Art inspired by the Novus Ordo

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twiztedseraph said:
I dunno all this modern art can be quite post-modernistic/relativist. Its got this whole “it is whatever you want it to be” feel. Maybe some of this art is the cause of (or perhaps fruit of) the widespread dissent?
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You may indeed have a point.

However abstract art has been around a lot longer than Vatican 2.
 
LilyM said:
You may indeed have a point.

However abstract art has been around a lot longer than Vatican 2.
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I don’t think Vatican II had anything to do with it.🙂 It was more of well intentioned (or lets at least hope they were) people thinking they could update the Church. 😦 Now I’m not against all new art in Churches (there is after all a certain amount of individual taste involved and personally I’d like to go medieval), but when you can’t even tell what you’re looking at you know you’ve gone too far.
 
anamchara said:
I must be getting too sleepy because I didn’t even notice any slinging. Apparently, anam, is wearing her blinders tonight.

I’d love to see a thread on Art history in the church actually. I know an Art history major that is a member on here, I’d love to hear her take on things.
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Ah, well …yes, I did delete it for being sarcastic which is not something I ought to have posted, but LilyM responded before that. But you could go backwards from post 35 and you’ll see what I meant. I’m not questioning the posts that debated this quite controversial topic civily.
 
LilyM said:
Which I can’t say for half the rococo churches I saw in Europe (complete with masses of tacky gilded cherubs and so overdone and overornate as to make me physically ill)
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Haha… 🙂

I love Rococo Churches.

I’d take Rococo any time - which is solidly Catholic - than banal, protestant like stadiums/halls.

But then again, thats just my [subjective] opinion.
 
Ah yes, Ctos, the infamous TIA website spewing their seductive propaganda on unsuspecting minds! The picture was supposedly taken in Germany, and unless one has a translator, it is impossible to determine what the picture is supposed to represent.

My question is, why are you so enthralled by it as to repeat the photo here?

Philippians 4:8 “Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.” And post these things at CAF.
 
Joysong…after reading several of your post…I have determined that either you are the smartest person in the world…or possibly you have just convinced yourself that you are. I can’t believe you would cite that quote from Philippians, and then have the nerve to believe these blatantly obscene excuses for art could be allowed in a Catholic Church…they certainly are not pure, lovely, or admirable…they are abominations…
Joysong said:
Ah yes, Ctos, the infamous TIA website spewing their seductive propaganda on unsuspecting minds! The picture was supposedly taken in Germany, and unless one has a translator, it is impossible to determine what the picture is supposed to represent.

My question is, why are you so enthralled by it as to repeat the photo here?

Philippians 4:8 “Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.” And post these things at CAF.
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Missa_Solemnis said:
Hmn…I find the NO an abomination as well.

A valid abomination.

Which is by far much worse than an invalid abomination.

Since an invalid heretical ceremony wouldnt disrespect Our Lord.

But a valid one is a different story…

Anyway if youd like to respond thatd be okay…but I sense we might hijack the thread.
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from the Webster dictionary online:

Entry Word: abomination
Function: noun
Text: something or someone that is hated <although once common, torture is now an abomination to the civilized peoples of the earth>

Is that correct that you hate the NO Mass?
Is that correct that you hate the valid participation in the Sacrifice of Christ?
 
Hello Dumspero,
I can’t believe you would cite that quote from Philippians, and then have the nerve to believe these blatantly obscene excuses for art could be allowed in a Catholic Church…they certainly are not pure, lovely, or admirable…they are abominations…
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Absolutely without a doubt, it is an abomination deliberately chosen to depict the Novus Ordo in a horrendous light! My point exactly, if you carefully go back and read the end of my words, “And post these things at CAF.” (as opposed to bringing that appalling image here for everyone to fix their eyes on! — post things in accord with Phil. 4:8)

Maybe you missed this to the OP?
“My question is, why are you so enthralled by it as to repeat the photo here?”

And I was amused by your excuse for barbing a slur to me, as though once again I have done something terribly offensive. But then, I realize that is the mission of the refugees. 😛
 
I sense dark clouds coming over…

Given that the above debates continue in increasing intensity, this thread WILL be short-lived…
 
Check out some of the artwork from our rather traditional parish, and note that the Novus Ordo is the only Mass celebrated there. Such artwork is not inspired by, or in spite of, our celebration of the Novus Ordo, but rather, out of the faithfulness of our pastor and his flock. That makes any discussion about which rite inspires ‘better’ artwork rather silly.

http://www.saintcyrils.org/Tabernacle-oval.jpg
http://www.saintcyrils.org/Adoremus1.jpg
http://www.saintcyrils.org/BlessedMother.jpg
 
dumspirospero said:
Joysong…after reading several of your post…I have determined that either you are the smartest person in the world…or possibly you have just convinced yourself that you are. I can’t believe you would cite that quote from Philippians, and then have the nerve to believe these blatantly obscene excuses for art could be allowed in a Catholic Church…they certainly are not pure, lovely, or admirable…they are abominations…
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Of course, you’re right… these examples are rather strange. But why does it necessarily follow that they are the result of adherence to the Novus Ordo Mass? I can find any number of beautiful, traditionally-adorned Novus Ordo parishes, right here in my own archdiocese.
 
