Are Muslims okay with Muhammed actions?

[planten]

That is what I was asking about Jesus. Some one replied that He was a Jew. Well and good. It means he was nothing but a Jew. Not a god. Because a Jew on the street cannot be god. I hope you understand about Jesus and you will also reply about Jesus,
1 what he was doing for the first thirty years of his life?.
2. Where was Jesus after coming out of Egypt at the age of 12 years?
3. What was his religion during that time of thirty years? Judaism, seems to be right…
4. Why there is a complete black out on Jesus in bibleNT of his 30 years life?
5. You cannot reply to these questions so why are you interested in talking about Muhammad? Please think and go over to Jesus instead of Muhammad. Thanks.

Why do you keep bringing this up Planten? You keep stating that you love Jesus, but demonize him as often as you can. We’ve explained this before, so why do you continue with the same attacks?

Vickie

**Booklover, please understand what you people are doing. You are mostly demonising Muhammad as a sacred duty. You are asking what was muhammad before age of 40 trying to prove that he must be a pagan. That is a malafide move.

So We Muslims have a right to ask YOU what was Jesus before he started preaching at the age of 30. That thing irritates you. So you please tell your friends not to ask awkward questions about Muhammad too.

I love Jesus and I love you too. I am not demonising Jesus. I am trying to confront and control your ill passions. You have all the love only for Jesus. But you have latent hatred for Muhammad. That is no use. That is no religion.

We Muslims have love for Muhammad and love for Jesus and some love for the followers of Saul of Tarsus who pretend to be christians.**

 

[Agabriel]

How does Abraham being a Jew relate to Muhammed being a pagan?

tell me - there are not only thousands of years between them, and if he wants to tie Abraham’s bastard son to Muhammed - this is a stretch. What is pertinent is that Muhammed was a pagan. He was an Arab who practiced the religion of his fellow Arabs at the time. So what?!

Is this an attempt to try to piggy back off of Judaism and Christianity? If so, then why is Muhammed so intent on killing them?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!? and dehumanizing them by calling them pigs WHICH LEADS TO THIS ASSOCIATION = IF he was a Jew? That would mean HE WAS A PIG TOO!

 

[Agabriel]

Why do you keep bringing this up Planten? You keep stating that you love Jesus, but demonize him as often as you can. We’ve explained this before, so why do you continue with the same attacks?

Vickie

**Booklover, please understand what you people are doing. You are mostly demonising Muhammad as a sacred duty. You are asking what was muhammad before age of 40 trying to prove that he must be a pagan. That is a malafide move.

So We Muslims have a right to ask YOU what was Jesus before he started preaching at the age of 30. That thing irritates you. So you please tell your friends not to ask awkward questions about Muhammad too.

I love Jesus and I love you too. I am not demonising Jesus. I am trying to confront and control your ill passions. You have all the love only for Jesus. But you have latent hatred for Muhammad. That is no use. That is no religion.

We Muslims have love for Muhammad and love for Jesus and some love for the followers of Saul of Tarsus who pretend to be christians.**

We take from your texts that he did so many atrocities and all we are asking is whether or not you Muslims are ok with these atrocious acts that he did. And most of the Muslims have answered ‘yes’. You instead cannot be honest and instead are trying to use tu quoque excuses, deflect the discussion onto Jesus, bash us for reading your texts, bring up some really weird question whether Abraham was a Jew or a pagan, and other stuff.

 

[planten]

**Perhaps you are also a *astard. Who told you that Abaraham was a Jew? Have some sense and be careful. You are way off mark, abusing Abraham too of illegal works. While you do not see any illegal birth in your own home

Why did you call the birth of Ishmael as illegal. God had blessed the marriage and the birth of the first born beloved of Abraham. That is all in bibleOT. But you do not read OT. You have said good bye to all that is in OT. I feel thatyou are a foolish ignorant person who knows nothing about the scripture. You are only full of hatred for the Muslims and Abraham and his beloved first born son.

Try to learn something. If Ishmael was not born, it was all dark and hopeless lady (Sarai) in the house of Abraham. Ishmael was born according to promise of Allah. Then he was left in Arabia with his mother, the leading lady who overtook Sarai very well.

