) that summer is the perfect time to have such series. We start with a cookout by the K of C, or a pot luck, and them segue into the Bible series, with something else offered for the young children in another part of the building.
People love it.

Mu point is, one can’t fault people if they don’t have leadership in this area, good solid Catholic interpretation, as Memaw says

The children should be well stepped through their catechism classes, if not, there’s another problem.
Best wishes!
 
I don’t think Catholic lay people were ever absolutely banned from reading Church-approved Bibles on their own but for some time an interested Catholic lay person needed his/her bishop’s permission to read the Bible on their own, at least since the Council of Trent in the mid-1500s. However, by the early 1800s, the need for such permission seems to have already been dispensed with in some countries, at least in the United Kingdom by the time Haydock’s Catholic Bible began to be published in 1811 and by 1859 in the United States when the American version, Haydock’s Catholic Family Bible and Commentary, was published.

To encourage certain pious practices among the Catholic faithful, Catholic Church sometimes grants indulgence for them. In 1898, Pope Leo XIII granted Catholics a partial indulgence for piously reading the Gospels for at least a quarter of an hour; a full indulgence if the practice of reading the Gospels for at least a quarter of an hour each day continued for a month. In 1968, to encourage Bible reading even more, Pope Paul VI modified the conditions of that indulgence so that now Catholics can gain a full indulgence for piously reading the Bible for at least half an hour; a partial indulgence for reading it a shorter time. (Note: Certain other general conditions must also be met to gain these and other indulgences, such sacramental confession, Eucharistic communion, praying for the pope’s intentions, etc.) So, since 1898, and certain since 1968, the popes have encouraged lay Catholics to read the Bible.
 
I have recently returned to the Church and to God after decades in darkness. I started back at Mass and participating in Communion.
The first time I spoke to a priest , he asked if I had a bible and said to read even just one sentence or paragraph a day. Given its language and concepts might be a bit overwhelming at first.

It took about 4-6wks to work out the Sacrament of Confession was called Reconcilliation these days. 😇 And yes , i would have been taking the Eucharist in mortal sin in those weeks, accumulated over decades. But no one judged me or said anything. I was given a bible and different prayer cards and free blessed rosaries. I had no idea.
During my third or fourth reconcilliation, my priest said to start reading the bible, starting with the Gospels.

God bless us on our journey home.
 
Now here on CA, I have found Catholics that seem to know scripture forward, back, inside-out - so please no offense - you guys (and gals) are good.

Coming from a Baptist background to possibly back to the Catholic Church (was baptized Catholic, first communion, RCIA and confirmation) I have noticed one thing - I can’t ever recall someone asking me to read my Bible? Pastor, deacon, CCD teacher. I may be forgetting if it happened, but it sure was not common at best.

Pretty much everything I learned about Christianity came from protestant teaching. As I am getting in to the Catholic Church and talking to several CCD teachers they openly admit they are not comfortable as they don’t know much, and neither does the DRE.

I recently asked our local priest after mass, when he prays that “my sacrifice and yours be made an acceptable offering”, what the “yours” part of the sacrifice was. He had no idea or answer. If you pray without knowing what you are praying, is that not vein repetition?

I am wondering, in practice I don’t see Catholics encouraged to read scripture, and as I go up the ladder it’s not looking better.
I used to have a Confessor, possibly the world’s greatest Confessor and I did confession face to face. His name was Father Tim, well actually I think it is still Father Tim. When I went to Father time for a confession, he would always give me a Bible verse to read as penance. even my former Pastor the guy who baptized me told me to read the Bible. I’ve never been told not to read the Bible in fact most priest I have talked to have mentioned how important reading scripture is. My former Pastor, who is from Nigeria and I were having a conversation about how Catholics need to read the Bible because it’s our book. I think that maybe some people were told some of the criticism of Sola scriptura and took that to mean they weren’t supposed to read the Bible. If Catholics were not allowed to read the Bible I wouldn’t have gotten my niece (who is not yet baptized but, that’s up to her parents not up to me) a Bible for Christmas. I even had a priest bless it.
 
