Are Mormons Christians

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meltzerboy said:
With regard to identifying as Christian, would you also say that Oneness Pentecostals, who do not believe in the Trinitarian G-d, are not Christian?
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No, they’re not.
Christians believe in the Trinity. The Bible testifies that there is only ONE GOD. The Bible
identifies the Father as God. The Bible identifies the Son as God. The Bible identifies the
Holy Spirit as God. The Bible presents the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit as distinct persons
eternally interacting with one another. Christians must believe these things to be counted
as Christians. the Oneness Pentecostals accept One God, that the Father, Son, & Holy
Spirit are each God, but refuse to believe that the Bible teaches that these are eternally
distinct persons, rather they either ignore or twist the Scriptures to fit their anti-christian
beliefs, yes anti-christian (1 John 2:22-23).
meltzerboy said:
There used to be a group of so-called Christians who labeled themselves Binitarians and believed in G-d the Father and G-d the Son (Jesus) but not in the Holy Spirit? Would you say they too are not Christian?
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Correct, not Christian, but Heretics.
meltzerboy said:
What about Quakers, many of whom regard themselves as Christian? Or Seventh-Day Adventists and JW’s? Would you deny all of these groups who identify as Christians the title of Christian, or would they simply be heretics?
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Jehovah’s Witness, certainly not Christian.

Quakers I know nothing about.

Seventh-Day Adventists, I think used
to deny the Trinity, I don’t know what
they believe today.

Here are a few heretical views for your knowledge that are considered “Not Christian”:
  • Arianism (Once the Son of God was Not)
  • Modalism (One God, One Person, Acting as Father Son & Holy Spirit like Role Play)
  • Partialism (The Father, the Son, & the Holy Spirit each comprise of 1/3 Part of the One God)
 
meltzerboy said:
If a person claims to be a Christian, I take them at their word. The same as if a person claims to be a Jew, including a Messianic Jew, I say they are. Since Mormons claim to be Christians, they are Christians. Simplistic thinking perhaps, but I do not want to be in a position of judging whether someone is or is not a member of a religion they profess to belong to.
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Cool…I say I am President of the World…am I?
 
Judas_Thaddeus said:
No, they’re not.
Christians believe in the Trinity. The Bible testifies that there is only ONE GOD. The Bible
identifies the Father as God. The Bible identifies the Son as God. The Bible identifies the
Holy Spirit as God. The Bible presents the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit as distinct persons
eternally interacting with one another. Christians must believe these things to be counted
as Christians. the Oneness Pentecostals accept One God, that the Father, Son, & Holy
Spirit are each God, but refuse to believe that the Bible teaches that these are eternally
distinct persons, rather they either ignore or twist the Scriptures to fit their anti-christian
beliefs, yes anti-christian (1 John 2:22-23).

Correct, not Christian, but Heretics.

Jehovah’s Witness, certainly not Christian.

Quakers I know nothing about.

Seventh-Day Adventists, I think used
to deny the Trinity, I don’t know what
they believe today.

Here are a few heretical views for your knowledge that are considered “Not Christian”:
  • Arianism (Once the Son of God was Not)
  • Modalism (One God, One Person, Acting as Father Son & Holy Spirit like Role Play)
  • Partialism (The Father, the Son, & the Holy Spirit each comprise of 1/3 Part of the One God)
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Are adherents to Christian Science really Christian?
 
Judas_Thaddeus said:
No, they’re not.
Christians believe in the Trinity. The Bible testifies that there is only ONE GOD. The Bible
identifies the Father as God. The Bible identifies the Son as God. The Bible identifies the
Holy Spirit as God. The Bible presents the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit as distinct persons
eternally interacting with one another. Christians must believe these things to be counted
as Christians. the Oneness Pentecostals accept One God, that the Father, Son, & Holy
Spirit are each God, but refuse to believe that the Bible teaches that these are eternally
distinct persons, rather they either ignore or twist the Scriptures to fit their anti-christian
beliefs, yes anti-christian (1 John 2:22-23).

Correct, not Christian, but Heretics.

Jehovah’s Witness, certainly not Christian.

Quakers I know nothing about.

Seventh-Day Adventists, I think used
to deny the Trinity, I don’t know what
they believe today.

Here are a few heretical views for your knowledge that are considered “Not Christian”:
  • Arianism (Once the Son of God was Not)
  • Modalism (One God, One Person, Acting as Father Son & Holy Spirit like Role Play)
  • Partialism (The Father, the Son, & the Holy Spirit each comprise of 1/3 Part of the One God)
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While the SDAs have some strange beliefs they hold to the Trinity and have valid baptisms.
 
nmgauss said:
What Authority does “the Church that Christ established” have to say who is a Christian and who is not?
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Matt 28:19
“19Go therefore andmake disciples of*all nations,baptizing themin[a]*the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”

Is this what Mormans do?
 
meltzerboy said:
Maybe whether one can call oneself Christian is somewhat different from calling oneself Jewish. There are people who call themselves Jewish atheists; they identify as Jews only in a cultural sense, not a religious one. While I have some difficulty with this, I still accept them as Jewish. In the case of worshiping a golden calf, it certainly would be problematic to call oneself Jewish if that were all one worshiped, unless one identified as a Jew only by culture and origin. However, in ancient times, there were Jews among certain sects who believed in minor deities in addition to worshiping G-d. They were not strictly monotheistic. Were they still Jewish? I would say yes if they considered themselves so.
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is this a commonly held opinion among Jews of those who identify themselves as a Jew by culture or origin only?
With regard to identifying as Christian, would you also say that Oneness Pentecostals, who do not believe in the Trinitarian G-d, are not Christian? There used to be a group of so-called Christians who labeled themselves Binitarians and believed in G-d the Father and G-d the Son (Jesus) but not in the Holy Spirit? Would you say they too are not Christian? What about Quakers, many of whom regard themselves as Christian? Or Seventh-Day Adventists and JW’s? Would you deny all of these groups who identify as Christians the title of Christian, or would they simply be heretics?
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if they have an erroneous understanding of the Trinity, no.
 
