Are Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses Christian?

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mackbrislawn said:
What if one were to say, “God is flesh.” What would that mean?
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I would say that “God” is the subject, “is” is the linking verb, and “flesh” is the subject complement.
Linking verbs connect the subject of the verb to additional information about the subject.
 
jane_doe said:
Why do you take “God is Spirit” to mean “God is a spirit”, but not take “God is light” to mean “God is a photon of light”?
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Because scripture supports scripture. You can’t build a case on one singular verse out of the Bible, in order to find the true meaning of a verse in question, you must get a consensus using the whole Bible. The consensus is, that God the Father is a spirit without flesh, blood, and bones. The verses I gave you in post #494 are only a small sample of those verses that demonstrate my opinion on the matter.
 
jane_doe said:
Why do you take “God is Spirit” to mean “God is a spirit”, but not take “God is light” to mean “God is a photon of light”?
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Romans 8:15-16
15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16**The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit **that we are God’s children.

John 4:24:
24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

It all pieces together perfectly.
 
JMM1957 said:
Because scripture supports scripture. You can’t build a case on one singular verse out of the Bible, in order to find the true meaning of a verse in question, you must get a consensus using the whole Bible. The consensus is, that God the Father is a spirit without flesh, blood, and bones. The verses I gave you in post #494 are only a small sample of those verses that demonstrate my opinion on the matter.
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Looking at the various verses you posted for further evidence of the Father being a Spirit—
JMM1957 said:
Romans 8:15-16
15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16**The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit **that we are God’s children.
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Referring to the Spirit, not Father.
JMM1957 said:
John 4:24:
24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”
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Redundant verse (this was the start of your case).
JMM1957 said:
1 Timothy 6:16
“who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light,** whom no man has seen or can see** To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.”
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Doesn’t say anything about the Father being a spirit.
JMM1957 said:
1 Timothy 1:17
“Now to the King eternal, immortal,** invisible, the only God**, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.”
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Doesn’t say anything about the Father being a spirit.
JMM1957 said:
“For since the creation of the world** His invisible attributes**, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.”
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Doesn’t say anything about the Father being a spirit.

Conclusion: you have submitted a single verse to build the case of the Father being a Spirit.
 
jane_doe said:
It is an adjective, describing one of His many qualities. It does not mean that God is a spirit,……
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Yes, and an adjective describes the noun; God.
God is love.
God is eternal.
God is spirit.
God is omnipresent.
You will never find God the Father described as flesh and bone in the Christian scriptures or anywhere in Christian theology. Even Mormon scripture said God the Father was spirit until 1920 when it was removed.
 
jane_doe said:
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Looking at the various verses you posted for further evidence of the Father being a Spirit—

Referring to the Spirit, not Father.

Redundant verse (this was the start of your case).

Doesn’t say anything about the Father being a spirit.

Doesn’t say anything about the Father being a spirit.

Doesn’t say anything about the Father being a spirit.

Conclusion: you have submitted a single verse to build the case of the Father being a Spirit.
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Ok, lets go at it this way then. Can we see a spirit?
 
Stephen168 said:
Yes, and an adjective describes the noun; God.
God is love.
God is eternal.
God is spirit.
God is omnipresent.
You will never find God the Father described as flesh and bone in the Christian scriptures or anywhere in Christian theology. Even Mormon scripture said God the Father was spirit until 1920 when it was removed.
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jane_doe,

Do you acknowledge that there was a change in belief as Stephen168 indicates?
 
JMM1957 said:
Ok, lets go at it this way then. Can we see a spirit?
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There are many things you cannot see. It is an illogical leap to assume that just because you can’t see it mean it’s a spirit, when there are many other options.
 
jane_doe said:
There are many things you cannot see. It is an illogical leap to assume that just because you can’t see it mean it’s a spirit, when there are many other options.
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The only option we are speaking of here is God.
 
jane_doe said:
There are many things you cannot see. It is an illogical leap to assume that just because you can’t see it mean it’s a spirit, when there are many other options.
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Why don’t you just define “spirit” as it relates to God, and then maybe we can move on further?
 
jane_doe said:
By what logic do you eliminate all other options?
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Options like God the Father is Adam, He’s a man with many wives on another planet, etc?

The constant and consistent teaching of the church and the Apostles, and the Church’s fathers
 
jane_doe said:
Mormons ARE monotheists: we believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, 3 individuals whom are 1 God united in will/purpose/perfection (as opposed the Trinitarian united via co-substantiation). In the Mormon view, this is still completely monotheistic because to worship the Father is to worship the Son because they are completely united. To follow the Son’s commandments is to follow the Father’s commandments. This view is supported in scripture: where husbands and wives are commanded to be one, we are also commanded to one with each other, and Jesus sacrifice enables us to (after repentance and perfection) be one with God.
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RebeccaJ said:
What of your goddess, Heavenly Mother, who is presumably one with your Heavenly Father?
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Still waiting for an answer to my question.
 
jane_doe said:
There are many things you cannot see. It is an illogical leap to assume that just because you can’t see it mean it’s a spirit, when there are many other options.
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Originally Posted by JMM1957
1 Timothy 1:17
“Now to the King eternal, immortal,** invisible**, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.”

There is no way around it, Timothy is speaking about the “only God” here in this verse. He is invisible. It is not an “illogical leap” to see this as referring to God being a Spirit.

"Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see — for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.” (Luke 24:39)
 
JMM1957 said:
Originally Posted by JMM1957
1 Timothy 1:17
“Now to the King eternal, immortal,** invisible**, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.”

There is no way around it, Timothy is speaking about the “only God” here in this verse. He is invisible. It is not an “illogical leap” to see this as referring to God being a Spirit.

"Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see — for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.” (Luke 24:39)
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Something which is real, but not visible and does not have flesh and bones could be:
Love or any other emotion
Oxygen or any other gas
Wind
Radiation / Non-visable light
Time
Etc.

You have no logic for eliminating any of these.
 
jane_doe said:
Something which is real, but not visible and does not have flesh and bones could be:
Love or any other emotion
Oxygen or any other gas
Wind
Radiation / Non-visable light
Time
Etc.

You have no logic for eliminating any of these.
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Yes I do actually. Because Timothy is not referring to any of these things in the list, even the etc. God is said to be “invisible” in the verse.
 
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