Are Catholics required to pray to the saints?

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Hello everyone,

I come from a protestant background and am having trouble with the idea of praying to the saints. I was wondering if the Catholic Church requires its members to pray to the saints? Also, I heard something about selecting a saint or two to model after the RCIA is over. Can you please explain this? Thanks very much. God Bless!
Hi, well all we do is we ask the Saints to pray for us to God… just like you ask your Christian friends to pray for you! the only difference is that the Saints are in Heaven… but we are all one in Christ and we are united by the Holy Spirit 🙂

I converted from Protestantism too but really as you learn more about this, it begins to make more sense 🙂

many people choose a patron Saint when they become Catholic, - sort of like your Saint friend who prays for you 😉
 
To be quite honest in answering your question, I had never thought about praying to a family member or friend who I thought was in Heaven. True they are in a state of grace that is far greater than that which I am an and yes they are closer to God than I could be in my current sinful state. But the argument that many Catholics use of Revelation 4-8 where it says that the prayers of the saints were offered to God, I had been taught that those beings that were presenting the prayers were representative of Christ’s disciples all over the earth, that anyone of us could approach the throne of God because of what Christ did for us on the cross.

Other questions that continually pops into my mind is “what is the point of praying to someone and asking them to pray for me when I could spend that time in devotion and prayer to God himself?” Also, even if the beings that were presenting the prayers to God are not symbolic for the disciples of Christ across the world and really were the saints in Heaven and Angels, why would I want to address my prayers to someone else if the prayers still end up on the doorstep of God? I think of it like writing a letter to my grandmother. I send the letter via the mail with her address on the envelope; I don’t put the address of the mailman and then ask him to take it to her. Its already his job to carry the mail. Why wouldn’t it be the same with the Saints and Angels? Couldn’t it be that it is their job to carry my prayers to the Lord, but they are always to be addressed the God? I hope this makes sense.
While the Church does not mandate that we personally seek the intercession of the Blessed Mother or any of the Saints, there definitely are practical consequences if one - even admitting the legitimacy of the practice - refuses to do so.

Those who seek Mary’s intercession. e.g., know that that her intercession and that of our brothers and sisters, the Saints, brings an ever-deepening awareness and love of God. Far from distracting us from love of the Most Holy Trinity, our unity within the Communion of Saints only fosters greater attentiveness to living faithfully in His Light. I very much like what “Fr. Mateo” wrote in “Refuting the Attack on Mary” (available through CAF): “I reassure anyone who cares: Devotion to Mary brings us closer to Christ and does the job more quickly than ignoring her does.”

Also, asking the intercession of the Saints is realistic humility. God hears everyone’s prayers; He does not thereby grant all that He hears - just as a human father hears all the child pleas of his offspring, but does not always grant them. God grants the prayers of the Just, since they are in a position to be heard and accommodated, their will already being in sync with His. The faithful on earth are quite aware (or should be!) that they are not as pure as the Saints in Heaven. Good Christians are not in a state of sin, but they realistically know they are far from being perfectly in union with God’s will, but those in heaven are.

And we are human; which means that we are all in this boat together and not isolated individuals. It is therefore according to our nature created by God to do things together for a common purpose. It is our love for one another that impels us to pray for one another and to want others to pray for us. The Saints are our brothers and sisters who are in God’s Presence; but some people don’t like this interdependence.

The Christian Tradition from the beginning declares that the interest of the Saints in Heaven in our regard will be increased a hundredfold, because they will realize then more fully our needs and necessities. St. Jerome (350-420) is a striking witness to this fact. He writes:
“If the Apostles and martyrs, whilst still in the flesh and still needing to care for themselves, can pray for others, how much more will they pray for others after they have won their crowns, victories, their triumphs. Moses, one man, obtains God’s pardon for six hundred thousand men, and Stephen prays for his persecutors. When they are with Christ will they be less powerful? St. Paul says that two hundred and sixty-six souls were granted to his prayers, whilst they were in the ship with him. Shall we close his lips after death, and not mutter a syllable for those who throughout the world have believed in his gospel?” (Adv. Vigil, 6)
 
Hello dje, I’m a convert too. I’ve faced the EXACT same problems with the Doctrine of Communion of the Saints as you are expressing here in this thread, so I’ll add some comments that will hopefully be helpful.