Agreed about the Ignatius Bible. 🙂 I wish the OT would come out today. lol

Once again we do need to emphasize that the Catholic Church does not believe in Sola Scriptura (nor does the bible itself) nor in self-interpretation. In her wisdom she realizes that it is easy to be lead astray by ones own opinions/interpretations, pulling things out of context etc. etc.
AMEN!! I have visited MANY lovely Catholic Churches with beautiful stained glass windows teaching us many Bible beliefs. Some of these Churches are over 100 years old. I told a pastor one time that I could bring my CCD class here and teach them their faith with the windows,and he said that was the intention for them in the beginning, To teach those who couldn’t read. God Bless, Memaw
 
Thanks Church Militant - sometimes I am afraid you’d want to smack me with a wooden ruler if we were closer:) - but you come back with kind, open perspective.

Checked out the Poll, is there a comparable one for Catholics?

Have a great day and God Bless!:blessyou:
Sure is! At least 2 in fact.
Poll: Catholics and the Bible:Update

Poll: How often do you read the Bible?

Hey you are always respectful and honest in the stuff you ask and I can’t take issue with that.👍

You keep digging and you’ll soon be home where you belong.
 
Do Catholics need to read the Bible more? Yes.

Is there a bible exam at the gates of heaven? No.

Should church resemble a bible study? Not exactly.

Scripture is certainly important. Yet, Jesus said the publican sinner who was repentant was more justified than the well-versed Pharisee.
 
Born and raised Southern Baptist–45 years. I know the Bible inside and out. I’m joining the Catholic Church this Easter so I can help out with the effort to get them up to speed Biblically.

If you are a Biblical expert and have an affinity for the Catholic Church, come on in and join the reformation. 🙂

I have noticed that almost every Catholic apologist I know of started as a Protestant. Many were in seminary or already pastors when they became Catholic. Tim Staples, Jimmy Akin, Peter Kreeft, Mark Shea, Scott Hahn, etc.
  1. Get a Catholic bible - if you do not already have one. Those Deuterocanonical (anticipatory of Christ) books are in there for excellent reason. Get several translations: Douay-Rheims, Knox, 1941-1969 Confraternity, RSV-CE or 2CE, Revised English Bible w/Apocrypha. To generalize, ever notice that Baptists “may” tend to know more about less of the bible while Catholics know less about more of the bible? Just saying.
  2. As mentioned, Catholics are even granted an indulgence for scripture reading - combined with the Sacrament of Penance and reception of the Holy Eucharist. Praise God!
  3. EVERYONE in this thread (who has not read it) needs to read Where We Got The Bible by Henry Graham - Presbyterian convert and Bishop. The old canard about the laity being denied the scriptures is pure nonsense when take in context.
 
So I have to say that Markie’s parish appears to be in need of serious catechesis, to include the bible. We were encouraged to read the scriptures often in RCIA and our priests(there are 4 in our parish) all regularly encourage it as well.

So I don’t actually know what the norm is the CC in America…is it Markie’s parish our my parish or somewhere in between?

Love your questions, brother Markie. As my pastor told me recently, the Church is in CONSTANT need of reform from within. He reads the stuff from the Vatican and diocese and he says that is always emphasized, lately. So we know house cleaning is in order.
 
Yes, there was a period of time when Catholics were discouraged, to some extent, from reading the Bible. OTOH, the Bible was in every Church for anyone to read.

What one needs to understand is that a tradition of reading the Bible did not spring up in the Church for 3/4 of its history because Bibles were rare and incredibly expensive, being copied by hand. Once the printing press came into use, there were many versions of the Bible, who knew how accurate?

And we had the example of the Protestants, who were at that point splitting like peas, all through personal interpretation of the Bible, which the Bible tells us St Peter warned against.

What are the important points for Catholics to know about their Faith? The *teachings, *that which Christ came to give us. Inexpensive catechsims so that anyone could learn the truths of their Faith abounded. And those parts of the Bible considered important by the Church were proclaimed every day in the churches at Mass.

Not everyone needs to be a theologian or Bible scholar to be a faithful Catholic. Poor, illiterate souls have become martyrs and saints for Christ.
What period of time and where?
I have my grandfather’s Bible, printed in 1898, with the imprimatur AND the indulgence given for reading the Bible.

