Are there any Catholic theologions that fully understand the last book of the bible ?

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walt2000 said:
Do you think this is nuts ?
Christ made a Miracle. that all the ,theological big boy’s had never even thought of.No not in around 2000 years,Now that we are about halfway, I can show you some thing completly diffrent in revelations.
I WANT TO KNOW THAT THERE AT LEAST SOME PEOPLE , THAT ARE INTRESTED? THIS IS SOME THING THAT NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN BEFORE.Its no trick .no the devil is not involved.This is still revelations and how to understand it. WALT
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I’'m game. :cool:
 
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JoeyWarren:
I’'m game. :cool:
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Lets hear what this guy has to say! :cool:
 
No, why would GOD put"Forbidden Knowlegde"in the bible,It do’s not make sence If there is “Forbidden Knowlegde” in the bible then the bible is not the true word of GOD, You are saying that the word of GOD is divided, isn’t there a part of the bible that is devoted to that very point.How can a house be divided .Walt
 
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Forbidden knowlege, is like the numerical codes that make up the images on your computer screen. Your only suposed to look at the “image”, not the code behind it. People dont realise that the world we live in ( it seems to me) runs on the same rules.
Does’t make sense to put some thing there for man,and his betterment, and then tell you it’s not to be used.
 
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walt2000:
No, why would GOD put"Forbidden Knowlegde"in the bible,It do’s not make sence If there is “Forbidden Knowlegde” in the bible then the bible is not the true word of GOD, You are saying that the word of GOD is divided, isn’t there a part of the bible that is devoted to that very point.How can a house be divided .Walt
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You miss interpret what im saying. The story of revelations tells us basically what we need to know, we dont have to know anything else. However its legitimit to wonder what the imagry is describing, and where it applys acording to the world around us.

You want to know if the numerical data adds up to anything, and what im trying to say is, are we “really” suposed to know!

The numerical foundation, on which the story of revelation rests, describes somthing that is hidden to are understanding. Maybe its supposed to stay hidden?

Dont get me wrong, All this numerical code stuff is news to me, and i just dont want to offend God if its not for me.
But tell us about the miracle.
 
I think every thing is truth, in the bible, and he makes it known to us When the time is right.
In Dan.he is told to seal up the words of the scroll the time is not yet.and in Rev. he is told to open the scroll the time is near. Is that a contradiction.
 
Are you telling me that I was harassed for 35 years and that I was not to understand it, or use what I learnt?
 
If it is of the devil he would have just shutup and let me be miss informed…
 
If I gave you a key to your house, and it opened it, would you tell me that that was the wrong key.
 
I never said that anything in the bible was false.

Let me put it this way. I once asked a question about revelations, and it concerned somthing that God said to John, he told him somthing that he did not want us to know about, end of story. I would like to know, but then again its not for me to know if God only wants john to know about. Other then that the revelation its self is there for us to know and understand.

You say that if something is in the bible, then its for us to know. Then why did john Bother even write in the fact that he was given a secret message, if we are not to know it? John was given a message, what evidence is there that john himself deguised it in symbolisom? for all i know, revelation was given to John by God as we see it written now.

You also say somthing about a “scroll” being kept closed untill the right time to reveal its contents. If somthing like that is to be revealed, then would it not make sense that it will be revealed to the whole church or the church authority? or will you be the one to reveal it?

Im not saying that what your doing is wrong. Im saying that we have not been told by the church to aknowledge this, its the first time i have ever about. This tells me its not officail Church teaching. Should i trust what the church does not teach?

If im blind, please pray for me, because its not my intention of heart to stop you. If your doing Good then i encourage it. My problem is defining whether its Good or not, or even if its relevent.
 
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walt2000:
If I gave you a key to your house, and it opened it, would you tell me that that was the wrong key.
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Im still waiting to see if it opens anything at all. 🙂
 
The church didn’t tell me to study revelation, in the word of god, god , has to (name removed by moderator)ire me.He puts in the desire,the holy spirit is that, what pushes me along the path.and leads me.You have to trust in the holy spirit,the devil will install mistrust and I think that is what you have.
 
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walt2000:
Are you telling me that I was harassed for 35 years and that I was not to understand it, or use what I learnt?
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Harrassed by who?

If you say God, then your asking me to believe that you have been given a private revelation. Maybe you have, maybe you haven’t. I tryed to hear you out. But it doesnt make much sense to me. Your’ve given me a fomular for somthing, and you havent said what its for or what it does.

Tell me what it means, where is it going. Is this not a legitimate Question?
 
Ok, let me hand you a key, and we will see if it opens the door.but you have to trust that im led by the holy spirit.Would you like to recieve this key?
 
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walt2000:
The church didn’t tell me to study revelation, in the word of god, god , has to (name removed by moderator)ire me.He puts in the desire,the holy spirit is that, what pushes me along the path.and leads me.You have to trust in the holy spirit,the devil will install mistrust and I think that is what you have.
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There is also a counterfit, that pretends to be the holy spirit. The devil comes with pretty gifts to flatter the mind and heart, in order to raise men up in ignorance.

If this was not true, then there would be no such things as false religion or false profits. muhhamed fought he had a vision from God, he had a private revelation. Im i so supposed to believe him to, just because he says that he has the keys to paradise?

If any angel, or man, or anybody should tell you anything that contradicts what God himself tuaght us to follow, then i should choose not to follow this. Im going to ask my preist tommoro about this gematria, when i go to confession.
 
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walt2000:
Ok, let me hand you a key, and we will see if it opens the door.but you have to trust that im led by the holy spirit.Would you like to recieve this key?
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Show me where its going. God does not give half truths, even when they are desguised in symbolic writing, it is the whole truth and nothing else.

Its seems to me that you have been given numbers, and you dont know where they lead. I do not know if your led by anything, becuase you theory has holes in it, and it is not clear what your are planning to achieve. Are you the one that will open the scroll?
 
In my years of study I threw what I was getting in the dump at least three times, I had to rewright it over and over again, I could not get it out of my head,If that’s not harrasment I don’t know what is .If you were here my wife would tell you what I went through.
 
This system of understanding you have, is very strange. It is strange theology. Prove to me that you are not being decieved. I dont need use my free will to except anything from you, in order for you to prove your self. 🙂
 
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