Are We Being Forced To Accept Homosexuality?

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All people are good because they are created in the image and likeness of God. Having same sex attraction does not make you a bad person, but acting on them makes you a sinner in the eyes of God.

I am not being bigoted and I am not discriminating against those with same sex attraction. What gave you the impression that I was?
immorality is the gay platform - most gay tendencies lead to sex marriage adoption . homosexuality is anti - holy it goes against the natural life -you can not have a baby naturaly. there for you can not promote life - because homosexuality was created as evil by the devil - a believe all this homo stuff is a fad - for librals to live an immoral life -to do what they want in the end you will be eatten by the devil himself
 
IN this you are mistaken. The original Hebrew is quite clear. I agree that the word “sodomy” comes from this Sodom. However, that doesn’t mean it is based on a correct translation.
Why are the men mentioned separately if they meant all of the people in the town. There is usually a reason for mentioning the men separately…like they want a count of how many people there were there. There are places in the NT where this is done. But it does not fit with this particular story.

So please explain.
 
I, history, and the biblical facts themselves unapologetically disagree with these false assertions without question! In fact, I would be more than willing to “debate”, the inaccuracy of your faulty position in its entirety. And in the name of all that is true, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that when we are through, if you value scripture and the loving God responsible for its truth, you will have no choice but to rethink and ultimately recant your flawed, unbiblical, and yes unloving position.
The OT and the NT speaks of homosexual acts as grave sins. In the OT it was a killing offense. In the NT, people were excommunicated.

How can you claim that it is unBiblical, or that you can win the argument against the Word of God? And we are called to love all men, but we are not called to accept the actions of sinful men as though they are not sinful. Just the opposite in fact.
 
What are you referring to. The post had nothing to do with Scripture. The generalization to an absolute that all these gays attack opposition by throwing out the hate card was too absolute. But the main point is still valid, and has nothing to do with Sacred Scripture. So-called “Hate” laws have been used to silence legitimate theological opinion and the classic position of Christianity on the evil of homosexual acts.

Yes, you too stooped to that tactic by calling him un-loving.
Truth is love. If you avoid one, you also avoid the other. If you are unwilling to embrace the truth as preserved in Scripture and not the lies about gays as found outside of it, then what do you think that says about your love towards your brother, especially if you claim to be a Christian? Jesus immortalized the command to love your brother AS YOU WOULD YOURSELF. He even regarded it as one of the two laws from which all the others rely. As a result, I am more compassionate towards the rights of individuals to live lives that are not stigmatized and misrepresented than the right of the “legitmate theological opinion”, to stigmatize, misrepresent, and lie about the lives of others. To do so, “classically” even, as you admit, behind the guise of religion and within the face of scriptural truths is indeed “hate”. And sadly, too many “Christians” are blinded by it.
 
The OT and the NT speaks of homosexual acts as grave sins. In the OT it was a killing offense. In the NT, people were excommunicated.

How can you claim that it is unBiblical, or that you can win the argument against the Word of God? And we are called to love all men, but we are not called to accept the actions of sinful men as though they are not sinful. Just the opposite in fact.
“Homosexual acts”? I’m assumming you’re taking this general terminology to incude females as well. If so, then where in the OT does God address them?
 
dempsey,
it doesn’t matter what is being said on TV. what matters is what the Bible teaches.
Rom.1:22-32
Rom 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Rom 1:22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

Rom 1:25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator–who is forever praised. Amen.

Rom 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

Rom 1:27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Rom 1:28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.

Rom 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,

Rom 1:30 slanderers, God‑haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;

Rom 1:31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

Rom 1:32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve

See also Lev.18:22, 20:13, 1Cor. 6:9-10
what is your opinion now? 🙂

God bless,
jean8
While you’re at it, do you mind posting the scriptures that promote slavery, head coverings for women, polygamy, interest free loans, and the idea that it’s okay to throw your daughters to an angry mob for appeasement, just to name a few. And since your above post is your out-of context approach to scripture, then you won’t mind listing the scriptures to support the stipulations I provided either.
But this is only the beginning. If you are willing to dig deeper, you’ll find that the scriptures you posted are not only out of context, but in many translations are completly out of touch with the actual language they supposedly represent.
Dig deeper still and you will find that the nature of the “anti-gay” lie as presented in the early Catholic wiritngs are embarassingly inconcistent with the present-day method used to maintain that same lie.
You have bit off more than may be willing to chew. But nevertheless I will call you out on it every step of the way.
 
