Are We Being Forced To Accept Homosexuality?

[Leela]

Is that what I implied? No.

I am making the point consent is not justification for something.

Hi Buffalo,

What a relief! I’m glad that we agree that there is a BIG difference between consensual homosexual activity and non consensual sex such as rape, pedophilia, and bestiality.

Consent may not be justification, but in a pluralistic society, the issue isn’t justification to allow but justification to forbid?

Why forbid if no one is harmed?

Best,
Leela

 

[pnewton]

Why forbid if no one is harmed?

That is a different question than the one here. Here we are asking why is this sort of lifestyle being foistered upon us that believe it is a very serious and grave sin, in the form of classroom education, forcing officers to serve in parades, forcing employers to acknowledge gay “couples” in benefits, etc.

Freedom is touted as the reason it should accepted, yet the freedom for Christians to avoid this ungodly activity is being curtailed.

 

[pnewton]

It is scary that you don’t think consent is important with regard to sexual relations? Are your neighbors aware?

Are you now implying buffalo is a rapist? If the answer is no, then what specifically are you asking if his neighbors are aware of?

 

[Leela]

That is a different question than the one here. Here we are asking why is this sort of lifestyle being foistered upon us that believe it is a very serious and grave sin, in the form of classroom education, forcing officers to serve in parades, forcing employers to acknowledge gay “couples” in benefits, etc.

Freedom is touted as the reason it should accepted, yet the freedom for Christians to avoid this ungodly activity is being curtailed.

Hi pnewton,

I’ve heard it happens in prisons that homosexuality gets forced on a person but not so much in parades or in schools or at work.

Certainly Christians are as free as the rest of us to not be gay?

Best,
Leela

 

[Leela]

Are you now implying buffalo is a rapist? If the answer is no, then what specifically are you asking if his neighbors are aware of?

Hi pnewton,

No, it was all a misunderstanding. Buffalo had said that consent is not an issue with regard to sex?? I was worried, but he assured me that he sees a HUGE difference between consensual relations between adults of the same sex and non-consensual sex such as rape, pedophilia, and bestiality. They are not at all on the same continuum. The neighbors need not be concerned.

Best,
Leela

 

[buffalo]

Hi Buffalo,

What a relief! I’m glad that we agree that there is a BIG difference between consensual homosexual activity and non consensual sex such as rape, pedophilia, and bestiality.

Consent may not be justification, but in a pluralistic society, the issue isn’t justification to allow but justification to forbid?

Why forbid if no one is harmed?

Best,
Leela

Well, the act is harmful in many many ways. In addition your outward disposition is a reflection of your inward in what you say and do. There is no such thing as private sin as your character reflects this in public settings as well. This effects society as a whole.

Medical Issues

 

[buffalo]

Are you now implying buffalo is a rapist? If the answer is no, then what specifically are you asking if his neighbors are aware of?

This is bad for my reputation guys.

 

[edwest2]

Discrimination against Christians for not accepting homosexual sex acts is the issue. Hate speech against Christians for not accepting homosexual sex acts is the other. The Folsom Street Fair comes to mind.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Leela]

Well, the act is harmful in many many ways. In addition your outward disposition is a reflection of your inward in what you say and do. There is no such thing as private sin as your character reflects this in public settings as well. This effects society as a whole.

Medical Issues

Hi Buffalo,

Your Muslim neighbors (who need not be concerned about you), believe that you are sinning whenever you go to church. They believe that you are harmed by it and that you will be damned for it.

Are they in the same way “forced to accept” your Christianity? A Muslim police officer may have to work at an Easter parade? In school their kids are taught that it is okay that you have the beliefs you do and that they must be tolerant of Christians?

They don’t have to like it, but don’t they have to accept it to some extent if they want to live in a pluralistic society?

Best,
Leela

 

[buffalo]

Hi Buffalo,

Your Muslim neighbors (who need not be concerned about you), believe that you are sinning whenever you go to church. They believe that you are harmed by it and that you will be damned for it.

Are they in the same way “forced to accept” your Christianity? A Muslim police officer may have to work at an Easter parade? In school their kids are taught that it is okay that you have the beliefs you do and that they must be tolerant of Christians?

They don’t have to like it, but don’t they have to accept it to some extent if they want to live in a pluralistic society?

Best,
Leela

By your argument all beliefs are equal?

 

[Leela]

By your argument all beliefs are equal?

Hi Buffalo,

I must have missed that part of my own argument? I’m just suggesting you try to put yourself in another’s shoes?

The idea of a liberal democracy is that we are all allowed to have our own idea of what’s good. No one is saying you have to do gay stuff. You are free to look away when you see a gay couple. You don’t have to have any homosexuals over for dinner. I don’t see where you are forced to do anything?

Best,
Leela

 

[Annn]

Well, the act is harmful in many many ways. In addition your outward disposition is a reflection of your inward in what you say and do. There is no such thing as private sin as your character reflects this in public settings as well. This effects society as a whole.

Medical Issues

Consenting gay adults in monogamous relationships who get tested before sexual activity and are clean are not placing each other in any medical harm.

 

[buffalo]

Hi Buffalo,

I must have missed that part of my own argument? I’m just suggesting you try to put yourself in another’s shoes?