A little bit about me: I was received into the Church two years ago after an exceedingly difficult ten year long conversion process. I was very, very glad to finally become Catholic. Prior to converting, I strongly questioned pretty much every Catholic Doctrine which I encountered, including this one about the Saints.

I am certainly NOT an expert in anything, but I do understand where you’re coming from because I’ve been where you are right now. I’ve quoted some parts of your posts that I would like to talk to you about.
Hello everyone,

I come from a protestant background and am having trouble with the idea of praying to the saints. I was wondering if the Catholic Church requires its members to pray to the saints?
I totally understand. I was raised as an Adventist, so the idea that souls are alive in the presence of the Lord God was something which was completely alien to me. I was indoctinated from the time I was born to believe in “soul sleep” (basically when you die your soul “sleeps” with your body, or simply disappears until the return of Lord Jesus). So, for me the whole problem was a bit worse. I didn’t have even the basic ability to believe that the Saints were still alive and could intercede for us.

I think that the most important piece of advice that I can give to you is to pray in the presence of the Eucahrist. Tell the Lord God, Jesus Christ, that you can’t really believe this Doctrine unless He gives you the Grace to believe it (and by the way, He already knows that you can’t believe it). That’s what I had to do. Not only with this Doctrine but with all of them. I am fully Catholic now because God gave me the Faith as a gift. Yes, you must still study. That’s how you show that you are cooperating with the Grace to believe, seems like. On the other hand, you can study for your whole life, but if you never desire and receive the gift of faith, you will never really believe.

This is the only supernatural religion on the planet. Your natural mind is not sufficient. Your natural faith is not sufficient. It is all a gift to you from God.
But why would I WANT to pray to a saint. If God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, why would I want to go through a saint when scripture makes it clear that I can just pray to God?
The Kingdom of God is the Family of God. You don’t ignore your family. They are there to help you. God, being the only good Father, uses His children to do good things for His Family. Yes, He is more than able to act on His own, but what Father isn’t pleased to give the ability to help to one of His children and then see them help their siblings in His name?

He poured out Himself for you. Being Christian is to pour out yourself to Him and for Him. You pour yourself out in love for those around you in His name and by His grace. You are slowly perfected in grace to become conformed to the image of Christ, the only begotten Son. Being a Christian, would you rush to help your brother who is in great peril? Of course you would. And when in the presence of your Lord and Creator, being perfected in His Grace, you will not fail to continue to pour yourself out in love for your brothers and sisters who are in great peril of losing their souls to hell forever, and this is only possible after being completely united to and perfected in the Will of God. Your will becomes as His Will is. Your love becomes as His Love is. Your power to help those around you comes only from complete submission to the Power of Him Who made you. Will you refuse to intercede for your siblings? Of course not. That would be such an inconceivably huge lack of charity that it boggles the mind to consider it.

No, the Saints of the Most High God are not powerless to help you save your soul from hell. They are your elder brothers and sisters, and they love you more now than had they known you in the flesh as a part of their earthly families.
 
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so if praying to the saints is biblical, then why didn’t the apostles pray to God alone in the NT. The same can also be said about everyone in the OT. they all prayed to God alone.
This is a very protestant thing to say. I understand. I said the exact same thing.

Firstly, Consider 2 Peter 1: 13,14, &15. Is he referring to the “tent” of where he currently is, or is he referring to the “tent” of his body? Jesus showed him that he must soon depart it.
“I shall also make every effort to enable you always to remember these things after my departure.” St. Alphonsus teaches this as a clear belief that St. Peter knows that he will intercede for them after he dies and “make every effort to enable” them to remember.

That’s a very interesting point. I never thought that St. Peter meant anything other than what the natural mind understands by reading that verse, but Christianity is nothing less than supernatural. Sacred Scripture always seems to have two interpretations: the natural and easy to see…and the supernatural and impossible to see (on your own).

