Are you in favor of a New World Order (world governance)?

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No, it would cause a lot of controversy, theories, ppl will talk. It would cause so much chaos.
 
TEPO said:
What is your definition of “conspiracy”…?:confused:

…why are you so bent on that word?
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con·spir·a·cy
[kuhn-spir-uh-see] Show IPA
noun, plural con·spir·a·cies.
1.
the act of conspiring.
2.
an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3.
a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4.
Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5.
any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

You are the one who brought up conspiracy, not me.
TEPO said:
I have zero patience for freemason advocates here on these Catholic Forums. You should stop. Any Catholic who becomes a freemason is automatically excommunicated. Aside from that, the only conspiracy here is freemasonry itself. What kind fraudulent group keeps everything they do secret except for one thing -charity! That is a conspiracy in itself. So who’s Tubalcain? Who’s Hirab Abiff? Trust me, I know enough about that group I could pass for one myself. Besides, the Catholic Chirch is the number one supporter of Charity in the world. The masons only supply a small fraction of what the Holy Church does, and the church isn’t crooked.

If you want to talk about “think tanks” I can back that up with sources… I’ve already got a thread started on it. See you there. 👍
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freeRadical said:
I fail to see how an organization that devotes so much time and money to helping children with horrible diseases can be linked to Satan. I know many Masons and Shriners and they are kind, compassionate men who devote considerable amounts of their own time, energy, and money to helping others, especially children. They are not evil. There is no worldwide Freemason conspiracy.
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…yeah -that was from post # 82. :rolleyes:

(If you’re not sure about something, just say you don’t know or don’t respond… But don’t lie.)
 
TEPO said:
In reality sir, just about every person or ‘group’ that works under the guise of philanthropy is involved primarily with directing the flow of money. There are always special interests behind these charitables. It’s all about generating monies and keeping that money flowing within the hands of a selected group…
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This is from post 81. That sounds like conspiracy thinking to me.
 
TEPO said:
Well, in this age there are billions of Freemasons who don’t even know they’re freemasons. Pretty much anyone who works with “think tanks” are completing what the masons began. There are millions of think tanks and the UN is like the mother ship of them all. Masonic ideology is beyond widespread these days.

…currently, this ideology is in the middle of a confrontation with the Middle East. That’s probably the final phase before global governance becomes a reality IMHO.
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Hmmm, sure sounds like paranoia and conspiracy talk to me.
 
mikekle said:
I think you are dead right, sad but true. Those parents unknowingly would be be condemning themselves and possibly their kids to eternal hell, (kids will be required to get the mark too) just so they could put off any type of worldly suffering for a short time…that is amazing to me!!

If the mark is a reference to something in the past, such as Nero, then we must entertain the notion that maybe the rest of the bible was intended for times past as well and are not relevant in our time, or was not directed at us. It cant be both.
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That is my main opposition to the healthcare mandate. I’m not sure if this is a current version. The mandate is morphing daily it seems.

housedocs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

Page 1501 - 1508 registry

Class III - 1502
Class II - 1502, 1507

A registry for all Americans? The devises also are scary. One type refers to pace makers etc, the other refers to a RFID chip. SEE THE LINK BELOW.

youtu.be/Hq3vtjXEGy8

These are also being used as debit cards are used. SEE LINK BELOW.

youtu.be/eob532iEpqk

Used as a status symbol at clubs & security ID. See link below

youtu.be/o9WpQha_QG0

You can see that it would just be a matter of time before it was widely accepted. How quickly did we ditch checks for debit cards & online bill pay?

It would eventually contain all your information. Medical records, financial records, ID, drivers license, passport, key card at work, criminal records… You see the possibilities. You could be erased or worse by whoever is in charge of managing the system. This is so real but anyone who mentions the bible is considered crazy. Catholics better heed the word of a God or we too can be lost.

Apocalypse 13:15-18

And it was given him to give life to the image of the beast: and that the image of the beast should speak: and should cause that whosoever will not adore the image of the beast should be slain. And he shall make all, both little and great, rich and poor, freemen and bondmen, to have a character in their right hand or on their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, but he that hath the character, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast. For it is the number of a man: and the number of him is six hundred sixty-six.

Apocalypse 19:19-20

And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies, gathered together to make war with him that sat upon the horse and with his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet who wrought signs before him, wherewith he seduced them who received the character of the beast and who adored his image. These two were cast alive into the pool of fire burning with brimstone.
 
freeRadical said:
I fail to see how an organization that devotes so much time and money to helping children with horrible diseases can be linked to Satan. I know many Masons and Shriners and they are kind, compassionate men who devote considerable amounts of their own time, energy, and money to helping others, especially children. They are not evil. There is no worldwide Freemason conspiracy.
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Your name gives you away. FREE RADICAL???

The Church has made it very clear that Freemasonry is forbidden to Catholics. A person can NOT be a freemason AND a Catholic. It is Not Possible.

See the link below for a very tame explanation. The reality is far worse.

youtu.be/86GrvQRThSk

Matthew 6:24

No man can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one, and love the other: or he will sustain the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

Luke 16:13

No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one and love the other: or he will hold to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

James 3:1

Be ye not many masters, my brethren, knowing that you receive the greater judgment.
 
