I’ve never seen anything conclusively state that men have more problems with rectal/anal cancer. I’ve seen a lot of people claim this, but no conclusive studies. Do you have one?This isn’t completely true. MSM’s are often more likely to end up with anal cancer and problems with their excretory system. That is supposed to be an exit only area, and it can’t handle the strain of anal sex. Also, there is the possibility of infections of different types if the “top” doesn’t completely clean himself after having sex. There are a host of other possible problems that come from this type of sex, and while there are the same problems for heterosexual couples who practice this type of sex, it isn’t the “main” kind of sex hetero couples practice.
I apologize if this is too explicit or gross (which it is), but those are real possibilities.
Hi pnewton,That is not the issue, as I think you are aware if you have read any of this thread. It is the freedom of a policeman not to have to march in a gay parade that is challenged. It is the freedom of a parent to raise children without the school foistering the demonic belief that Joe, Bill and kids are a “family” that we fight for. Heck, Catholics can’t even post on a Catholic website without some gay rights activist jumping in and accusing them of hate. This thread is not about homosexuality, per se, but the shoving of this deviancy down the throats of others. What the promoters of homosexuality fail to realize is that they are creating a tidal wave of backlash. Most Americans do not wish to regulate homosexual activity, any more than they are adultery. But if this barrage continues on the right of the mainstream, then it will not be to the benefit of gay rights. The intolerance of the tolerance movement is going to blow up in their face.
Not definitive proof but should satisfy your need for something:I’ve never seen anything conclusively state that men have more problems with rectal/anal cancer. I’ve seen a lot of people claim this, but no conclusive studies. Do you have one?
As for infections, cleaning up after oneself cuts out that possibility.
PS: Many straight couples engage in anal sex, too. And many gay male couples do not.
I’m not looking to hijack the thread or keep talking about things that are graphic, so if you want to continue this PM me. If you’re a responsible person, “in the heat of the moment” you will look to make things safe, by, in this case, getting a condom and by cleaning up after. And thank you for the link but I do not count this as conclusive evidence.Not definitive proof but should satisfy your need for something:
webmd.com/news/20000531/gay-men-should-be-checked-for-anal-cancer-experts-say
And yes oneself can clean themself after anal sex to reduce the risk, but when in “the heat of the moment” who’s going to say “hold up, we gotta stop, I gotta go jump in the shower”? And that doesn’t account for the tearing of anal tissue and fecal matter getting into those areas and infecting them.
And I did say that straight couples practice anal sex, but I’d be willing to bet that more gay men do than straight.
Again, I apologize for the gross post.
Gay Marriage is being forced on society. But it goes far beyond ‘equal protection under the law.’ Now, it is very clear that a desire to see a sick partner in the hospital or property rights are not important, but indoctrinating kids as to what a small minority tells them is “normal” is. There are no ‘diversity bags’ for improving black-white relations. There are no black-white friends clubs promoted in schools.Hi Buffalo,
I must have missed that part of my own argument? I’m just suggesting you try to put yourself in another’s shoes?
The idea of a liberal democracy is that we are all allowed to have our own idea of what’s good. No one is saying you have to do gay stuff. You are free to look away when you see a gay couple. You don’t have to have any homosexuals over for dinner. I don’t see where you are forced to do anything?
Best,
Leela
I don’t think it’s “homosexuality” that you are being forced to accept. Rather, I think that what’s actually being forced upon you is the truth about the “age old” religious lies about it. You can still choose to discriminate against gay people if you like. No one is stopping you. Just know that you won’t have the scriptures or the secular authorities in your corner.I think the fact that we’re getting all these lengthy and convoluted and questionable arguments that make homosexuality sound OK is pretty convincing proof that we ARE being forced to accept homosexuality.
Billions of people around the world do not accept it.
Ahhh - we have been duped. We should have recognized this long ago. Silly us. All these years we have been primitive in our thinking and the new enlightenment proves us wrong.I don’t think it’s “homosexuality” that you are being forced to accept. Rather, I think that what’s actually being forced upon you is the truth about the “age old” religious lies about it. You can still choose to discriminate against gay people if you like. No one is stopping you. Just know that you won’t have the scriptures or the secular authorities in your corner.