Before you or anyone else jumps up and down on this interpretation given by a Doctor of the Church, consider what St. Peter says a bit later in verse 20 and 21: “Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation”.

The entire Bible is prophecy. It is breathed by God. Every word. It is not subject to private interpretation. Ever. Thank God for that. I drove myself nuts trying to interpret it. You always end up disregarding something in favor of something else when it comes to personal interpretation.

Secondly, consider these things:
What is the pillar and foundation of Truth? (1 Timothy 3:15) So then, let her truly be your pillar and foundation. Trust her more than yourself.

The reality is this: God did not leave you a book in order to save your soul from hell. No, He left you His own spotless bride. She is the only trustworthy Church out of all those organizations which claim to be churches. Trust her. She belongs to Him. And you belong to Him through Her. Period. No one can have God as his Father without having the Church as his Mother.

The new testament is God Breathed, but it does not contain all things pertaining to Christianity. Even St. Paul warns them to hold on to the traditions which he taught them. Why weren’t these traditions written down in Sacred Scripture if they were so important that St. Paul should tell them to “hold on” to them? Not everything which you need is contained in the Bible, though everything which the Bible contains is truly beneficial.

One example is the Marian Dogmas. They gave me fits for quite a long time. Now, thanks be to God, they are among the most glorious things I could ever have known. One Saint (St. Alphonsus, I think) wrote all that ever need to be said about the Virgin Mary in Sacred Scripture was that Jesus was “born of the Virgin Mary”. Nothing else needed to be said. Those five words contain all the glories of Mary, Ever-Virgin. Once you see it, you can’t not see it for what it is. But She too is a gift to you from God. You can’t really believe until you are able to receive Her as a gift from Jesus.
but I have a hard time directing my prayers to anyone but God. Does that make a little bit of sense?
It is very good that you bring this point up. Protestantism has only one form of prayer: Prayer to God. You were never taught that there was any other type of prayer. Neither was I.

The reality is that God ALONE receives our prayers of adoration. The Catholic Church teaches that it is a mortal sin to offer a prayer of adoration to anyone but God. If you offer adoration to a Saint, you have sinned greviously. You do not ever adore a creature in the place of God.

Now that we know for certain that there is a line which you must never cross, we can examine other types of prayer. Historically, the word “pary” wasn’t relegated only to religion. We know that a few centuries ago in England that it wasn’t uncommong to ask a favor of someone by using the words, “I pray thee”. The Church is very, very old. She is not limited to modern understanding of the limits of the word “pray”. When used in this manner, the word “pray” simply means “to ask”. This is not adoration.

When a Catholic says, “I prayed to God this morning, and then I prayed to St. Gemma,” the protestant hears “I prayed to God, and then I worshipped a creature in His place thus committing a grevious sin.” However, what this Catholic means is “I adored my God this morning as is right and good for me, His creature, to do, and then I asked one of His children, my sister, St. Gemma (who was saved from hell by God and is alive forever in His presence) to pray for me too (because I know that as a redeemed child of God she loves me like Christ loves me). I need all the help I can get.” The words used are “prayed” and “prayed”. Or to make it more clear “Prayed”(capital ‘P’ to emphasize adoration) and “prayed” (small ‘p’ to show it as a simple request from one sibling to another).

But protestants do not have the theological categories with which to recognize all of this, so all that is left is for them to condemn that which has been ordained by God for the helpl of His children simply because it is fitting for one sibling to help another.
 
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Also, I heard something about selecting a saint or two to model after the RCIA is over. Can you please explain this? Thanks very much. God Bless!
Yeah. St. Christopher is my patron Saint. I took his name during my confimation. His legend speaks volumes to me about Christianity, and I would like to live out my Christian life in a similar manner. I do need heros. Christ is our goal, but I need to see how other people like me have tread the path of sanctity. I need to see how my older brothers and sisters have overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil by the power of Jesus Christ. I am small and weak, so I need to look and see what the lives of the Saints were like. Seeing their struggles, their failures, their repentance, is so important for me. Their examples are a help. Their examples are the examples of confoming sinful lives to the sinless life of Christ. Many of them comitted horrible sins just like I have. I want and need to see how they overcame. I need to see that I am not alone in being the biggest sinner who has ever lived and then have hope in my God in the face of my failures just like the Saints have hoped.

