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walt2000
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And About Your Mom Listen To Her
Are there any Catholic theologions that fully understand the last book of the bible ?
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walt2000
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I’ll be here tomorrow think of what I said and I’ll hear from you .WALT
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sconea
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Just a little further information in answer to the original question. Yes, there are many who understand Revelation. This book will open your eyes.
After reading through and seeing all the discussion and confusion I cannot recommend highly enough a recent book (2003) by David Currie, a former protestant pastor, who converted to Catholicism.
He not only clearly refutes the rapture, but covers all the early thinking and teaching on just about every verse in scripture about the ‘end times’. He covers all of the early church writings and fathers, hebrew and secular writers too. Phenomenal research!
Dr. Scott Hahn calls this book, "a virtual summa of apocalyptic texts, that makes these difficult matters abundantly clear.
Everyone who has read this book has told me it was like a profound awakening and their eyes were fully opened…not too mention how clear everything was without all the second guessing and opinions of trying to make sense of isolated verses. This book is about Truth with a capital T.
Published by Sophia Institute Press, available at amazon for about $12. Just go to amazon books and type David Currie into ‘search’ and it will come up, if you want to read all the reviews.
Rapture: The End-Times Error That Leaves the Bible Behind David Currie
By the way here is a little blurb on Dave from Scott Hahn’s St. Paul Center for Biblical Theology
salvationhistory.com/mission/staff/curriebio.cfm
Despite all the research it is a fabulous read…and you’ll never again be confused or deceived about these issues.
God bless.
After reading through and seeing all the discussion and confusion I cannot recommend highly enough a recent book (2003) by David Currie, a former protestant pastor, who converted to Catholicism.
He not only clearly refutes the rapture, but covers all the early thinking and teaching on just about every verse in scripture about the ‘end times’. He covers all of the early church writings and fathers, hebrew and secular writers too. Phenomenal research!
Dr. Scott Hahn calls this book, "a virtual summa of apocalyptic texts, that makes these difficult matters abundantly clear.
Everyone who has read this book has told me it was like a profound awakening and their eyes were fully opened…not too mention how clear everything was without all the second guessing and opinions of trying to make sense of isolated verses. This book is about Truth with a capital T.
Published by Sophia Institute Press, available at amazon for about $12. Just go to amazon books and type David Currie into ‘search’ and it will come up, if you want to read all the reviews.
Rapture: The End-Times Error That Leaves the Bible Behind David Currie
By the way here is a little blurb on Dave from Scott Hahn’s St. Paul Center for Biblical Theology
salvationhistory.com/mission/staff/curriebio.cfm
Despite all the research it is a fabulous read…and you’ll never again be confused or deceived about these issues.
God bless.
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AlegreFe
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I have the Douay-Rheims bible and in there the verse falls on 6:67 and not 6:66. That bible is older than old so it came out way before NAB or RSV-CE or any of the others. Hhmm I wonder why they changed the numbers. I have 4 different Catholic versions of the bible and I ordered the 1611 KJV… not exactly Catholic but it has all the deuterocanonical books in it, so I ordered it out of curiosity. I hope I get it soon.
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AlegreFe
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To add to my previous message about John 6:66…
Now I’m not saying that the numbers there don’t mean anything since that verse was numbered differently before. I use that on Protestants when I’m explaining to them about the Eucharist.
Now I’m not saying that the numbers there don’t mean anything since that verse was numbered differently before. I use that on Protestants when I’m explaining to them about the Eucharist.
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JoeyWarren
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In some of the greek bibles that were written prior to the DR or KJV, it is verse 66.
Did you know that the only 666 combination in the New Testatment is John 6:66?
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AlegreFe
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Yes I am aware of that. I purposely searched for that.
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walt2000
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Don’t let that 666 get you guys paranoid , you try you can work 666 in to anything, that is the devil confusing the issue.Germatria is only used to interpert the bible.Rev. only.
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walt2000
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Re.16/13…mouth of the dragon…(earth)…6
…beast mouth of the…(sea)…6
…beast.mouth of the …(whore)…6
There is a lot of dog doe in the field, watch where you put your feet.Walt
…beast mouth of the…(sea)…6
…beast.mouth of the …(whore)…6
There is a lot of dog doe in the field, watch where you put your feet.Walt
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Originally Posted by JoeyWarren
Did you know that the only 666 combination in the New Testatment is John 6:66? Not so look at
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Did you know that the only 666 combination in the New Testatment is John 6:66? Not so look at
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walt2000
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read Re12-15 THE THUNDER NO.4
WOMAN BEAST, PEOPLE SEEM TO MISS THIS ONE,WHORE.
