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CHRISTINE77
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It is worse than insanity. It is pure evil.
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STT
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Look my friend, either you do it which means that you surpass your potential considering all factors including believing in God, or you don’t.
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STT
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Have you ever sinned?
There is still no guarantee ending this life will end our troubles… nor that there is no life after death:
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tonyrey
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o_mlly
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How dare you tell the children not to play in the road, wash their hands, not run with scissors, etc.
Because we love them.
Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life’s longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.
On Children
Kahlil Gibran
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Lea101
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I apologize for not reading all the posts, so what I say might be already said.
If you support voluntary euthanasia, do you support suicide?
Maybe someone is in a situation that they cannot escape from/will never escape from. Maybe a really huge debt, mentally traumatized etc.
Would you support their decision if they tell you that they want to die?
Usually the people that support euthanasia are usually liberals who are oh so politically correct in anything, they are also the ones who are soooo focused on helping mentally ill people and talking people out of suicide and cutting etc…they will never support suicide.
Voluntary euthanasia is a fancy term for suicide to me. Just my 2 cents.
If you support voluntary euthanasia, do you support suicide?
Maybe someone is in a situation that they cannot escape from/will never escape from. Maybe a really huge debt, mentally traumatized etc.
Would you support their decision if they tell you that they want to die?
Usually the people that support euthanasia are usually liberals who are oh so politically correct in anything, they are also the ones who are soooo focused on helping mentally ill people and talking people out of suicide and cutting etc…they will never support suicide.
Voluntary euthanasia is a fancy term for suicide to me. Just my 2 cents.
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CHRISTINE77
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Yes you are right and it is obvious that the only ones in this thread that are supporting euthanasia are the atheists.
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spiderweb
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What we are talking about is arguments about legalized voluntary euthanasia. You are sovereign if you commit suicide. No one can stop that. But should it be legal to assist in that?
You have the sovereignty to make your own decisions. From a secular legal standpoint, you have the right to do harmful things to yourself, but you do not have the right to do those things when they potentially harm others. You are perfectly free to get drunk, but you are not free to drink and drive. You have the right drive a car, but you do not have the right to drive 50 mph in a school zone. In at least some places emotional abuse is a criminal act because it harms others. What is the harm done by voluntary euthanasia to loved ones?
When my 16 yo cousin committed suicide, it caused a lot of harm within the family for years that caused chasms that have not been healed for almost 30 years. When my 16 yo nephew died from kidney failure, it was painful, but it was also a beautiful thing that brought the family closer.
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Vera_Ljuba
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Of course.
Sure. Or maybe they have a frivolous reason, which sounds totally “crazy” for the outsiders. It is their life, their body, and I would not dare to assume that I know what is better for them.
Oh, and I am as politically INcorrect as they come. And therefore I respect other people’s decisions. If someone wishes to extend their own suffering and wishes to offer up that suffering to God, I would not stand in their way and force my opinion on him. That is called respect.
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Vera_Ljuba
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If I can achieve my goal, using my own devices, then everything is fine. But if I am unable to achieve my goals, then I ask for help. What is wrong with it? If the person who is being asked is willing to help, that is no one else’s business (provided that no outsider is being harmed in the process). If he declines to help, that is his prerogative.
Certainly. But these are all measurable, objective “potential” harms.
It is a subjective, “emotional” harm and they have to deal with it. My first and foremost duty and obligation is to myself. The alleged quote from Cain still stands: “I am not my brother’s keeper”.
Keep in mind that we cannot know what is in another adult’s best interest. Respect their decisions, if you demand that other people should respect yours.
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edwest2
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So the whole world of human beings consists of autonomous units? There is no such thing as collective individualism. I would call this kind of respect indifference.
There are people everyday who are telling other people what is good for them, like doctors, police officers and parents, but that “every man is an island” attitude is an old one. It doesn’t work. “Hey. I’m going to buy a gun and blow my brains out.” Sure. Whatever.
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STT
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Suicide also is a sin. You just need to be pressed more to reach to the point of your breakdown and performs sin/suicide.
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edwest2
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From radiovaticana.va
“In this connection, the Catechism states, “Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide” (CCC #2282). This qualification does not make suicide a right action in any circumstance; however, it does make us realize that the person may not be totally culpable for the action because of various circumstances or personal conditions.”
I’ve been there.
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“In this connection, the Catechism states, “Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide” (CCC #2282). This qualification does not make suicide a right action in any circumstance; however, it does make us realize that the person may not be totally culpable for the action because of various circumstances or personal conditions.”
I’ve been there.
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Vera_Ljuba
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I am talking about sane adults, who are lucid and can present their preferences.
I have no idea what that means.
You are free to call it whatever you want.
If someone asks for advice or help, then it is just fine to help them. But I was talking about those people, who interfere with other people’s life, unasked and unbidden, just because they think they know what is “good for you”. I asked a few times already, and received no answer: “What would your reaction to be, if someone would forcefully take over you body, and prevent you from having autonomy over your life?” I am talking about some “nanny-state”, or “do-gooders”. Would you welcome them?
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edwest2
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The State isn’t God. No one chooses to be born and no one who is in their right mind should get to choose when they die. Especially for no particular reason.
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