Are Orthodox considered protestants? If not, why not?

[tafan2]

Not very many, if any, Catholic Bishop’s and priest have the views against the Orthodox churches that are held by, not a small number, if othodox clergy against Rome. Never in my life, have I heard a Roman Catholic priest or Bishop call into question, in the slightest way, the validity of Orthodox orders and sacraments. I think the resistance unification is largely on one side.

 

[Minks]

Minks:

If you’re saying that they have a role equivalent to that of the Catbolic Pope, what is the title?

That’s not what he said.

He said they have patriarchs.

Patriarchs do have authority, as do metropolitan bishops over their suffrage dioceses (although the latter has been almost entirely lost in the RCC).

Ah, yes! You both used the plural.

Maybe there’s a system glitch and your screen doesn’t show the word “If”—nor the question mark?

In the overall scheme of things, it doesn’t matter, since not only what I actually wrote was missed, but my point, as well.

I didn’t state the statement that you state that I stated in your statement!

 

[dochawk]

. In the Orthodox view, he is what the Popes power encompasses, a seat of honor and considered the first among equals but in reality no more authority than any other bishop.

That is simply incorrect . . .

If they were in communion with Rome and the Pope tried to intervene they would just go into schism again as they don’t believe he has that authority.

“directly” is the key word here. In the pre-schism Church, when one side appealed to Rome, it would have jurisdiction.

The Eastern Orthodox will never yield their position.

The Catholic Church is the Universal Church.

Do you recognize the irony here?

 

[BohemianBrother]

I meant that is what the most commonly used name means. I am quite sure the Orthodox also claim to be the universal church.

What I meant is that the Orthodox are mostly entrenched deeply in their rejection of papal supremacy. There are even those who claim it’s outright heretical. That’s why Ratzinger, who is a great theologian and a wise man argued it should not be required from them to accept more than was promulgated during the first millenium.

 

[BohemianBrother]

Sure. That’s why reunification will probably never happen.

 

[Babaganoush]

The west has its own problems. They have formal union but many bishops and priests seem to accept doctrines that are contrary to catholic dogma including gay marriage, female priests and etc. There is division with formal unity.

 

[Babaganoush]

The Orthodox often call Catholics the first Protestants for changing the creed.

 

[Babaganoush]

It is kind of a catch 22. The purpose of the definition was to combat nihilism and the idea that the truth can’t be known, but at the same time they guaranteed the perpetual division with the eastern churches.

 

[BrandtWall]

How complicated is it? The East rejected Rome and proceeded to split up in ways that enabled a precursor to the type of nationalism Protestantism produced. May still have broken apostolic succession but with horrific consequences politically. Politically and socio-cultually speaking, Western Christianity’s triad based paradigm of Church/State/Monarchy helped lead to liberty and freedom. Sorry to sound like a first year social sciences student, but it’s true.

 

[Isaac14]

But I must say I have an Orthodox friend and it seems not a few don’t have a very wonderful view of the OCA. I would have to research more but I think some of their stances don’t fit with the majority of Orthodox Churches

I’m a member of an OCA parish. I’d love to hear more about your friend’s views and what our stances are that don’t fit with the other churches with whom we’re in communion.

 

[tafan2]

If I posted an article from a source that doesn’t well represent the Orthodox beliefs, I apologize. The article simply makes clear that the beliefs of Orthodox on these issues is not all the same.

 

[Isaac14]

e’s Greek Orthodox. He just says the OCA is very Protestant and uses the NKJV as opposed to the translations based off of the Septuagint such as the Orthodox Study Bible which would include books the Orthodox which accept

That’s an interesting objection as the Orthodox Study Bible uses the NKJV as the English base (making corrections to better follow the Septuagint).

There really aren’t many translations into English of the Septuagint OT. There simply isn’t an “official” English language translation in use by all Orthodox. In my own parish, when a bible reading isn’t otherwise provided in the texts for the service, we fall back to the RSV with Apocrypha.

 

[PatrickC1982]

I would suggest doing the research, as that’s absolutely untrue. Your friend sounds confused.