MicheleLMD said:
Your name gives you away. FREE RADICAL???

The Church has made it very clear that Freemasonry is forbidden to Catholics. A person can NOT be a freemason AND a Catholic. It is Not Possible.

See the link below for a very tame explanation. The reality is far worse.

youtu.be/86GrvQRThSk

Matthew 6:24

No man can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one, and love the other: or he will sustain the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

Luke 16:13

No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one and love the other: or he will hold to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

James 3:1

Be ye not many masters, my brethren, knowing that you receive the greater judgment.
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I never said it was possible for a Catholic to be a Freemason, in fact I said the opposite. I merely pointed out that just because Freemasonry conflicts with Catholic dogma and doctrine doesn’t make them evil or Satanists. The Freemasons do an enormous amount of good for society, especially children.
 
TEPO said:
…yeah -that was from post # 82. :rolleyes:

(If you’re not sure about something, just say you don’t know or don’t respond… But don’t lie.)
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You’re the one lying and defaming a group that you obviously don’t know anything about except unfounded accusations, rumors, and conspiracy theories.
 
freeRadical said:
You prove it.
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I’LL PROVE IT!!!

vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_18840420_humanum-genus_en.html

If you claim to be a Catholic, you sin gravely by defending this institution which has been and always will be CONDEMNED By Tthe Church.

You will stand before God one day. How will you explain to Him that you defended an enemy Freemasonry, against His Church. You know better than LEO XIII and the other Popes?

An abortionist who makes a million dollars killing babies may donate 100,000 dollars to Children’s Hospital. Does that make him good?

The harm the Freemasons & Shriners do to souls, The many who will be lost because of their false doctrines and oaths is just as evil as the abortionist. Look at yourself. You are placing yourself in peril to defend evil. Many are seduced by lies. They put on a pretty & nobel facade otherwise people would not be willing to risk their very souls to defend the lie.

I think you are either a freemason pretending to be Catholic or in some serious need of confession and sound instruction on the true faith. Satan plants his tares among the wheat.

I might suggest you listen to Vericast.net. Tim & Wilson will set you straight.
 
MicheleLMD said:
I’LL PROVE IT!!!

vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_18840420_humanum-genus_en.html

If you claim to be a Catholic, you sin gravely by defending this institution which has been and always will be CONDEMNED By Tthe Church.

You will stand before God one day. How will you explain to Him that you defended an enemy Freemasonry, against His Church. You know better than LEO XIII and the other Popes?

An abortionist who makes a million dollars killing babies may donate 100,000 dollars to Children’s Hospital. Does that make him good?

The harm the Freemasons & Shriners do to souls, The many who will be lost because of their false doctrines and oaths is just as evil as the abortionist. Look at yourself. You are placing yourself in peril to defend evil. Many are seduced by lies. They put on a pretty & nobel facade otherwise people would not be willing to risk their very souls to defend the lie.

I think you are either a freemason pretending to be Catholic or in some serious need of confession and sound instruction on the true faith. Satan plants his tares among the wheat.

I might suggest you listen to Vericast.net. Tim & Wilson will set you straight.
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You need to calm down. You don’t know anything about me. You’re comparing Freemasons to abortionists? lol, okay.
 
freeRadical said:
You’re the one lying and defaming a group that you obviously don’t know anything about except unfounded accusations, rumors, and conspiracy theories.
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You must be a freemason… There’s no other reason why you would go to these lengths to defend the evil cult of freemasonry.

…you should talk to your priest.
 
TEPO said:
You must be a freemason… There’s no other reason why you would go to these lengths to defend the evil cult of freemasonry.

…you should talk to your priest.
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I am not a Freemason, you don’t know anything about me. Just like you don’t know anything about Freemasonry.

Maybe you need to talk to your priest.
 
Free Radical can we know more about you? You seem like a well educated individual, young, and one who likes to push the envelope. Did you grow up Catholic? Are you a "cafeteria Catholic?
 
freeRadical said:
I never said it was possible for a Catholic to be a Freemason, in fact I said the opposite. I merely pointed out that just because Freemasonry conflicts with Catholic dogma and doctrine doesn’t make them evil or Satanists. The Freemasons do an enormous amount of good for society, especially children.
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Do you understand why the Church exists? To bring the truth. To save souls for God. The Freemasons are satan’s attempt to seduce people away from God and Truth. They require their members to believe in a god. Not THE GOD. Any god. Pagan religions are all embraced. Do you see how this is breaking the first commandment? Thou shall NOT have ANY other gods before ME !!! How hard is that to understand? They make their members swear secret oaths and it is so EVIL that Pope Leo XIII had to address it himself! He made it forbidden to Catholics! Keep this in mind. There is a heaven and there is a hell. God & satan are both fighting over souls. This is a great spiritual battle and we are right in the middle of it. We need to choose our side. I choose God. If you love your friends, you will pray that they see the light before they are lost eternally to darkness. Yes, it is that serious. Those nice people are being deceived. Few go to hell deliberately. Most just didn’t know any better, they were never taught or were taught a false doctrine. But we all make a choice and when we die we must reap what we sowed. Please go to confession. Please do this. I feel you are just misled. I have grown children and I know how easily this society can deceive us.

God bless you
 
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