nmgauss said:
What has that got to do with my posts? My profile as displayed in the upper right of the page says non-denominational.
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I was just wondering because you seem to claim to have a polytheistic belief. Non-denominational is meaningless to me without some explanation. Does your denominational believe in many gods?
nmgauss said:
Who gets to say whether or not a denomination is Christian?
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The Catholic Church where sits the Vicar of Christ. We believe in one triune God and are baptized in his name.
nmgauss said:
I have not heard any pronouncements from Christ the King lately. Can you quote any of His statements on who is Christian and who is not?
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Yes, through his Church.
meltzerboy said:
If a person claims to be a Christian, I take them at their word.
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The Catholic Church does too until they decide to look into the facts of the claim. On June 5, 2001, the Church was asked, “Whether the baptism conferred by the community “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”, called “Mormons” in the vernacular, is valid.” John Paul II, responded: Negative.
 
TexanKnight said:
according to you, I don;t have to. All I have to do is say I am and I am…why the change in standards for me?
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:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
:clapping: YES! :clapping:
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TexanKnight said:
according to you, I don;t have to. All I have to do is say I am and I am…why the change in standards for me?
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I am asking you to prove your assertion. If you say, “I don’t have to”, then we are still at odds. You have not convinced me of your assertion, therefore we have accomplished nothing.
 
nmgauss said:
I am asking you to prove your assertion. If you say, “I don’t have to”, then we are still at odds. You have not convinced me of your assertion, therefore we have accomplished nothing.
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You’re just being stubborn now.

There’s something you haven’t addressed yet:

You said:
nmgauss said:
I have not heard any pronouncements from Christ the King lately. Can you quote any of His statements on who is Christian and who is not?
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I answered:
Judas_Thaddeus said:
It’s like this, pay attention now: “Christian” means etymologically “follower of”
or “party to” “Christ,” which if you’re not, then the word Christian cannot apply
to you. How are you not?

Who is Christ?

Your Answer (as it seems): “Whatever I want him to be.” And that is the problem.

Many people of post-modernism (that’s you) really abuse the term
Christian, “Whatever I want it to mean,” is the train of thought that
I see in you. I don’t think so.
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Someone suggested that I define “Post-Modernism,” so I took that advice and continued:
Judas_Thaddeus said:
Suppose it would help
nmgauss understand
what I’m saying:
By “post-modernism,” I mean it in terms of licentiousness (having no regard for accepted
rules or standards), the license to do as one pleases, define anything as one wishes, etc.
It is the philosophy of lawlessness: to deny truth and, in its stead, allow that “anything &
anything goes.”

“So what if Christianity has always meant ‘that’, I define it as ‘this’,” appears to be the
position that many take, like Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, United Pentecostalists,
etc. I’m pretty certain that nmgauss is joining this party.
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Have you no answer to that?
 
TexanKnight said:
Cool…I say I am President of the World…am I?
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No, because there is no such title as President of the World. If you had said you are President of the United States, I would also say no, because there is only one President at a time, and Barack Obama is the current President. However, there are many Christians and many different kinds of Christians.
 
Most nontrinitarians identify themselves as Christian.

Christian[edit]

The Encyclopædia Britannica states, “To some Christians the doctrine of the Trinity appeared inconsistent with the unity of God…They therefore denied it, and accepted Jesus Christ, not as incarnate God, but as God’s highest creature by Whom all else was created…[this] view in the early Church long contended with the orthodox doctrine.” Although the nontrinitarian view eventually disappeared in the early Church and the Trinitarian view became an orthodox doctrine of modern Christianity, variations of the nontrinitarian view are still held by a small number of Christian groups and denominations.

Various views exist regarding the relationships between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Those who follow the life and teaching of Jesus but consider the question of divinity to be completely inconsequential and a distraction to the message that Jesus taught.
Those who believe that Jesus is not God, nor absolutely equal to God, but was either God’s subordinate Son, a messenger from God, or prophet, or the perfect created human. Adoptionism (2nd century A.D.) holds that Jesus became divine at his baptism (sometimes associated with the Gospel of Mark) or at his resurrection (sometimes associated with Saint Paul and Shepherd of Hermas).

Modern Christian groupings
American Unitarian Conference
Associated Bible Students
Christadelphians
Church of God General Conference (Abrahamic Faith).
Jehovah’s Witnesses
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
The Iglesia ni Cristo (Tagalog for Church of Christ)
The Members Church of God International
Oneness Pentecostalism
Some forms of Quakerism hold universalist views.
Swedenborgianism
Unitarian Christians and Unitarian Universalist Christians
 
meltzerboy said:
No, because there is no such title as President of the World. If you had said you are President of the United States, I would also say no, because there is only one President at a time, and Barack Obama is the current President. However, there are many Christians and many different kinds of Christians.
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But there are lines that have been drawn, HAVE BEEN, as in already.

Let’s talk about Kemetics (Neo-Pagans worshiping the Ancient Egyptian deities).
“Curt” is a Kemetic Pagan, his patron goddess is Isis, and he declares himself of
the Jewish religion (not culture, not heritage, don’t go there). “Curt” is calling him-
self Jewish, of Judaism, has nothing to do with Judaism, Orthodox, Reformed, or
otherwise, worships Isis, is of the Kemetic tradition, calls himself a Jew in terms
of religion…Do you acknowledge his identification with Jews?
 
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