Why don’t you get your facts straight…I am an evacuee…not a refugee…a refugee is someone who is seeking asylum, becaue they are FORCED from their home due to religious and, or political reasons…I have never been banned or forced to leave…so I am an evacuee…which is a person who goes willingly…I like hanging out with them, because they are truly devout Catholics, who have a very deep intellect and very strong formation and catechesis…unlike some people I have run into here, who obviously read the version of the Catechism you get when you buy a box of Captain Crunch. My Baptist mother is more Catholic than a lot of posers on this forum…which is truly sad.
Joysong said:
I realize that is the mission of the refugees. 😛
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I’m hearing you djrakowski,

If you look at the thread title and the shock value of the photo, it is quickly apparent what the OP intended.

Your photos are awesome, inspiring, productive of devotion and uplifting. May we see more of this!
 
Any beautiful pictures posted of very ornate and traditional Churces are just indicative of the fact that they haven’t been bushwhacked yet by the modernists…which they do for the sake of ecumenism…at least that is the excuse they give…
Joysong said:
I’m hearing you djrakowski,

If you look at the thread title and the shock value of the photo, it is quickly apparent what the OP intended.

Your photos are awesome, inspiring, productive of devotion and uplifting. May we see more of this!
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Joysong said:
I’m hearing you djrakowski,

If you look at the thread title and the shock value of the photo, it is quickly apparent what the OP intended.

Your photos are awesome, inspiring, productive of devotion and uplifting. May we see more of this!
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Absolutely!

Here’s an awe-inspiring photo of my dear pastor celebrating the Eucharist at Christmas midnight Mass. I was priveleged to take part in a men’s choir that chanted the ordinaries of Missa de Angelis at this celebration:

http://www.saintcyrils.org/images/photo7/frben1.jpg

You can almost feel the awe and reverence he feels toward the Eucharist in this photo, which is why it has become one of my very favorites.

Here’s a nice shot of the altar and manger scene, which also gives a broader view of the sanctuary. You can see the bottom half of St. Joseph to the right, as well as the ambo. I’m not sure why the baby Jesus is lying on the step, though 😉

saintcyrils.org/photographs/dan/2/IMG_0401.JPG

And this is how people receive the Eucharist at our parish - kneeling, on the tongue.

saintcyrils.org/photographs/dan/2/IMG_0464.JPG

So, despite what the naysayers and professional negativists would like you to believe, there is beauty, reverence, awe and yes, even traditionalism, to be found at a Novus Ordo parish.
 
djrakowski said:
Check out some of the artwork from our rather traditional parish, and note that the Novus Ordo is the only Mass celebrated there. Such artwork is not inspired by, or in spite of, our celebration of the Novus Ordo, but rather, out of the faithfulness of our pastor and his flock. That makes any discussion about which rite inspires ‘better’ artwork rather silly.
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Quite true. I know many brought ‘innovative’ changes to the Church under the name of VII but to say that one rite inspires better artwork is silly. Not all NO Parishes have windows that look they were created by Picasso, Altars more bare than a new house or have Baptismal Fonts the size of swimming pools.
 
dumspirospero said:
Any beautiful pictures posted of very ornate and traditional Churces are just indicative of the fact that they haven’t been bushwhacked yet by the modernists…which they do for the sake of ecumenism…at least that is the excuse they give…
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Wrong. These beautiful photos of my parish are indicative of the faith of the people who worship there, and the faithfulness with which the faith is being handed on by our dedicated priests. There’s no risk of being ‘bushwhacked’ by ‘modernists’ at this parish, because the faith is firmly planted in our heads every second we’re there, and every second our children are in their religious education classes. We build a firm foundation, and there’s no ‘modernist’ who’s going to be able to shake it.

By the way, I find it curious that the word ‘modernism’ is thrown about so casually in the traditional Catholicism subforum
 
parvenu74 said:
My favorite:

http://www.archdiocese.la/images/top-mary.jpg

But I’m still at a loss to explain why Cardinal Mahoney chose to put a statue David Bowie at the main(?) entrance to his cathedral. By the way, do they call it the “Taj Mahoney” outside of LA, or is that just a SoCal thing?
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Is that the infamous Our Lady of the Angels Cathedral (known to some as the Our Lady of the ANGLES Cathedral)?

Who is depicted in that Statue? Our Lady? The Angel Gabriel?
 
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