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elwill
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you make great effort to proof that he was pagan
okey , what is it supposed to mean if i assumed that he was pagan ?
what is your next step ?
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okey , what is it supposed to mean if i assumed that he was pagan ?
what is your next step ?
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jakasaki
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You know the problem with islam and muslims is that they hide behind so much.
OK elwill - mohamad didn’t pray to One God with the Jews or Christians.
To whom did he pray?
Edit to add:
To whom did he pray before he claimed to the a prophet?
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elwill
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have we need 2 other days to get your point ?
why didnt you say directly your point , i’m very open mind to you , i just wanna to test your rational of thinking
plz tell me your bulk of assumption about his beliefs before islam , then tell me what it supposed to mean according to his prophethood
thanx
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Agabriel
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Got caught, huh!? Can’t answer that without figuring out the ‘house of cards’ will fall down.
It must be tough, huh?
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jakasaki
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You know what - most of us here fall into a trap - a trap that muslims do to change the topic of the OP.
So, I will not go any further…
Since you are new here, have you read all 700+ posts to this thread?
If you have read the replies to this
and you agree, well then reply to the topic.
If you do not agree and want to debate the early threads before this topic was hijacked to another direction, well then, that’s OK. We’ll take the debate under the topic at hand.
Like another forum member wrote and I quote (name removed by moderator):
If you want to continue your question regarding the quote below, then please open a new topic/thread for discussion.
Thanks!
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elwill
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go ahead please , should i beg to you to make your point ?
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jakasaki
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Gabriel - no worries mate -
We need to stop the hijacking of threads by our muslim members. Let’s stick to the topic of mohamads actions!!!..
And you know what, IF mohamad was a pagan and became a religious person, what’s the big deal of admitting it. I admire (name removed by moderator) for making it clear!
Be well and God Bless
Pam
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elwill
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i think that you are the one who bring this issue about religion of mohammed (pbuh) before islam , and i was just discuss your knowledge about that
anyway , don’t worry , i got your point , we can end the discussion about this point , no problems with me
thanxxxxxxxx
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jakasaki
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elwill
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unfortunatly , i didn’t read read all of them , and i didn’t want to answer anything which may be was answerd by my fellow muslims through the thread
but if you want to specify point for discussion , it’s okey
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Benjamin8o8
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we were talking about if its alright for Moslems to says its okay that Mohammed had sex with a 9 year old innocent girl, beheaded jews, invaded and forced his religion on others, ect…that`s all.
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elwill
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all what mohammed (pbuh) is okey with me
just bring what you dislike (and bring it from islamic sources) and in it’s details , i mean the entire incident
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Agabriel
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Since all of these things have been brought up in the prior posts, I am not going to look for them or retype them.
What Muhammed did to the Quraysh tribe - beheaded the men, enslaved the women and children and the boys who ‘did not have hair’, and stole their possessions.
What Muhammed did to so many caravans that no one has an exact number - attacked them for their loot, so they could enslave the women and children, and these caravans were not heavily armed.
What Muhammed did to a man so as to get the rest of his possessions - he tortured him.
What Muhammed did to a man over 100 years old and a women still breastfeeding her baby, and who had some other children - he had them assasinated.
What Muhammed said to his followers in order to gain entry, or to gain trust, so they could attack them - he told them to lie to them, to break treaties, or cease fires.
What Muhammed did to orchards and things that were devastating to a desert peoples - he burned orchards.
The list goes on.
And this is why I find Muhammed a despicable character, one that I don’t want to follow. And besides that, even if you give him a pass on his evil deeds, Muhammed couldn’t even follow his own definitions of sin such as shirk. He would set himself right up there with his Allah, via Islam’s own texts - al tirmidhi hadiths (5th of the accepted 6) #936, #929, #933, #938, #927, #922-923, #820, #811, #66
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jakasaki
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There have been numerous times on here from our muslim members about Mother Mary being only 10 or 11 or 12 when she had Jesus, but the fact is that the Bible does not mention Mother Marys age during this period. That’s all in the New Testament.
But there is an interesting passage in the OT in Chapter 16 of Ezekiel
God speaks to Ezekiel about Jerusalem, but the words are of interest and they make a point, at least to me they do, about “age”.
It talks about a “birth”, a “growth”, a “love” and a “marriage” to Jerusalem. One can use some sense and logic and it all makes sense what is appropriate.
1 Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
2 “Son of man, make known to Jerusalem her abominations
3 and say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD to Jerusalem, “Your origin and your birth are from the land of the Canaanite, your father was an Amorite and your mother a Hittite.
