Actually, I have read Christopher West’s book entitled “Good News About Sex and Marriage”. I wasn’t impressed with this book; it was just questions about sex and the Catholic answers. I haven’t read any of Christopher West’s other books. Is his book on Theology of the Body totally different?Maybe you should read it then at least you’d have a clue what we’re talking about. Who knows you might learn something. Look for one of Christopher West’s books on the subject.
Like the others said, it is not a new doctrine. It is a collect of talks by PJPII about human sexuality. He use Scripture in fact in these talks. He begins with Jesus discussing about whether or not Divorce is allowed. He cites Genesis as well that the Two shall become One Flesh."Theology of the Body’ Is that some new doctrine made up by Pope JP?
He actually uses Scripture in this talk. It’s like long Sermon no different than a Protestant Pastor who gives his own sermon on Sunday MorningI’m not afraid to discuss John Paul II’s Theology of the Body. I haven’t read it, and am simply not interested in John Paul’s view of human sexuality.
We don’t. It’s like Sermon. When a Protestant minister gives a sermon is it equal to Scripture? The Theology of the Body is Sermon based on Genesis and the intent of God’s design for human sexuality based on Scripture.Some Catholics quote Theology of the Body as if it were equal to scripture. Maybe for Catholics it is equal to scripture; however, for many of us who are not Catholic, John Paul’s views have no authority or relevance.
Christopher West is not the only one who done some lecture series on Theology of the Body. There is Fr. Thomas Loya, Byzantine Priest, Katrina Zeno, and Dr. Philip Mango.Actually, I have read Christopher West’s book entitled “Good News About Sex and Marriage”. I wasn’t impressed with this book; it was just questions about sex and the Catholic answers. I haven’t read any of Christopher West’s other books. Is his book on Theology of the Body totally different?
I’m not sure how many Protestants are aware of the Theology of the Body. That would be a better question.I posted a thread, called “What do Protestants think of the Theology of the Body?”
I know Pope John Paul II’s Theology of Body involves the theology behind human sexuality.
There was only 2 Protestants (who is considering converting to Catholicism) who responded.
Are Protestants too afraid to discuss the morality issue with Catholics especially if it deals with human sexuality?
We understand it the same way Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli understood and still understand it.I don’t understand how the catholic church would believe mary obstained from sex without record of direct testimony to the effect from people who knew her–especially since marriage is holy and sex in marriage is holy in the sight of God.
Abortion, euthenasia, divorce, destructive emryonic stem research, etc. also use human intellect to intervene in Gods designed order.additionally, I don’t understand why artificial birth control and intentional fertility-cycle birth control are any different. both are the use of human intelect to intervene in God’s designed order of procreation.
Better how? By giving you a warm fuzzy?Our church library has several good books on human sexuality by Baptist and other authors that are as good or better than Pope JP2,s
Also any couple that is getting married has to go to class on human sexuality
Not impressed with the idea of a husband and wife totally giving themselves to the other? Of a husband loving his wife totally??Actually, I have read Christopher West’s book entitled “Good News About Sex and Marriage”. I wasn’t impressed with this book; it was just questions about sex and the Catholic answers. I haven’t read any of Christopher West’s other books. Is his book on Theology of the Body totally different?
Well, at the least the first two parts of the book are based very solidly on the Bible, I think in a way that even Protestants should be able to feel very comfortable with.Like John Martignoni says, serious protestants don’t care what the pope or the catechism says, they care what the bible says.
If I were a Protestant, and a particular teaching is not explicitly in the bible, and its in the catechism and/or its what the pope says, I would avoid it like the plague.
Nothing particularly difficult and nothing particularly profound or useful. My husband and I have been very happily married for 24 years.Not impressed with the idea of a husband and wife totally giving themselves to the other? Of a husband loving his wife totally??
As far as the format of Good News, yes it is question and answer format. Questions posed by people who have heard West’s talks on TOB and his replies based on TOB. He has other books that deal with TOB or you could read JPII directly.
I find it hard to believe that any Christian can completely reject TOB out of hand. Is there something that you found particularly difficult?
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Wow a relationship that needs no improvement! Congrats. Many of us are not so fortunate.Nothing particularly difficult and nothing particularly profound or useful. My husband and I have been very happily married for 24 years.
These teachings are most likely to have some usable effect during the child bearing years, the years when most people are, unfortunately, the most stubborn and selfish.Well, at the least the first two parts of the book are based very solidly on the Bible, I think in a way that even Protestants should be able to feel very comfortable with.
Actually I’d be very interested in how/why a Protestant would not feel comfortable – it really is an analysis of verses from Genesis and the Gospels.
References to things other than the Bible are almost all to fathers of the Church who wrote long before the big split. And still, the whole thing rests on specific verses from the Bible.
I think JPII had a keen sense that the teaching is Christian more than it is specifically Catholic.
Cheers!
mark a;2404867** said:**Better how? By giving you a warm fuzzy? **
Are they giving you the truth about ABC, especially birth control pills?No
because they were writen by faithful man of God.
Better? How so. I have not find any other theological books on sexuality better than Pope John Paul II. For one thing, he is schooled deep in theology. In fact, Wikipedia comment the following:Our church library has several good books on human sexuality by Baptist and other authors that are as good or better than Pope JP2,s
Also any couple that is getting married has to go to class on human sexuality
I have read other human sexuality by Non-Catholic authors but they lack depth the way Pope John Paul II put his lectures into one condense book IMP.George Weigel has described Theology of the Body as “*one of the boldest reconfigurations of Catholic theology *in centuries.” He goes on to say it is a “kind of theological time bomb set to go off with dramatic consequences… perhaps in the 21st century.” Weigel believes that it has barely begun to “shape the Church’s theology, preaching, and religious education” but when it does “it will compel a dramatic development of thinking about virtually every major theme in the Creed.”[3]
That’s great. My parents have been married for a very long time. The TOB is still a good book to read. I think new couples should read it and young people who struggle with human sexuality.Nothing particularly difficult and nothing particularly profound or useful. My husband and I have been very happily married for 24 years.
My husband and I are past child bearing age. We were fruitful and multiplied. We have a happy, loving 24-year marriage and a wonderful 23 year-old son. We have been completely faithful to each other and to our marriage vows. We have raised a good, Christian son. We have tried to follow the Lord to the best of our ability. Like everyone else, we are sinners and saved only by grace through faith in our Lord, Jesus Christ.These teachings are most likely to have some usable effect during the child bearing years, the years when most people are, unfortunately, the most stubborn and selfish.
For a couple past child bearing age to see these teachings (and what they imply about ABC) and admit the error of their ways and most likely the error in which they raised their own children is just too much for them to take. They reaction is going to be, well, like what you see here on these forums.