Then That first born beloved son of Abraham was sacrificed in the way of Allah. Allah was allthe more pleased with Abraham and promised to grant Abraham another son from the hopeless lady Sarai. If Ishmael was not sacrificed then Issac would not have been born. Try to learn some realities.

Hagar was a great lady from Egypt. It was the Egyptians who saved the Israelis from death and starvation when they migrated to Egypt. The Egyptians were very kind to the Isarelis for being their kind hosts, letting them settle in the most fertile land in Egypt for many hundred years. That were teh peopel of Hagar who did all that favor to the Jews who are the predecessors and religious forefathers of the so called christians. But the so called christians are forgetful about their religious benefactors i.e. The Jews.
**.

 

[Agabriel]

*Perhaps you are also a astard. Who told you that Abaraham was a Jew? Have some sense and be careful. You are way off mark, abusing Abraham too of illegal works. While you do not see any illegal birth in your own home.

huh?

I said Abraham was a Jew. Allah was not the god of the Jews either. You guys can say that all you want and it doesn’t make it true.

You have told us that you have read the Bible. If you have read it then your questions seem weird to me as do your stories of the OT peoples.

Is it the part where he had a bastard son? He did. It is in the Bible. He had a baby, a son he called Ismael, by another when he thought that his wife couldn’t have a baby. He didn’t listen to God when he was told he would have a son, and rushed it a bit. In time Sara had a son by Abraham and he was called Isaac.

Technically, all babies are good, but bastard is a term used to describe a baby when a man is not married to the woman. And Abraham was not married to Ishmael’s mother.

I bet your teachers had a heck of a time with you. You get really nasty when it is in black and white on the pages for you to read.

By the way, not all Muslims are descendents of Ishmael. Some are Jews and Christians which make up a whole lot of different ethnic backgrounds. And if you are living in Bangladesh, you might have had a background where your ancestors were Hindu. I don’t know - I am just guessing. But, there are other backgrounds that many Muslims used to be such as Zorastrians, etc.

I don’t know why all the angst with you. Are you that knotted up? Is that what Islam does to a person?

 

[planten]

**You are the ignorant illegal one. You forget that sarai was hopeless and she requested Hagar for help. Then Sarai told Abraham to take Hagar as a wife. (That is written in bibleOT) The way that you are behaving. you are ridiculing and abusing Abaraham and Sarai both. You seem to be wiser than those two. That is foolish of you.

You still say that Abraham was a Jew. While the Jews started from Juda the son of Jacob. What are you?? An ignorant one posting all false things here. Go learn something first and learn some manners too.

You are not doing any service to Catholics. If what you are putting up is Christianity then God help save the christians from your false beliefs. They are already in much trouble due to many false beliefs. You are adding it on to them. I had never known any such bad ignorant christian before. There may be many in the store. But no one so uninformed as you are. Till now, you are the singular leader in ignorance and you should be kept safe (sample) for the future generations of the christians.

Don’t forget you have abused Sarai, Abraham and Ishmael (the most beloved first born son of Abraham of old age.)… God had never told Abraham that he will get a son from sarai. That news was given to Abraham and Sarai when the first born son was thirteen (13) years old.
You lack knowledge on all fields.**

 

[Agabriel]

You are the ignorant illegal one. You forget that sarai was hopeless and she requested Hagar for help. Then Sarai told Abraham to take Hagar as a wife. (That is written in bibleOT) The way that you are behaving. you are ridiculing and abusing Abaraham and Sarai both. You seem to be wiser than those two. That is foolish of you.

You still say that Abraham was a Jew. While the Jews started from Juda the son of Jacob. What are you?? An ignorant one posting all false things here. Go learn something first and learn some manners too.

You are not doing any service to Catholics. If what you are putting up is Christianity then God help save the christians from your false beliefs. They are already in much trouble due to many false beliefs. You are adding it on to them. I had never known any such bad ignorant christian before. There may be many in the store. But no one so uninformed as you are. Till now, you are the singular leader in ignorance and you should be kept safe (sample) for the future generations of the christians.

