Stephen168
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When you believe the strong are free to do whatever they want, it is tyranny to the weak.
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That’s silly!
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Its immediately contradictory.
A woman is bodily free, but not.
But hey, whatever makes life the only rational choice, right? Even if nonsensical
A woman is bodily free, but not.
But hey, whatever makes life the only rational choice, right? Even if nonsensical
Stephen168
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But that is Hume’s ethic. There is no rational limit to his ‘freedom,’ so he is free to murder, rob, or enslave.
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Then make an argument against it. If people are free to do whatever they want, then why not take away certain “freedoms.”
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This is your default without arbitrary additions so there is an equilibrium.
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You’ll know tyranny when you see it! And it is the absence of freedom, in my estimation!
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Tryanny is also an excercise of freedom, so freedom in of itself doesn’t mean anything.
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We were born slaves!
Stephen168
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No, you haven’t. You only ask others to define limits. When I did. You ignore it.
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That’s ridicule not a refutation. So as of now you haven’t proven anything.We were born slaves!
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You made an argument and I rejected an underlying premise.
Happens all the time. Don’t take it so hard.
Happens all the time. Don’t take it so hard.
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? Tyranny is tyranny… it’s cruel, heartless, suppression, evil. Freedom is lifting, honorable, hope! How can you use the words together in the same sentence?
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Stephen168
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Three times I asked Hume to prove his assertions. He ignored them.
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This is out of the box thinking for debate purposes only.
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Stephen168
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Being free to kill you is tyranny. If you claim to be that free, it is tyranny.
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Abortion isn’t freedom…which is the original topic, I think. Abortion is murder. Murder is tyranny!
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Liberty is the default state and we only constrain with good reason.
The first is the default, no proof needed and the second is how collectives create their rules.
“Ok, we all agree to stop at stop signs and we agree to not murder each other. Anyone breaking the rules will be punished”.
What is there to prove? That collectives like government are necessary?
The first is the default, no proof needed and the second is how collectives create their rules.
“Ok, we all agree to stop at stop signs and we agree to not murder each other. Anyone breaking the rules will be punished”.
What is there to prove? That collectives like government are necessary?
Stephen168
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Now you are coming around to see Hume’s ethic.
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Then killing the fetus constrains its liberty and the mother cannot have an abortion.
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