BEAST OUT OF THE SEA
BEAST OUT OF THR EARTH
Yes there is the woman beast, that turns in to a whore, the false prophet.RELOGION GONE BAD .BABYLON THE GREAT WHORE
WOMAN BEAST, PEOPLE SEEM TO MISS THIS ONE,WHORE.
BEAST OUT OF THE SEA
BEAST OUT OF THR EARTH
Yes there is the woman beast, that turns in to a whore, the false prophet.RELOGION GONE BAD .BABYLON THE GREAT WHORE
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walt2000
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THE GREAT WHORE speaking to he world also found in Re.17/1
the devil could not get the child, so he went for the woman ,the child’s mother. true Christianity .the bride of christ.
Walt
the devil could not get the child, so he went for the woman ,the child’s mother. true Christianity .the bride of christ.
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freesoulhope
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What about the book of david? cant we use gematria on that? Im told that there are prohesieys in the book of david that fore-tell some of what is happening in revelations.
Also, i heard that the breaking of bread, the seven loafs and the five loafs, are symbolic of future realitys, what do you think?. I have a book written by a Catholic, do you want me to give it to you? It may be false, I dont know, but its intresting.
It talks of a future pope(the last) called peter, who will feed the church.
It also talks of a general(the antichrist) who trys to persucute and destroy the Catholic church. The writter claims he dosent do divination or any revelating. He claims that by decoding the symbolic codes in the bible( in the book of david, the gospels, and revelation) he has painted a picture of the future.
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thistle
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There is no Bible code. There is no Bible code!!
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freesoulhope
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Why do you think that there is no symbolic or numerical code in the Bible?. Can you please give me the source to your understanding, and the proof that your understanding is correct.
( I. e., Give me the link that supports your argument, and i will decide for my self whether or not if there is a bible code.
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thistle
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You don’t get it, do you?Why do you think that there is no symbolic or numerical code in the Bible?. Can you please give me the source to your understanding, and the proof that your understanding is correct.
( I. e., Give me the link that supports your argument, and i will decide for my self whether or not if there is a bible code.
I don’t have to prove there is no code. You have to prove there is a code.
No creditable theologians believe in any Bible code. If there are then please tell me their names.
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JoeyWarren
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Let me rephrase that:
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freesoulhope
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First of all, you decided to comment, that means the ball is in your court.
Secondly, Im not trying to prove to you that there is a bible code either. I dont know if there is one.
Scientists try to figure out things about the world everyday. They didnt stop finding out, just because the vatican said the world was flat or the sun went around the earth.
Im probing the possibility of a symbolic or numerical bible code, but Im not demanding anything of it.And anyway, It wouldnt matter if somebody showed you proof. You still would not want to know, because you have decided in your heart that it is either
- Not important to you.or
- You have decided that you know the truth, and nobody that would say otherwise is telling you what you percieve as truth and factual reality.
Its illogical to me that, just because you say there is no bible code, that means there isnt a bible Code. Surly you didnt become a Christian just becuase somebody said that you must become one?
I have to reason with things first, so i can Obtain insight and wisdom. Science would not exist if somebody came along and said, “science is rubbish”, and everyone believed it, just because you said it!
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freesoulhope
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Why? …so you can tell them there is no bible code?!!
What i believe to be a bible code, might be considerably different to what your assuming it to be. I believe revelations is a symbolic code of what is to occur in the future, that is standard thinking.
People use Symbolic code or story telling, in place of literal events, to hide something that should not be seen by enemys.
Or,… it could be that somebody will make a short fictional tale based on reality, only so that it can be understood and passed on to other generations.
The first example is what i call a code( hiding the truth behind symbolic ideas).
An attemped to decipher this code, is to be understood as somebody trying to find “meaning” behind the “symbols”( thats if its symbols are ment to be looked at in this fashion).
Its my understanding that “Revelations” is not to be looked at in a literal fashion. There-fore its a code hiding a literal reality. I want to know what that literal reality is. (unless its forbbiden)
However the gemantra is new to me, im still wondering if its a genuiene technique. Im reluctant to except it, with out first studying its origons.
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freesoulhope
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This is what i hypothesised also. But i can see how protestants can twist this to make it seem like the Catholic church will go bad or has gone bad. Its very hard to argue agaisnt it. I used to think that some where in the future, the Catholic church will split in to two churches, Both Catholics, but one fake.
I dont know what to think these days, but i know that there is enougth things in favor of the Catholic church, that makes me feel like im in the right place.
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