Don’t forget you have abused Sarai, Abraham and Ishmael (the most beloved first born son of Abraham of old age.)… God had never told Abraham that he will get a son from sarai. That news was given to Abraham and Sarai when the first born son was thirteen (13) years old.
You lack knowledge on all fields.

Please get back to the topic.

The question of the thread is ‘Are Muslims okay with Muhammed actions?’. For 1400 years Muslims have had it easy and have threatened people, and even killed people, for discussing Muhammed as he truly should be discussed. And that type of behavior is still going on in too many parts of this earth even to this day. You have no arguments other than deflection, threats, bashing, tu quoque, and excuses of some sort. With Muslims trying to shut people up via the UN and lawsuits/intimidation this type of behavior is still going on.

I am not going to go off topic anymore with you, planten. You are hostile and do this on purpose whenever you don’t like something you read no matter if the things about Muhammed are in your own texts.

I have no idea what you are reading from your perspective, but if you are ok with Muhammed and what he did then just say so. I don’t find the stories of the OT and NT valid in the Quran. They are changed to suit someone’s needs and if you want to discuss Christianity and/or Judaism then you will have to read the Bible and not the Quran. If you want to talk about Abraham then start a different thread and if anyone else wants to talk about it with you they will join in. You are mixing Quran and Bible up and it is getting tiring.

 

[seraphime2008]

Perhaps you are also a *astard. Who told you that Abaraham was a Jew? Have some sense and be careful. You are way off mark, abusing Abraham too of illegal works. While you do not see any illegal birth in your own home

Why did you call the birth of Ishmael as illegal. God had blessed the marriage and the birth of the first born beloved of Abraham. That is all in bibleOT. But you do not read OT. You have said good bye to all that is in OT. I feel thatyou are a foolish ignorant person who knows nothing about the scripture. You are only full of hatred for the Muslims and Abraham and his beloved first born son.

Try to learn something. If Ishmael was not born, it was all dark and hopeless lady (Sarai) in the house of Abraham. Ishmael was born according to promise of Allah. Then he was left in Arabia with his mother, the leading lady who overtook Sarai very well.

Then That first born beloved son of Abraham was sacrificed in the way of Allah. Allah was allthe more pleased with Abraham and promised to grant Abraham another son from the hopeless lady Sarai. If Ishmael was not sacrificed then Issac would not have been born. Try to learn some realities.

Hagar was a great lady from Egypt. It was the Egyptians who saved the Israelis from death and starvation when they migrated to Egypt. The Egyptians were very kind to the Isarelis for being their kind hosts, letting them settle in the most fertile land in Egypt for many hundred years. That were teh peopel of Hagar who did all that favor to the Jews who are the predecessors and religious forefathers of the so called christians. But the so called christians are forgetful about their religious benefactors i.e. The Jews.

Is this the way your so called Allah told u or Muhammad lied to you?
Read the bible. There’s none of your claim there. The way you interpret this story really reflected the way Muhammad wanted himself to be recognized. He wanted it so bad, he went killing other for it.

If average human being can deal and learn how to humble himself to acquire the respect of others without force, then your so called prophet failed to give you example.

Sorry…

 

[Benjamin8o8]

This thread is about muhammad, not Jesus.
It is a FACT that muhammad was a pagan before he invented his religion.
You tell us to look after our business about our God, what are you doing here then? why dont you take your own advice and look after matters of your false religion?

The only thing that makes me cry about this statement is that i cry with laughter.
You show us how we are defeated… go on… i put that challenge to you.
You and your muslim friends are the ones that fail to answer our questions with sensible answers, you either ignore them or use taqqiya to try and get out of answering it, or you just lie.
Now planten, who are they ones that are getting defeated daily on these forums… i think its the muslims, prove otherwise…

You used the “P” word

You actually want them to prove something? Muslim Woman has been failing to do that as soon she signed on these forums. Others just keep quiet. Planten…well he has his own bible and koran in his head. I think Im going to start another thread and state common questions that Muslims cant answer.