It is not bad to accept and to study the lives of the siblings given to you by God.

In some mysterious way you can see an example there in my first post to you of an imperfect reflection of the Communion of the Saints (though I’m certainly no Saint). I said, " I do understand where you’re coming from because I’ve been where you are right now". In that way, I can help like others cannot. This is kind of like how the Saints help us. Couldn’t you go straight to God for the answers to your objections to this Doctrine? Yes of course you can, but you came here too and we will help you because we’ve been where you are, we’ve faced what you’re facing, and in some small way we’ve overcome what is bearing down on you now. In this way you can see a small and very imperfect, natural, reflection of the meaning contained in thegreat, perfect, and supernatural Communion of the Saints.

I hope that some of what I’ve posted here helps you in some small way.

Pray for me,
Andrew
 
[meant to edit this in to my previous post, but ran out of time]

It isn’t that only certain Saints can help us. It is that we relate more easily to those who have been through what we’re facing. We are flesh and blood and Spirit. We are in peril of losing ourselves forever to the fires of hell which we so richly deserve. Almighty God has once again condescended to reach down to us and help us where we are by giving us siblings which, in our weakness, we can relate to and have hope that when we are overcome with feelings of sinfulness and fear approaching our gentle Lord we can always approach our gentle brothers and sisters with feeble confidence. They have all been where we are. They understand. Although it is hard for us to understand our God, it is much easier to understand His children who have gone before us.

Pray for me,
Andrew
 
[meant to edit this in to my previous post, but ran out of time]

It isn’t that only certain Saints can help us. It is that we relate more easily to those who have been through what we’re facing. We are flesh and blood and Spirit. We are in peril of losing ourselves forever to the fires of hell which we so richly deserve. Almighty God has once again condescended to reach down to us and help us where we are by giving us siblings which, in our weakness, we can relate to and have hope that when we are overcome with feelings of sinfulness and fear approaching our gentle Lord we can always approach our gentle brothers and sisters with feeble confidence. They have all been where we are. They understand. Although it is hard for us to understand our God, it is much easier to understand His children who have gone before us.

Pray for me,
Andrew
Thank you for your excellent explanations. I guess this is one of those hurdles that I’m going to really work on. My last youth pastor was very anti-catholic as is my brother. And, since my brother (who is anti-catholic though not in a rude way) and I usually agree during our discussion of God, this is unfamiliar territory for me with no one else going in. At least, that’s how it feels. I’ve been fighting thoughts of “what if the CC IS the real church of Jesus” for about a year or two now, off and on. Its only been the last few months that I’ve said, “That’s it, I can’t stand it anymore. I’ve got to find out what they believe.” I can’t imagine doing this for 10 years like you. Thank you for you (name removed by moderator)ut. God bless.
 
Thank you for your excellent explanations. I guess this is one of those hurdles that I’m going to really work on. My last youth pastor was very anti-catholic as is my brother. And, since my brother (who is anti-catholic though not in a rude way) and I usually agree during our discussion of God, this is unfamiliar territory for me with no one else going in. At least, that’s how it feels. I’ve been fighting thoughts of “what if the CC IS the real church of Jesus” for about a year or two now, off and on. Its only been the last few months that I’ve said, “That’s it, I can’t stand it anymore. I’ve got to find out what they believe.” I can’t imagine doing this for 10 years like you. Thank you for you (name removed by moderator)ut. God bless.
You’re welcome. I would say that what I’ve learned has been a hard won battle, but the reality is that it is all by the Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ through the wonderful intercession of Our Blessed Mother, our Lady of Sorrows, the Queen of Heaven.* [heh, when I was a protestant, I would never have believed that I would ever say something like what I just said. These things require study, but it is all by Grace, the free gift of God to those who would believe]]]*