Why are the men mentioned separately if they meant all of the people in the town. There is usually a reason for mentioning the men separately…like they want a count of how many people there were there. There are places in the NT where this is done. But it does not fit with this particular story.

So please explain.
Before his explaination let me first ask you. Just for the record, to whom or what do you attriburte your current understanding that Gen. 19:5 is a reference in support of the reasoning that Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality.
 
Truth is love.
You accused someone else of being unbiblical, so where in the Bible do you get that scripture? Or that idea for that matter?

Rather, it is no act of love to confirm people in mortal sin while they head toward possible eternal damnation.
 
And since your above post is your out-of context approach to scripture, then you won’t mind listing the scriptures to support the stipulations I provided either.
Out of context???

The whole passage is posted. What do you want, the whole book of Romans?

In you we see the wisdom of God in establishing a divine authority for interpretation of scripture and the danger of allowing each person decide for themselves. It is too easy to disregard that which we dislike and twist the Word of God, like Satan when he tempted Christ, to justify our own depravity. Your answer to this passage is like pechulant child who is trying to convince his parents that he is not all that bad because the kid down the street is worse. Each scripture must be taken it’s own context.

For example, slavery is not promoted. It was a fact of life in the time of the Apostles. They dealt with the reality they had.
 
The Gay Rights Movement silence all opposition using the world “hate.”
Boy, you weren’t kidding!
God responsible for its truth, you will have no choice but to rethink and ultimately recant your flawed, unbiblical, and yes unloving position.
To do so, “classically” even, as you admit, behind the guise of religion and within the face of scriptural truths is indeed “hate”. And sadly, too many “Christians” are blinded by it.
That’s just in the last two days.
 
dempsey,
it doesn’t matter what is being said on TV. what matters is what the Bible teaches.
Rom.1:22-32
Rom 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Rom 1:22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

Rom 1:25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator–who is forever praised. Amen.

Rom 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

Rom 1:27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Rom 1:28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.

Rom 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,

Rom 1:30 slanderers, God‑haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;

Rom 1:31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

Rom 1:32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve

See also Lev.18:22, 20:13, 1Cor. 6:9-10
what is your opinion now? 🙂

God bless,
jean8
Hi Jean8,

If we are to follow what the Bible teaches, I don’t think we as women even have a say in the matter or any matter…

1 Corinthians 14:34-36
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1 Timothy 2:11-15
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.

Best,
Leela
 
Hi Jean8,

1 Corinthians 14:34-36
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
We are not in Church.
1 Timothy 2:11-15
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.
Posting here is not an excercise of authority.

It is also soundless.😃

Both of these passages refer to women in liturgical and ecclessial setting. This place is neither. The topic here is not the role of women, although you could start a thread on the topic. If you are implying women shouldn’t be allowed to post here, then that would need to go into the suggestion box.
 
We are not in Church.

Posting here is not an excercise of authority.

It is also soundless.😃

Both of these passages refer to women in liturgical and ecclessial setting. This place is neither. The topic here is not the role of women, although you could start a thread on the topic. If you are implying women shouldn’t be allowed to post here, then that would need to go into the suggestion box.
Hi pnewton,

Your position is that woman are actually allowed to have a view on homosexuality so long as they keep silent in all ecclesial settings? It seems that if you take to heart what the Bible says on homosexulaity you should also take to heart what it says about other things? Just making sure you are consistent.

Best,
Leela
 
Hi pnewton,

Your position is that woman are actually allowed to have a view on homosexuality so long as they keep silent in all ecclesial settings?
No, my opinion is that you used the verse for something it was not intended, switched subject and threw up a red herring. The verse above is unrelated to homosexuality.

I am not going to argue if homosexual activity is evil. The Catechism is 100% clear on that subject.
 