Are you willing to dig deeper as Christians are admonished and willing to test what you deem as “true”, also as Christians are admonished? Or are you satisfied with the unexamined, inconsistent elements scattered throughout your flawed perspective?Ahhh - we have been duped. We should have recognized this long ago. Silly us. All these years we have been primitive in our thinking and the new enlightenment proves us wrong.
Scripture and Tradition are in our corner. They have been and the constant teaching of the Church has been homosexual acts are wrong. That is undeniable. It is you who have been duped.
Gn 1:27 - complementarity of sexes reflects God’s inner unity
Gn 2:21-24 - transmission of life through total self-donation - one flesh
Gn 19 - original sin deteriorates to Sodom’s sin, destroyed
Lv18:22 - called abomination, cut off from people (v.29)
Lv 20;13 - both shall be put to death for abominable deed
Rom 1;27 - called unnatural, shameful, and a perversity
1Cor 6:9 - active homosexuals won’t inherit kingdom of God
1Tim 1:9-10 - those who engage in such acts called sinners
Yes I am. I accept what the Catholic Church teaches.Are you willing to dig deeper as Christians are admonished and willing to test what you deem as “true”, also as Christians are admonished? Or are you satisfied with the unexamined, inconsistent elements scattered throughout your flawed perspective?
Relatively speaking, that’s actually the easy part. However, as you are probably already starting to realize, getting those teachings to coincide with biblical facts as preserved within Sacred Scripture isn’t.Yes I am. I accept what the Catholic Church teaches.
You need to go back to the beginning of the thread. Then you would understand exactly what and how it is being forced upon us.Hi pnewton,
I’ve heard it happens in prisons that homosexuality gets forced on a person but not so much in parades or in schools or at work.
Certainly Christians are as free as the rest of us to not be gay?
Best,
Leela
Convince me that there was a third person in the Garden of Eden. Namely a man as a partner for Adam. Maybe then I will take your claims seriously.Relatively speaking, that’s actually the easy part. However, as you are probably already starting to realize, getting those teachings to coincide with biblical facts as preserved within Sacred Scripture isn’t.
Hi Buffalo,
Your Muslim neighbors (who need not be concerned about you), believe that you are sinning whenever you go to church. They believe that you are harmed by it and that you will be damned for it.
Are they in the same way “forced to accept” your Christianity? A Muslim police officer may have to work at an Easter parade?
I think it is wrong to force a Muslim police officer to work at an Easter Parade. That is wrong.
In school their kids are taught that it is okay that you have the beliefs you do and that they must be tolerant of Christians?
They don’t have to like it, but don’t they have to accept it to some extent if they want to live in a pluralistic society?
We should never be forced to support it in any way. And we don’t send our children to school to learn about social issues that are contraversial. We send them to learn to read, write, learn mathmatics, history and science. Not sex education.
Best,
Leela
Wouldn’t that pluralistic society be akin to Anarchy?This thinking excludes the ultimate search for the truth. That is why man needs divine law.
Are you willing to trade a pluralistic society for one that seeks ultimate truth?
No - the state religion is secularism.Wouldn’t that pluralistic society be akin to Anarchy?
So is this your way of trying to side-step your flawed perspective of the Sodom story all together?Convince me that there was a third person in the Garden of Eden. Namely a man as a partner for Adam. Maybe then I will take your claims seriously.
Yup! Happily.So is this your way of trying to side-step your flawed perspective of the Sodom story all together?
Just what are we supposed to examine and dig deeper with? We have Scripture and Tradition. What exactly do you have that is more true?Are you willing to dig deeper as Christians are admonished and willing to test what you deem as “true”, also as Christians are admonished? Or are you satisfied with the unexamined, inconsistent elements scattered throughout your flawed perspective?
They coincide perfectly. Where are your teachings coming from?Relatively speaking, that’s actually the easy part. However, as you are probably already starting to realize, getting those teachings to coincide with biblical facts as preserved within Sacred Scripture isn’t.