I only have two pieces of advice for you:
1. Pray. Pray to God to show you all Truth. Pray for the Grace to believe that which is unbelievable by your own natural faith. Pray for the desire to be faithful to what He reveals to you. Pray and ask Him if He is really and truly present in the Most Holy Eucharist. Tell Him that you want to know and believe in the truth, no matter the cost to your personal and professional life. Tell Him that you want to be there where He is. Ask Him to show you how to love Him like He loves you no matter the cost. After all, if He is truly hiding Himself under the veil of the Eucharist, wouldn’t you run to Him in order to receive Him? Wouldn’t you come and lay down before Him and weep while you wordlessly bear your heart to the One Who made you for Himself and for no other reason? Wouldn’t you find yourself driving the long way home just to drive by the parish where His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinty are substantially present just so you could be near Him if only for a moment?

2. Study, but never trust any protestant sources of information about what the Roman Catholic Church teaches. It sounds horrible, but it’s true. Do not trust protestant books or websites about the teachings or history of the Catholic Church.*** I learned this the hard way.*** One thing which is evident to me is that even the most well-intentioned protestent has NO CLUE about the true nature of Catholic Doctrine. They will repeat lies about things which are easy to verify. It really is shocking. I know that many of them don’t mean to be involved in spreading blatant lies, but regardless of their intentions that’s exactly what they’re doing. Some Catholics don’t really have a clue either, so be careful.

If you do get some information from protestant source, always, always check it with at the very least a couple of neutral sources if not with the Catholic Church herself.

**Regarding #2: During my difficult time of becoming Catholic and wrestling with many, many issues I have come to the firm opinion that going to a protestant source to find out information about the Catholic Church would be like you going to my ex-wife to find out information about me. Would the information you receive be accurate? Uh…no. I am hated by her, and unreasonably so. She is not concerned with accurate portrayals of my character. In fact, the more outrageous she makes me look, the more gleefully she will impart her information. *[as a side note, she doesn’t actually hate me like this anymore, but it is still a useful analogy]]] *This is how I have come to view protestant sources of information about the Catholic Church. Always, always double check the information with the Church herself, or at least a truly neutral party (such as a neutral historian or two…or three).

In the mean time, I commit you in my heart to Our Lady of Sorrows. I hope you continue praying and studying and cooperating with Grace until God brings you home.

It’s home. You belong here.

Pray for me,
Andrew
 
Thank you for your excellent explanations. I guess this is one of those hurdles that I’m going to really work on. My last youth pastor was very anti-catholic as is my brother. And, since my brother (who is anti-catholic though not in a rude way) and I usually agree during our discussion of God, this is unfamiliar territory for me with no one else going in. At least, that’s how it feels. I’ve been fighting thoughts of “what if the CC IS the real church of Jesus” for about a year or two now, off and on. Its only been the last few months that I’ve said, “That’s it, I can’t stand it anymore. I’ve got to find out what they believe.” I can’t imagine doing this for 10 years like you. Thank you for you (name removed by moderator)ut. God bless.
DJE…Colos gave you excellent advice and insight. May only add this.

In your journey of investigating the Church, keep an open mind and remove all your biases that were ingrained in you. And surrender to God to lead you where He wants you to, and soon, He will open doors for you.
 
All prayers are to God.
Not true. A prayer is a request. Not all requests go to God.

For example,

Hamlet Act 1, Scene II
QUEEN GERTRUDE
Code:
Let not thy mother lose her prayers, Hamlet: 
**I pray thee**, stay with us; go not to Wittenberg.
Code:
I shall in all my best obey you, madam.
The Queen’s prayer is clearly addressed to Hamlet.

My 4 year old quite earnestly prayed to me last night when she wanted some extra cookies for her evening snack.

The same holds true when we ask someone ( a friend, a pastor, a saint) to pray for us to God.

That itself is a prayer and it is directed to the friend\pastor\saint
 
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