Are wealthy countries in anyway responsible to lift poor countries out of poverty?

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“Socialism is based nevertheless on a theory of human society peculiar to itself and irreconcilable with true Christianity. Religious socialism, Christian socialism, are contradictory terms; no one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist.”
  • Pope Pius XI, Encyclical Quadragesimo Anno, May 15, 1931
 
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So tell me. what is wrong with my responding to monte? What gives you the right to demand that I not respond to him?
 
“Socialism is based nevertheless on a theory of human society peculiar to itself and irreconcilable with true Christianity. Religious socialism, Christian socialism, are contradictory terms; no one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist.”
  • Pope Pius XI, Encyclical Quadragesimo Anno, May 15, 1931
So the question is, where the line between big government and socialism exist? The Church clearly believes socialism is wrong, but we need to know exactly what socialism is?
 

No 20th- or 21st-century communist state has created the post-scarcity economy Marx promised in the 19th century. More often, the result has been acute scarcity: tens of millions of people died as a result of famine and political violence after the People’s Republic of China was established in 1949, for example. Rather than eliminating class, China’s and Russia’s communist revolutions created small, enormously wealthy Party cliques that profited from connections to state-owned enterprises. Cuba, Laos, North Korea and Vietnam, the world’s only remaining communist states (with the exception of de facto capitalist China), have a combined gross domestic product (GDP) roughly the size of Tennessee’s.

Socialism

Socialism predates the Communist Manifesto by a few decades. Early versions of socialist thought were articulated by Henri de Saint-Simon (1760-1825), who was himself an admirer of ur-capitalist Adam Smith, but whose followers developed utopian socialism; Robert Owen (1771-1858); Charles Fourier (1772-1837); Pierre Leroux (1797-1871); and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon (1809-1865), who is famous for declaring that “property is theft.”

These thinkers put forward ideas such as a more egalitarian distribution of wealth, a sense of solidarity among the working class, better working conditions, and common ownership of productive resources such as land and manufacturing equipment. Some called for the state to take a central role in production and distribution. They were contemporary with early workers’ movements such as the Chartists, who pushed for universal male suffrage in Britain in the 1840s and 1850s. A number of experimental communities were founded based on the early socialists’ utopian ideals; most were short-lived. (See also, What Exactly Is a Socialist Economy? )
 
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Marxism emerged in this milieu. Engels called it “scientific socialism” to distinguish it from the “feudal,” “petty-bourgeois,” “German,” “conservative” and “critical-utopian” strains the Communist Manifesto singled out for criticism. Socialism was a diffuse bundle of competing ideologies in its early days, and it stayed that way. Part of the reason is that the first chancellor of newly unified Germany, Otto von Bismarck, stole the socialists’ thunder when he implemented a number of their policies. Bismarck was no friend to socialist ideologues, whom he called “enemies of the Reich,” but he created the West’s first welfare state and implemented universal male suffrage in order to head off the left’s ideological challenge.

Since the 19thcentury, a hard-left brand of socialism has advocated radical societal overhaul – if not an outright proletarian revolution – that would redistribute power and wealth along more equitable lines. Strains of anarchism have also been present in this more radical wing of the socialist intellectual tradition. Perhaps as a result of Bismarck’s grand bargain, however, many socialists have seen gradual political change as the means to improving society. Such “reformists,” as hardliners call them, were often aligned with “social gospel” Christian movements in the early 20thcentury. They logged a number of policy victories: regulations mandating workplace safety, minimum wages, pension schemes, social insurance, universal healthcare and a range of other public services, which are generally funded by relatively high taxes.

After the world wars, socialist parties became a dominant political force in much of Western Europe. Along with communism, various forms of socialism were heavily influential in the newly decolonized countries of Africa, Asia and the Middle East, where leaders and intellectuals recast socialist ideas in a local mold – or vice-versa. Islamic socialism, for example, centers on zakat , the requirement that pious Muslims give away a portion of their accumulated wealth. Meanwhile socialists across the rich world aligned themselves with a range of liberation movements. In the U.S., many, though by no means all, feminist and civil rights leaders have espoused aspects of socialism.