 

[planten]

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Algabriel had used the wrong word for Ishmael that was an abusive bad word which I sent back to Algabriel that it suited algabriel only. Moreover ALgabriel does not know that Abraham was niether a Jew nor a christian. So what can any one do about such ignorant persons?

Jews started with Yehuda the son of Jacob. Christians started with Jesus. Tomorrow, AlGabriel will tell us that Abaraham was a christian. Your ignorance is proved beyond doubt.

Similarly, you are all saying that Muhammad killed. We have told you many times that Muhammad did not kill any innocent peaceful person. But you all are singing the same old tune which is recorded into you.

To tell you the truth, nothing could be as bad as the christian formula of lying down before the agressors. Your church has taught you that if any one wants your shirt, you give him two shirts. If any one slaps you on one cheek you offer the other too. If any one orders to run for a mile, you should be ready to run for two miles. If any one demands a Pound from you then you should give him two pounds.

But christian should never face and fight any cruel agressor. Never try to stand up for justice. That is your church teaching. How can you ever face the good works of the Prophet and messenger Muhammad? You have no case against the excellent good works of Muhammad.

But you are all busy trying uselessly to find a fault here or there. The whole world is laughing at your false beliefs. Look after yourself and forget looking for a speck in the others eye. Look after the Log in your own eye. That was the good teaching of Jesus for all of you. But you are not followers of Jesus any more. Some wolf had highjacked and misled you soon after Jesus disappeared suddenly.**

 

[Benjamin8o8]

**
Algabriel had used the wrong word for Ishmael that was an abusive bad word which I sent back to Algabriel that it suited algabriel only. Moreover ALgabriel does not know that Abraham was niether a Jew nor a christian. So what can any one do about such ignorant persons?

Jews started with Yehuda the son of Jacob. Christians started with Jesus. Tomorrow, AlGabriel will tell us that Abaraham was a christian. Your ignorance is proved beyond doubt.

Similarly, you are all saying that Muhammad killed. We have told you many times that Muhammad did not kill any innocent peaceful person. But you all are singing the same old tune which is recorded into you.

To tell you the truth, nothing could be as bad as the christian formula of lying down before the agressors. Your church has taught you that if any one wants your shirt, you give him two shirts. If any one slaps you on one cheek you offer the other too. If any one orders to run for a mile, you should be ready to run for two miles. If any one demands a Pound from you then you should give him two pounds.

But christian should never face and fight any cruel agressor. Never try to stand up for justice. That is your church teaching. How can you ever face the good works of the Prophet and messenger Muhammad? You have no case against the excellent good works of Muhammad.

But you are all busy trying uselessly to find a fault here or there. The whole world is laughing at your false beliefs. Look after yourself and forget looking for a speck in the others eye. Look after the Log in your own eye. That was the good teaching of Jesus for all of you. But you are not followers of Jesus any more. Some wolf had highjacked and misled you soon after Jesus disappeared suddenly.**

The world can laugh as much as it wants, but we are not part of the world, we live for Jesus Christ alone. Abraham who indeed was a Jew lived for God alone, Noah lived for God alone, therefore we Catholics have the fullfilled covenant that lies within Jesus Christ who is true God and true Man. I Love Saint Paul because he was a persecuter of Jesus Christ and in the end he happened to be the one who wrote the vast majority of letters in the New Testament! ALL Glory to Jesus Christ for Allah works in mysterious ways.

Mohammed was evil, cruel, sick and dosent desreve to be classified as a servant of God. He only used the name of God to justify his own wrong doings, for example having sex with an innocent child That is pedophilic, and truly disgusting. I bet Meedo and other Mulims like him deep inside their heart dont justify Mohammeds evil and cruel actions. Mohammed was a slave of the devil, who mocked the The Annunciation of Mary when he appeared to Mohammed.

May all the Jewish Prophets of God from Abraham to John the Baptist pray for us!

 

[planten]

** Benjamin, your post has no value. You are also saying that Abraham was a Jew. On what basis? Then you could also be a Jew? Are you a Jew?

