They still are in schisim. Catholics are still not allowed to recieve communion in any Eastren Orthdox church, nor do they let their members recieve communion in a Catholic church. Just because of some meetings between the Pope and various Patriarchs does not mean that the Orthodox churches are no longer in schism.
There is something else that seems to distinguish “traditionalists” from “liberals/modernists.” Liberals/modernists seem far less apt to make patently false statements. Not debatible statements, but false statements whose answers can simply be looked-up in Church documents.
Here we go again. It’s certainly OK from a Catholic Church standpoint to receive Holy Communion in an Orthodox Church. However as Catholics, we are required (by the Catholic Church) to follow THEIR rules and THEY say Catholics cannot receive. They ARE INDEED allowed to receive in the Catholic Church, but again, they are encouraged to follow the directions of their Church and their Church says they cannot receive in the Catholic Church.
Dumspiro: I think the OP was overly frustrated with a general atmosphere on a lot of the threads that seems to posit the opinion that some “rad trads” (as opposed to orthodox, yet traditional Catholics such as yourself) have of themselves compared to the orthodox, yet Mass of Paul VI Catholic such as me. It would be a mistake to conclude, as I beleive Fix so ably posted, that all NO Catholics were heterodox liberals on the part of traditional Catholics, and it would be equally egregious for a NO Catholic to think that all traditionalists were rabid schismatics. I confess, myself, that I get fed up with hearing about how “all evil” the post Vatican Church is. I realize, however, that this is not a view promoted by orthodox traditional Catholics.
Did it make you feel better when you judged me? DId it make you feel better when you patted yourself on the back? Pride is a killer…
This is totally false, Orthodox may recieve communion in a Catholic Church but they are instructed to follow the teachings of thier Churches on this matter. I have actually witinessed an Orthodox priest recieveing communion at a Byzantine Catholic Pascha Liturgy.
Nota Bene said:
The fact you lack any understanding of what schism is makes it difficult to debate with you. The Eastren Orthdox are in schism with the Catholic church. From the fact that they ""baptise" even Catholics who "convert" to their church, the fact they do not accept any councils after the first 7 councils, the fact they in no way recognise the Pope authority certainly shows they are indeed in schism.
The fact the Catholic church recognises they have valid sacraments(this is also the case with the schismatic Polish National Catholic Church) does not mean they are not in schism.
The Eastren Orthdox that I know of, the Greek and American Orthdox churches(OCA), do not allow their members to recieve communion at a Catholic chhurch.
And here is the direct linkActually it seems you not only lack understanding of schism but you seem to ignore what the Church Teaches on this matter.
Something you must understand, the Orthodox while in communion with one another are not like the Catholic Church and its communion.
I do not mean to be rude, but I do not think you get what I am trying to say. While the Eastren orthodox have the core beliefs and the sacraments, they are still in schism, the Eastren orthdox themselves say they are not in communion with the Catholic church. Now do you say that those not in communion with the Catholic church are not in schism?
There are still MAJOR differences between the Catholic faith and Orthodox chuches as I have allready mentioned.
So, you do not claim, as some in the SSPX do, that the current Latin rite of Mass in invalid? That is very refreshing.
It is easy, I say they are not in schism becuase the Catholic Church says that one can not be born into schism.
The biggest Orthdox church in the world, the Russian Orthdox church has less than stellar relations with the Vatican, Alexi II, Patriarch of Russia, has not allowed Pope John Paul II to come to Russia. The Greek Orthdox church in the US certainly does not allow Catholics to recieve communion at their parishes either.
While I too would hesitate to use the word hate, I think you are right. I can only speak for myself when I say I notice more prosylizing from SSPX people than those others you mentioned. Also, notice that most Protestants show more respect toward our Holy Father (and his bishops and priests) than some of the SSPX posters.
Does the church say the Eastren churches are in communion with Rome? You are either in communion with Rome or you are not. I can accept that the SSPX is not in communion with Rome, has in irregualr status at best if one does a canon law workout that confuses the issue, and are most likely in schism, but again, that places them in the same league as the Eastren churches.
You still have yet to address paragraph 818 of the Catechism.
Yes I have read it many times, it says that in certain circumstances those who are Eastren Orthdox, Oriental Orthdox and members of the Polish National Catholic church(old Catholic) can recieve communion in accord with their churches teachings.