I am not going to argue if homosexual activity is evil. The Catechism is 100% clear on that subject.
Exactly! The Catholic Church could not be any clearer on this subject. It is also interesting that Conservative Protestantism and Evangelicalism also condemns active homosexuality as sinful. Furthermore, both Islam and Conservative Judaism regard homosexuality as sinful. Catholicism is not the only major world religion that condemns active homosexuality. This fact alone shows that homosexuality is widely disagreed with.
 
I am not going to argue if homosexual activity is evil. The Catechism is 100% clear on that subject.
Hi pnewton,

You are under no obligation to debate. I am just curious about why people think homosexuality is wrong. Your answer is quite clear. It is wrong for you because the Catechism says so. It must be nice not having to think?

enjoy your day,
Leela
 
My regrets but I have a rant…

Very interesting thread here but I think the larger point is being overlooked. Since the 1960’s maybe earlier there has been a strong determined effort to usurp traditional attitudes towards sex and marriage. Lets face it there had always been porn and if someone wanted it they could find it just like prostitution. However, following WWII there was an explosion of pornography because of cheaper mass production. Then came the porn creep into society with the constant pounding in the media and advertisement that there is a whole lot of fun to be had out there and you better get yours while the getting is good.

What has pornography to do with this discusion? This porn message hasn’t changed. It is simply anything that interferes with a person getting their orgasm at any time and anywhere is bad. It doesn’t matter whether it is male or female the other person is only your tool with little more significance then for masturbation purposes. Once they are no longer fun time to drop them and get another. Sit down and study the messages in the popular shows. This was first marketed to heterosexuals and still is but, now it is the homosexuals turn. Equating gay sex with heterosexual marital i.e. monogamous marital sex only demonstrates the superficial attitude this modern philosophy has regarding sex between two people. Marriage is more than sex it is more than relationship it is more than romance and more than just raising children. Once you take the sacramental aspect out of it you forfeit any means to prevent it from being redefined. Even primitive cultures have an understanding that what they call marriage is more than the sum of the parts even if they do not use Judeo-Christian terminology for it. Once the sacred mystery is removed anything goes.

My own opinion is at best gay sex can be equated to heterosexual adultery and fornication even if they are committed couples but not sacramentally married. If homosexuals living together and fornicating can be called a marriage then what logic is there prohibiting anything. Someone mentioned Broke Back Mountain well, you might as well re-shoot Broke Back Mountain and have the cowboy engage in bestiality and marriage can be with his horse. And why not, because maybe he has a bestiality gene or the dude was traumatized in the stable somewhere.

The point is once these opinion makers are done ramming homosexual right down everyone’s throat they will begin pushing for legalization of pedophilia by reducing the age of consent to may be 7. Not all at once but by gradual measures fist 14, then 12, 10 et cetera. Happy future isn’t it.
 
Hi pnewton,

You are under no obligation to debate. I am just curious about why people think homosexuality is wrong. Your answer is quite clear. It is wrong for you because the Catechism says so. It must be nice not having to think?

enjoy your day,
Leela
It is against the natural order. Human sexual activity is primarily designed for reproduction. Homosexual sexual acts cannot bring children into the world. Presenting homosexual sex acts as ordered or normal goes against these principles.

Too many people think that some sort of new, new knowledge invalidates the established facts that a man and a woman are needed for humans to reproduce, that these two people are responsible for raising the children they brought into this world and that the man and the woman are also the role models that the children depend on to interact with other men and women.

It is sad that sex has replaced love as the reason for relationships. Everyone is called to celibacy, whether heterosexual or homosexual.

Peace,
Ed
 
…Someone mentioned Broke Back Mountain well, you might as well re-shoot Broke Back Mountain and have the cowboy engage in bestiality and marriage can be with his horse. And why not, because maybe he has a bestiality gene or the dude was traumatized in the stable somewhere.

The point is once these opinion makers are done ramming homosexual right down everyone’s throat they will begin pushing for legalization of pedophilia by reducing the age of consent to may be 7. Not all at once but by gradual measures fist 14, then 12, 10 et cetera. Happy future isn’t it.
Hi Steve.

I think there is a HUUUUGE difference between homosexuality and pedophilia and bestiality. You are comparing consensual sex between adults to sex with animals and children that are not in a position to consent to it.

Best,
Leela
 
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