Your religion (Catholicism) is a complete failure. Anyhow, another good news for you. The Angel Gabriel who appeared to Mary to give her the good news of a grown up son, that angel appeared to Mary in the shape of Muhammad (who was not yet born even). That angel appeared to Mary in the shape of a perfect man and that was the shape of Muhammad.

So we can say that It was Muhammad who gave the good news to Mary.
But you people have forgotten Mary and Jesus and you have gone on a wrong track which was not the way of Jesus. If Jesus ever came back to this world (Which he will never do), he will not see a single person who could be his follower. So it is good for you. You celebrate your sinful life as much as you can in the name of Jesus.**

 

[Benjamin8o8]

** Benjamin, your post has no value. You are also saying that Abraham was a Jew. On what basis? Then you could also be a Jew? Are you a Jew?

Your religion (Catholicism) is a complete failure. Anyhow, another good news for you. The Angel Gabriel who appeared to Mary to give her the good news of a grown up son, that angel appeared to Mary in the shape of Muhammad (who was not yet born even). That angel appeared to Mary in the shape of a perfect man and that was the shape of Muhammad.

So we can say that It was Muhammad who gave the good news to Mary.
But you people have forgotten Mary and Jesus and you have gone on a wrong track which was not the way of Jesus. If Jesus ever came back to this world (Which he will never do), he will not see a single person who could be his follower. So it is good for you. You celebrate your sinful life as much as you can in the name of Jesus.**

My post has no value to you because its not compatible with your flawed religion that was started by a man named Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. But what I am speaking is the Truth, for I am a defender of the Catholic Church which by the way Jesus Christ established. So what`s it going to be, Jesus Christ or Mirza Ghulam Ahmad . I accept Christ and REBUKE man okay planten? This is why we´re not in the same boat because I have accepted God over a meer man.

Your religion (Catholicism) is a complete failure That`s what the devil thinks of us and it made Mohammed believe it too! Oh and he influenced your leader Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as well. But we Christians have to stay stong, we need to keep persuing our destiny which is in Christ hands. We will not tolerate lies from you who were inspired by the prince of lies, rather we pick up our cross and follow the Lord. Not some man who ordered Jews to be executed and had multiple wives, and forced his religion through a sword, and ordered people to curse each other, and ordered to humiliate the Christians and Jews, and slept with an innocent child named Aisha, so on…

Abraham by the way was a Jew, only because that dosen´t fit Mohammeds view or your leader Mirza Ghulam Ahmad dosent mean he wasnt.

God Bless.

 

[GraceDK]

A Jew is a descendant of Jacob who was son of Isac who was son of Abraham.
Another name for Jacob is Israel. In the covenant with Jacob the people of God becomes a nation and a more firm identity whereafter we can call them Jews.
The Jewish people are thus descendants of Abraham, although at the time of Abraham the people is not yet defined as a ethnic and religious unit.
God told Abraham: “I will make you a great people and I will bless you. In you all the nations shall be blessed” (Gen 12) We as Christians see this as prophesy also. Jesus was a Jew and its clear from both Old and New Covenant that Salvation comes from the Jews. Yeshua means Saviour.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

A Jew is a descendant of Jacob who was son of Isac who was son of Abraham.
Another name for Jacob is Israel. In the covenant with Jacob the people of God becomes a nation and a more firm identity whereafter we can call them Jews.
The Jewish people are thus descendants of Abraham, although at the time of Abraham the people is not yet defined as a ethnic and religious unit.
God told Abraham: “I will make you a great people and I will bless you. In you all the nations shall be blessed” (Gen 12) We as Christians see this as prophesy also. Jesus was a Jew and its clear from both Old and New Covenant that Salvation comes from the Jews. Yeshua means Saviour.

exactly! The term Jew didnt exist prior Jacobs existence, but that dosent mean Abraham and Jacob had two different faiths. People make up too many silly assumpitions nowadays

 

[planten]

** Benjamin, you say Abaraham was a Jew. Our Quran says Abraham was not a Jew and not a christian.
I never knew Abraham as a Jew. I hope that other christians will also say that he was not a Jew. That is history. Judaism started after the children of Israel.

