Are there any Catholic theologions that fully understand the last book of the bible ?

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walt2000:
When you go to a study group ,the leader there, has about a week or two looking at a set agenda, their not studying for them self’s, their studying another person’s work .There is a special blessing for those that work it out.For them self’s.Walt.
IM not sure i entirley agree with this. It is because people work out the bible for them selfs, and lead on to thier own understanding, that leads to different churches opening up with different doctrines. Some have doctrines like, " you cant have blood transfusion, because in the bible it says that you cant eat or drink the blood of anyone or anything.

Some times the truth cant just be equired by studying the bible for yourself and asking for understanding. Sometimes the truth has to be preserved and passed down through the ages from people to people, those who are faithfull. Also, there is only one true interpretation, like there is only one true religion.You can either, try and work it out for yourself or you can find somebody who is trained in that interpretation, i.e. the church that Jesus left in charge of preserving that truth. I dont trust in my self.
 
Revelations,will not get you into heaven. If you keep the rules and believe, you are saved, by his grace ,By his sacrifice, on the cross.Are your sins forgiven.But I am saying that only a few will under stand the gift of Revelations.Walt
 
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walt2000:
Revelations,will not get you into heaven. If you keep the rules and believe, you are saved, by his grace ,By his sacrifice, on the cross.Are your sins forgiven.But I am saying that only a few will under stand the gift of Revelations.Walt
Thats more like it 🙂 Sorry i was confuesed, i wasnt sure what you ment
 
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i.e. the church that Jesus left in charge of preserving that truth. I dont trust in my self.
That is why he made teachers ,prophet’s and so on.Reach out ask and it will be given,walt
 
The rewards are great You will be able to enter the gates in to the holy cily The city that is built on the number 12
12 gates
12 foundation’
12x12 or 144 the thickness of the walls,the lenght of the walls ,the hight of the walls,every thing is based on the No.12
Remember the 144,000 a mult. of 12 with a megga number.narrow is the gate, not every body will be able to enter, this open gate.There will be people with out ,trying to get in
The apostles asked we follow you ,what in it for us.The answer was.Don’t you know that during the regeneration you will judge the 12 tribes of Israel.Walt
 
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walt2000:
The rewards are great You will be able to enter the gates in to the holy cily The city that is built on the number 12
12 gates
12 foundation’
12x12 or 144 the thickness of the walls,the lenght of the walls ,the hight of the walls,every thing is based on the No.12
Remember the 144,000 a mult. of 12 with a megga number.narrow is the gate, not every body will be able to enter, this open gate.There will be people with out ,trying to get in
The apostles asked we follow you ,what in it for us.The answer was.Don’t you know that during the regeneration you will judge the 12 tribes of Israel.Walt
I don’t think that the city of new jerusalem is a literal city. My understanding it is symbolic of city of the Kingdom of God.

Space starts at 75 miles up. The literal city is 1500 miles high. Can you imagine a city 1500 miles X 1500 miles X 1500 miles sitting on the surface of the earth?
 
That’s why you have to watch what you do to Revelations It’s in the number 12,000 stadia .The 12,000 has to stay 12,000 It an allagory,meant to put emphases on the no.12.Not 15.And I myself don’t think I would like to be an immortal in all that gold.
Personally I like where I am. In the hills, a stream nearby, green trees of all sorts, rose’s ,natural flowers, animals, deer, bison and clear air to breath.
 
Numbers are used. It is natural language. Some say its the key to the universe. I dont know. But i definetly agree that numbers are significant, But in what sense? What are the numbers trying to tell us? The number twelve, shows alot in the bible. Twelve apostles, Twelve tribes of isreal, twelve gates, yes i see there is a mathmatical element to the reality of revelation. But what does it mean?

I watched a fictional film once about this really intelligent mathmatition with some sort of metal disorder. He kept on finding mathmatical patterns in nature, which he percieved as spirals, but the more he kept on challenging the fought, the more insain he Got. Then some jewish people from the judaist religion saw his work, and fought that he could unlock and find the name of God in his mathmatical workings. If they could achieve this, they would be let back in to heaven. Gods name was supposed to be so many letters long, something like 234, im not sure.

Anyway, the goverment are also looking for this guy, who eventually goes M.I.A… He goes to see a freind who had a stroke, doing the same work that he did. When he goes to his freinds house, he finds out that he died from a stroke, and finds spirals everywhere from his work.

The man eventually cracks the code, but the code cracks him and drives him mad. The judaists drag him in to a house, and try to get the name of God from him, but he refuses. They try to tell him if he keeps it in his head, it will kill him, because the message is for them so that they can get back the key to heaven, but he still refuses.

In the end he goes mad, and drives a compact drill in to the side of his head to stop the noise.

I think the moral of the story is, There are some things in life that we can never understand, and when we try to, sometimes we can go mad, Which i almost did.

I used to spend ages trying to understand God, i was trying to comprehend his eternal existence, i use to try and go beyond the universe in my head and try to comprehend things that where not comprehendable, i use to try and figure out what existence actually is, i mean i know that its God, but what is existence made of? why is it? Why is God? What is space? and when there was no space what was it, what was there in its place? What is nothingness, does such a thing as Nothingness really exist. To try and comprehend eternity with out being Born is a brain buster!.

God seems to let only a select few know the really complicated stuff, while the rest just have the job of living a humble Christian life.
 
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You,r wright God in his wisdom, will only give you what you can handle,The devil on the other hand will try to steal that what is thuth away, and confuse you untill you go mad. The devil will work on you’r weakness’s and indecision .He will take any basis of life you have, and When you have no worth you’r at his level.
.When he takes your self worth away you’r, worthless, and that makes him a winner.
Walt
 
freesoulhope
earyer on in the thread you said.
I dare say that many different Christians have many many different variations of what they think the end of days revelation actually reveals.

What i want to know is, Is thier any Catholics hear that is well educated in its meaning, and if so please teach me. I dont fully trust my own understanding of the last book in the bible revelation.

Trust GOD, maybe it’s being reveled to you know.
walt.
 
Yes, this is true. Some people forget that the devil is allways there ready to pervert, twist and bend the truth in order to make you think that the counterfit truth is more desirable.

Satan doesnt rest day or night, but he will never reveal himself if he thinks that in doing so it would bring you closer to God. He attacks most violently when your on the fringes of sanity the breaking point. If your sombody that has a gift that will infuence many in to loving God, he will use Gods enemys to break you, ridicule, decieve, spit on you, crush your confidence and expose your weaknesses so that they can be exploited and be used as a weapon. Nobody will listen to a broken record, thats why the devil breaks you, and he starts when your in childhood.

People with gifts such as influence, have it worst, and you will find that alot of gifted people are often on the fringes of sanity. Satans gains most advantage when people think that your crazy, and once they think that your crazy, your testomy becomess worthless. Trust me, i know! 🙂 gentle people are always the focus of hatred, since they contradict the image of the beast.
 
Hay you’r a winner.Walt
I have to go to the coffee shop for a cup .talk to you later.
 
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walt2000:
My spelling is something else, don’t you think?
There you go! What are brothers for, but to help each other learn, and also correct each others mistakes 🙂
 
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