4 “As for your birth, on the day you were born your navel cord was not cut, nor were you washed with water for cleansing; you were not rubbed with salt or even wrapped in cloths.
**5 “No eye looked with pity on you to do any of these things for you, to have compassion on you. Rather you were thrown out into the open field, for you were abhorred on the day you were born. **
**6 “When I passed by you and saw you squirming in your blood, I said to you while you were in your blood, ‘Live!’ Yes, I said to you while you were in your blood, ‘Live!’ **
**7 “I made you numerous like plants of the field. Then you grew up, became tall and reached the age for fine ornaments; your breasts were formed and your hair had grown. Yet you were naked and bare. **
8 “Then I passed by you and saw you, and behold, you were at the time for love; so I spread My skirt over you and covered your nakedness. I also swore to you and entered into a covenant with you so that you became Mine,” declares the Lord GOD.
God talks about Jerusalem, how He created Her and she let God down by being “unfaithful” to Him with foolishness, chaos and mayhem.
But what is interesting is the description of how God waited until the appropreate “age” time to make Jerusalem His.
Aishia was only 6 when engaged and 9 when married. She did not have any of the “body attributes” which were age appropriate for marriage according to the Bible.
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elwill
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believe me , i will be pleased to answer you
but for that sake of saving the time i need islamic sources for your informations
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seraphime2008
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And that means that you’re agreeing whatever his action is, no matter what, even without all the support from any islamic source to make sort of agreeable whatever he’s done?
man…you really need to exercise your thought and mind!
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Muslim_Woman
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** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **
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elwill
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no , let me say that i think that every evil behaviour attributed to our prophet is a lie
so whatever his action was, i agree with it as long as it was acceptable form muslims that it’s correct knowldge not forged ones
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Remnant_church
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Forgive me for intervening, but ive only joined up today and have been reading the threads to this topic. By no means do i mean to disrepsect any one as i believe God gives us free will to believe in what we want. However God has told us what he wants us to do and how to live!
I don’t understand why you are not familiar with the life of Muhammed and you are supposed to be a Muslim. It is a dangerous thing for one to follow and particiapte in a faith he has no knowledge about, you make yourself vulnerable allowing yourself to be decieved.
I don’t understand why you are not familiar with the life of Muhammed and you are supposed to be a Muslim. It is a dangerous thing for one to follow and particiapte in a faith he has no knowledge about, you make yourself vulnerable allowing yourself to be decieved.
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GraceDK
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Okay.no , let me say that i think that every evil behaviour attributed to our prophet is a lie
so whatever his action was, i agree with it as long as it was acceptable form muslims that it’s correct knowldge not forged ones
Fair enough Elwill. But let me point out clearly that I don’t have any other sources about Islam than the ones written by Muslims, namely the Koran and the Hadith.
That is enough for me to see that the Koran has historical and scientific and moral error and so has the Hadith.
Examples:
Moral failure:
- Sleeping with a 9 year old girl, practicing polygami and wife beating: Sura 4: 34
- The obligation for a rape victim to produce 4 witnesses which today means that many women are in prison in Muslim countries because they were raped but not able to point to 4 witnesses. So these women are in prison for fornication, while they are in actual fact the victims. This IS BARBARITY… straight from the Koran: Sura 24: 13 ETC…
- Koran states that Muhammed saw the sun descend into a muddy pond( Sura 18: 88) ETC.
The koran
-confuses the immediate family of Jesus and Mary with the family of Moses and Aron.
- denies the crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth although the crucifixion is well-documented in non-christian historical sources.
- In the Koran pharoah is threatening the magicians with crucifixion, a form of punishment that did not exist in ancient Egypt but only much later in the Roman empire. ( Sura 26; 45-49)
- Koran says that a samaritan helped built the golden calf at Sinai, but it’s an historical fact that samaria did not exist prior to the existence of Israel and the calf-episode took place before the chosen people walked into the promised land, Israel.
Now, we do not say God wrote the Bible. Your problem is that one error in the Koran proves that Almighty God certainly was not the author.
Christian faith is not in a Book but in a PERSON, Jesus Christ.
I have shown fault in your book. You cannot show any fault in Jesus Christ who is the full revelation of the Living God. If we compare religions we must compare them to this finality, Christ versus Muhammad
and Christ versus the Koran
Jesus is the one we believe in as the TRUTH and DIVINITY, and there is no error in His mouth nor evil actions by His holy Hands.
Peace.
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