Okay, now about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Perhaps you may be knowing that he claimed to be the Promised Masiha of the Muslims and christians and Jews. And he claimed to be the Imam al mahdi too. He told every one that God had spoken to him (in year 1867 till 1908 A.D.) and God told him many things. God told him that the old Israeli Jesus son of Mary had died a natural death at the age 120 years.

He also wrote a book in Urdu ( translated “Jesus in India”) proving that Jesus after the ordeal of Crucifixion had left the native land in search of the lost sheep of Israel. He had promised that in the bibleNT. So he travelled towards Eastern countries where the 10 tribes of the Jews were scattered at various places in Afghanistan and Tibet and Kashmir. Jesus was very successful in India. He was like a prince.

He (Mirza sahib) wrote about 85 books in Urdu and Persian and Arabic. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad challenged the christian priests to a spiritual duel but no one came forward. He sent message of peace and Islamic teachings to nearly all the fathers and priests of the world ( even to Queen Victoria) and sent letters by registered post requesting them to come and see the truth of Islam and be paid a reasonable sum of money for coming and staying if not satisfied. (that is if they do not see any miracle of Islam.)

But nobody came forward. he was claiming that God was talking to him constantly.

That was the time to face the man. Not now with me. If you want to discuss then the Ahmadis have a mission house in nearly all ( 190 ) countries of the world. And they claim to number more thn 170 million in the world now. Go ahead and discuss. There was an Ahmadi here who had been banned because he was telling some things to the christians which they could not swallow.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be the promised reforner of the age and a subordinte (shadow) prophet under the command of Muhammad. He claimed that he was sent by the will of Muhammad.

All this is told to you in reply to your lies about Muhammad and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.**

 

[Benjamin8o8]

** Benjamin, you say Abaraham was a Jew. Our Quran says Abraham was not a Jew and not a christian.
I never knew Abraham as a Jew. I hope that other christians will also say that he was not a Jew. That is history. Judaism started after the children of Israel.

Okay, now about Mitrza Ghulam Ahmad. Perhaps you may be knowing that he claimed to be the Promised Masiha of the Muslims. And he claimed to be the Imam al mahdi too. He told every one that God had spoken to him (in year 1867 till 1908 A.D.) and God told him many things. Go dtold him that the old Israeli Jesus had died a natural death at the age 120 years.

He also wrote a book in Urdu proving that Jesus after the ordeal of Crucifixion had left the native land in search of the lost sheep of Israel. He had promised that in the bibleNT. So he travelled towards Eastern countries where the 10 tribes of the Jews were scattered at various places in Afghanistan and Tibet and Kashmir.

He wrote about 85 books in Urdu and Persian and Arabic. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad challenged the christian priests to a spiritual duel but no one came forward. He sent message of peace and Islamic teachings to nearly all the fathers and priests of the world and sent letters by registered post to come and see the truth of Islam and be paid a reasonable sum of money for coming and staying.

But nobody came forward. he was claiming that God was talking to him constantly.

That was the time to face teh man. Not now with me. If you want to discuss then the Ahmadis have a mission house in nearly all ( 190 ) countries of the world. Go ahead and discuss. There was an Ahmadi here who had been banned because he was telling some things to the christians which they could not bear.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be the promised reforner of the age and a subordinte (shadow) prophet under the command of Muhammd. He claimed that he was sent bythe will of Muhammad.

All this is told to you in reply to your lies about Muhammad and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.**

you keep following Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

 

[neploho]

As for the moron - when it comes to name calling like that - it appears that names such as this only reflect you, sir.

It’s not so much name calling as an objective assesment.

If you don’t like the term racist then we can find another. You seem to have a perverse bigotry closely akin to the structural features of anti-semitism. What would you like to call it?

 

[planten]

you keep following Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

Benjamin, thanks for the advice. I will consider your good words.

 

[jakasaki]

he raised among them . yes

what was the religion of abraham (pbuh) before his prophethood by the way

Thanks for answering - BUT this thread is mohamad, not Abraham. If you wish to discuss Abraham, please open a new thread.