I keep hearing about this ‘time’ where Bible reading was discouraged, but my mother (born 1929) and my sibs and I (born 1950s) certainly read it, received Bibles in our elementary schools, etc.

I never hear anything specific though, like, “in 1930, in the diocese of Little Rock, the bishop forbade Bible reading among the people”. . .
 
So I have to say that Markie’s parish appears to be in need of serious catechesis, to include the bible. We were encouraged to read the scriptures often in RCIA and our priests(there are 4 in our parish) all regularly encourage it as well.

So I don’t actually know what the norm is the CC in America…is it Markie’s parish our my parish or somewhere in between?

Love your questions, brother Markie. As my pastor told me recently, the Church is in CONSTANT need of reform from within. He reads the stuff from the Vatican and diocese and he says that is always emphasized, lately. So we know house cleaning is in order.
I spoke to a former seminary student who is a friend of mine, and it sounds like in our diocese, our parish is more the norm than not. When I wrote the diocese I get little or no response. Can’t say for other diocese around us.

“As my pastor told me recently, the Church is in CONSTANT need of reform from within. He reads the stuff from the Vatican and diocese and he says that is always emphasized, lately. So we know house cleaning is in order.” - thanks for sharing this, makes me feel like I am not totally off base.

And for Bible - I have an RSV “The Didache Bible” with commentaries based on the CCC. Prefer it to the NAB.

Have a great day all!
 
What period of time and where?
I have my grandfather’s Bible, printed in 1898, with the imprimatur AND the indulgence given for reading the Bible.

I keep hearing about this ‘time’ where Bible reading was discouraged, but my mother (born 1929) and my sibs and I (born 1950s) certainly read it, received Bibles in our elementary schools, etc.

I never hear anything specific though, like, “in 1930, in the diocese of Little Rock, the bishop forbade Bible reading among the people”. . .
The “time” when Bible reading was cautioned against (never forbidden) was in the days before the printing press (1300s-1400s,) and vernacular bibles were just beginning to appear in Europe. There was NEVER a caution against reading the Vulgate (which was in Latin)

The fact of the matter is that illiteracy was the norm in those days. Therefore if someone had the education (which ALWAYS) included Latin, they might read the Bible.

But beginning with Wycliffe’s vernacular translation into middle English – a translation that had never been approved by anyone in the Church-- it became necessary to instruct Catholics to read only those vernacular translations which were approved by their bishop.

For illiterate Catholics the problem was moot. They didn’t know how to read.

Since the invention of the Printing Press, and the subsequent vernacular translations that began to appear, indeed, flood the market, it became even more worrisome, as this time frame coincides with the Reformation and Protestant translations of the Bible, which at the time were spurious and downright mistranslated to promote their doctrines.

However, in Catholic countries like France, Italy, Spain and Eastern Europe, vernacular translations were common even in this time period, and had the approval of the bishops. England was another matter, being a Protestant country (excepting for the brief reign of Queen Mary.) A Catholic translation of the Bible in English did not appear until 1582 (NT) and 1609 (OT) because they were outlawed and forbidden in Protestant England. Proof of this fact is that Catholic Bibles had to be printed in Catholic countries on the Continent and then smuggled into England. During this time it might be supposed that Catholics in England were discouraged or even forbidden to read the omnipresent Geneva Bible, or Bishops Bible, or other English Protestant Bibles. But once the Catholic Bible appeared it was eagerly read by English Catholics. It had the approval of the Catholic authority, and was NEVER forbidden. (So in England, beginning in 1582, Catholics were able and encouraged to read the Bible.) Catholic Bibles continued to appear, during those penal years in England, with the most famous revision by Bishop Challoner in the mid-1700s, for the benefit of his persecuted flock in England.

So the whole idea of Catholics being forbidden to read the Bible is mainly a Protestant exaggeration of what has a kernel of Truth in it. But again, this is mainly an English phenomenon rather than say a French, Italian, Spanish or Eastern European one, where vernacular versions of the Bible pre-dated the English one by many years, decades, and even centuries! Recall that Spain and Portugal (both Catholic Countries) had colonized most of the known globe by this time, and brought their vernacular bibles with them. One might even say that Catholic Bibles outweighed Protestant ones on a Global scale. 😉
 
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