The idea of a liberal democracy is that we are all allowed to have our own idea of what’s good. No one is saying you have to do gay stuff. You are free to look away when you see a gay couple. You don’t have to have any homosexuals over for dinner. I don’t see where you are forced to do anything?

Best,
Leela

This thinking excludes the ultimate search for the truth. That is why man needs divine law.

Are you willing to trade a pluralistic society for one that seeks ultimate truth?

 

[pnewton]

Certainly Christians are as free as the rest of us to not be gay?

That is not the issue, as I think you are aware if you have read any of this thread. It is the freedom of a policeman not to have to march in a gay parade that is challenged. It is the freedom of a parent to raise children without the school foistering the demonic belief that Joe, Bill and kids are a “family” that we fight for. Heck, Catholics can’t even post on a Catholic website without some gay rights activist jumping in and accusing them of hate. This thread is not about homosexuality, per se, but the shoving of this deviancy down the throats of others. What the promoters of homosexuality fail to realize is that they are creating a tidal wave of backlash. Most Americans do not wish to regulate homosexual activity, any more than they are adultery. But if this barrage continues on the right of the mainstream, then it will not be to the benefit of gay rights. The intolerance of the tolerance movement is going to blow up in their face.

 

[Leela]

This thinking excludes the ultimate search for the truth. That is why man needs divine law.

Are you willing to trade a pluralistic society for one that seeks ultimate truth?

Hi Buffalo,

This search for ultimate truth can’t be conducted among others with different concepts of the good?

Does the US need divine law? They have it in parts of the Middle East. I don’t think I want any part of that sort of society.

Best,
Leela

 

[buffalo]

Hi Buffalo,

This search for ultimate truth can’t be conducted among others with different concepts of the good?

Does the US need divine law? They have it in parts of the Middle East. I don’t think I want any part of that sort of society.

Best,
Leela

The ultimate truth is not taking parts we like. The ultimate truth is binding on all of us. (it is right know whether we acknowledge it or not). Do Muslims possess the fullness of truth? Are their traditions and interpretations wrong?

Is it possible to search for the ultimate truth or should we just give up because groups will not?

Science does not tolerate falshoods. It is the biggest proponent of searching for emperical truths.

Keeping the search for truth out of our schools, the public square is self limiting.

 

[7wordsoflove]

let us be truthful to ourself. we can all find a canopy in our heart to shelter evil in the name of being human. homosexuality is EVIL and for what so ever there is no justification. As christain we should confront evil and call it out even when it is uncomfortable for us to do so. if we accept homosexuality as a way of life or an act that people are not responsible for, then some day we shall condone with killing and all kind of evils in the name of doing Gods work. By brothers and sisters in Christ salvation is real and the ways of God are sacred and holy .Ephesians tells us that "our struggle is not against flesh and blood but against the power of this dark world and the spiritual forces of evil in this heavenly realms. he has given us his words and those words surely will never failed. to people who condone with homosexuality i say, return from you sinful ways and receive the gospel, for each man reaps what he plants.

 

[Shannon9791]

Consenting gay adults in monogamous relationships who get tested before sexual activity and are clean are not placing each other in any medical harm.

This isn’t completely true. MSM’s are often more likely to end up with anal cancer and problems with their excretory system. That is supposed to be an exit only area, and it can’t handle the strain of anal sex. Also, there is the possibility of infections of different types if the “top” doesn’t completely clean himself after having sex. There are a host of other possible problems that come from this type of sex, and while there are the same problems for heterosexual couples who practice this type of sex, it isn’t the “main” kind of sex hetero couples practice.

I apologize if this is too explicit or gross (which it is), but those are real possibilities.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

I agree with most of the Catholics on this thread, because I think homosexual acts are exceedingly sinful. Also many homosexuals have multiple partners and spread diseases.

However, I think in some ways, homosexuals should be allowed to form a union with their partner, if they desire, NOT marriage, but a legal bond and the REASON is: they would have to be more accountable. For example, they would have to get a divorce and divide property if they split up. This might help end all the casual relationships they form with one another. Maybe not, but it might help.

Our society is full of very vocal and politically savvy homosexuals. I don’t see their “agenda” going away soon. It’s awful, but the way to protect your children is (as with any other immoral things), talk to them, communicate with them, and KEEP religion in their lives.

 

[Aramis]

My Catholic Parish, St. Michael The Archangel Catholic Church in Glen Allen VA, has a group ‘We Are Family’ which supports Gay and Lesbian Catholics. I’m not sure that the Catholic Church is particularly ‘against’ homosexuality… at least not in any sense that would ask Gay and Lesbians to renounce an identity derived from ‘same-sex attraction’.

I’ve never, personally, been at these ‘We Are Family’ meeting but I wonder if it isn’t a Gay/Lesbian Advocacy Group openly operating at St. Michael’s but it does seem that the parish accepts Homosexuality.

I’ve never seen a Catholic Parish openly preach against Homosexuality, Abortion, or any sin except ‘self-righteousness’… except on Forums like this one. I’m wondering if the views on this forum isn’t only a very very small minority of Catholics who hold these views.

You need to be praying for your diocese, then.

Various papal writings, including Humanae Vitae, condemn abortion and homosexual activity, and compel catholics to do likewise.