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Monte,

As ambitious as your ideas are,no disrespect but solutions need to be based on reality.
Unfortunately,Wild boars are full of bacteria,viruses and parasites which can be transmitted to humans if they eat them.
Eating wild boars can cause people to get Hepatitis E,tuberculosis, leptospirosis and trichinellosis.

Also,regardless of whether certain societies may find eating them acceptable,the same goes for the eating of cockroaches or other such crawling bugs.
Likewise for eating wild snakes.
To be frank,and I don’t want this to come out as being disrespectful,but it might be said that the societies where this is acceptable are in a way '‘unevolved’ in thinking ( in certain areas).

Effective solutions need to involve increasing that populations health and not just focus on decreasing deaths from malnutrition,but also on decreasing death and illnesses from health conditions (whether due to eating wild boars or drinking unsanitary water or water with heavy metal contamination etc)…

Also to increase the locals education about eating wild things and provide them with alternatives.
Their “unawareness” about health is often part of the problem.
Eg:when my father was a child gypsies used to come to his mums door asking whether any of her chickens etc had died from diseases.
Then they would go and literally dig that chicken up and eat it as they lack any knowledge that this can cause them illnesses or they will even dismiss the suggestion.



 
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Unfortunately,Wild boars are full of bacteria,viruses and parasites which can be transmitted to humans if they eat them.
Eating wild boars can cause people to get Hepatitis E,tuberculosis, leptospirosis and trichinellosis.
I’ve never seen him suggest people eat the boars uncooked.
 
Giving financial aid to poor countries like Cuba and Venezuela really wouldn’t lift them out of poverty. It may be a benefit to those suffering in those socialist heck holes, but after the aid is consumed, the country would be just as poor as they were before.

I don’t think that wealthy countries have any responsibility to go into these countries and dispose of Madura or the Castro brothers to actually lift the countries out of poverty. Even thought it would be positive if they would leave, the violence it would take makes it a questionable proposition.
 
Giving financial aid to poor countries like Cuba and Venezuela really wouldn’t lift them out of poverty. It may be a benefit to those suffering in those socialist heck holes, but after the aid is consumed, the country would be just as poor as they were before.
I would argue that just because countries have bad governments does not totally exempt us from our obligation to the poor. I would agree that it would be imprudent to just hand Raul a check and tell him to give it to the poor. But we should search for ways to directly help the poor, even if they are somewhat circuitous.
 
I would argue that just because countries have bad governments does not totally exempt us from our obligation to the poor.
Fair enough, I’m pointing out that Charity may relieve someone’s bad situation, but it usually doesn’t lift them out of poverty, which is the issue posed by the OP
 
I’m far from a wild boar expert lol but personally I wouldn’t take the risk even if the meat was well cooked.
There’s suggestion that people can get Brucellosis just from handling/butchering the meat.

I’m sure they can do some safety precautions but I highly doubt that people from undereducated/undernourished countries would strictly adhere to them.


https://www.easttexasmatters.com/ne...rs-read-this-before-eating-hog-meat/944227435
 
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Fair enough, I’m pointing out that Charity may relieve someone’s bad situation, but it usually doesn’t lift them out of poverty, which is the issue posed by the OP
Part of the problem is that it is hard to tell what exactly lifts someone out of poverty. Even in poor countries, people can rise up and become millionaires. But we don’t know much about how to predict who will and who won’t. I have a friend who came to America 50 years ago. Why he made it out and others didn’t is a mystery to us. We think that an American peace corps kid might have had a big influence on him, but that is just speculation on our part.
 
Feral hogs or wild pigs are so numerous in the United States that they have become a MAJOR problem.

Even if you merely kill them, then merely disposing of the carcasses is a major issue.

One agent said they used to dump them in rivers … and then the alligators became a problem.

And it’s not only just feral hogs, but also deer … which destroy crops and spread tick-borne diseases such as Lyme Disease.

They are everywhere.

What else can you do?

http://discussions.texasbowhunter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=669231

I put a dead snake in the road and an eagle swooped it up.
 
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“Communisim, socialism call it what you like
There’s very little difference in the two”
Marty Robbins - Ain’t I Right

 
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