Are you saved?

[RonWI]

Ignatius:

Bottom line: We are saved by Gods Grace alone, through Faith, working in Love.

Yours in Christ.

That may be your bottom line, but the Joint Declaration is clear:

1. Sinners are justified by faith – not faith AND works – in the saving action of God in Christ.
2. By the action of the Holy Spirit in baptism, they are granted the gift of salvation – ARE granted salvation.
3. That whatever in the justified precedes or follows the free gift of faith is neither the basis of justification nor merits it. Good works follows faith, but they do NOT merit justification.
4. Believers should not look to themselves but look solely to Christ and trust only him. In trust in God’s promise they are assured of their salvation, but are never secure looking at themselves – look solely to Christ, NOT Christ and works; salvation is assured!

If you have issues with the foregoing, then you have issues with “what we confess together”. Yes, there is more to each tradition’s doctrine. But it is not in contradition to what was said in the Joint Declaration.

 

[Ignatius]

RonWI:

Ignatius:

I will also remind you of James 2:24 "See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. "

You see then that does scripure does not

say that we are saved by faith alone, but, on the contrary says that we are not saved by faith alone. This is scriputre and is, therefore the word of GOD.

Bottom line: We are saved by Gods Grace alone, through Faith, working in Love.

That may be your bottom line, but the Joint Declaration is clear:

If you have issues with the foregoing, then you have issues with “what we confess together”. Yes, there is more to each tradition’s doctrine. But it is not in contradition to what was said in the Joint Declaration.

So, what are you saying, you don’t believe James 2:24 “See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.”?

 

[RonWI]

Ignatius:

So, what are you saying, you don’t believe James 2:24 “See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.”?

What I am saying is that the Joint Declaration is clear.

1. That whatever in the justified precedes or follows the free gift of faith is neither the basis of justification nor merits it. Good works follows faith, but they do NOT merit justification.
2. Believers should not look to themselves but look solely to Christ and trust only him. In trust in God’s promise they are assured of their salvation, but are never secure looking at themselves – look solely to Christ, NOT Christ and works; salvation is assured!

Ignatius, do you see a conflict between the James passage and the language of the Joint Declaration? I do not believe the signers of the declaration did. I do not. Do you?

 

[sonseeker]

jacobaer:

And I do find comfort in our Lord Jesus Christ AND in the rites he has established, celebrated in the Church he has established. Are you saying that the two are mutually exclusive? It’s either rites or Christ? If so, then you would be locking out Anglican Christians and Lutheran Christians and Methodist Christians, all of whom celebrate rites.

Christ established, as ordinances, baptism and communion, neither of which can save you.

As far as our previous discussion, all you have done is make the assertion that, the death of the son in the parable of the prodigal, is spiritual death that is caused by mortal sin, thereby proving OSAS to be false. You have yet to prove that the death of the son is spiritual. All you have done is speculate that it could be, might be, maybe.

Jacobaer:

Please do not be offended but I think our discussion, at least on this thread and this topic, is over. Maybe we can talk again on another thread and a different topic.

No offense taken Gene

Bill

 

[reen12]

Dear Jacobaer,

“Are you trusting in Christ or in doctrines about Christ?”
quote,Jacobaer

I couldn’t have said it better. I’ve been trying to
articulate the same thought, but you’ve said it
so well, that now I don’t have to.
Thanks,
reen12

 

[Christian4life]

I’m probably not saved but oh well. That is up to God. I’ll just keep on doing my best till he decides that.

 

[Ignatius]

RonWI:

Ignatius:

*So, what are you saying, you don’t believe James *

2:24 “See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.”?

What I am saying is that the Joint Declaration is clear.

I believe that James 2:24 is quite clear: “See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.”

If the joint declaration disagrees with Scripture, I would have to side with Scripture. How about you?

 

[Willdecided]

The last time I was asked this question was last year, when the local fair was in town. I was walking through one of the buildings with all of the exhibits and there was one booth there that was being run by some sort of baptist group.

The man tried handing me a pamphlet and when I refused, he asked me if I had been saved. Since I not like people pushing other religions on me, I told him that I am a member of Christ’s church, the church that Jesus Christ himself started, the Catholic Church.

Boy, did this guy give me an angry look. When he started ranting and raving, I told him that I probably had a better chance getting into heaven then he did because I was not a part of a church that changes Christs teachings so I can live an easier life.

I can’t wait until the Fair comes around again this year.
I might have to stop by again and have a little chat with this person.

God Bless