Article: Marijuana: Legal Doesn't Mean Right

[Rosebud77]

No kidding!!! I do not use pot!!!

??? You said you did?

 

[zamyrabyrd]

Agree totally. ALways though there are those who just will not believe fire burns unless they get burned and they are then scarred for life.
Abortion is different in that for the baby the consequences are terminal . Just seen the headline of news item here in Ireland from women on the way to the UK to get abortions.

My comment on abortion was well considered. The consequences on mothers and fathers who permit it are devastating, no matter how the media would like to whitewash it.

 

[Rosebud77]

My comment on abortion was well considered. The consequences on mothers and fathers who permit it are devastating, no matter how the media would like to whitewash it.

Yep. I know someone who had a total breakdown after an abortion. Attempted suicide.

People forget that when you are pregnant your whole body and mind are pregnant. Never seen any stats on depression etc after abortion.

Oh my friend rallied; trained as a counsellor and is helping others avoid what she did.

( If I skate round the subject is nny sheer horror and revulsion,

 

[zamyrabyrd]

Yep. I know someone who had a total breakdown after an abortion. Attempted suicide.
People forget that when you are pregnant your whole body and mind are pregnant. Never seen any stats on depression etc after abortion.
Oh my friend rallied; trained as a counsellor and is helping others avoid what she did.
(If I skate round the subject is nny sheer horror and revulsion,

I’d rather skate around it as well. At one time this subject as well as others of a sexual nature were not topics for polite conversation. Western society is in a state of complete denial about it. However, if one premise is accepted like “my body” or the dogma of “me-ism”, then the others follow suit.

I suppose if people can get inured to the carnage of war, then this shouldn’t be too hard to accept, as civilian terrorist casualties have become the norm. What is being blocked out however is the personal damage abortion inflicts. I am relieved at least that did not happen to me. Given everything else I had been through up to and including early adulthood, it would have literally destroyed me.

 

[gracepoole]

I will tell you what I observed over a couple decades about pot. It deadens inhibitions. A group of weed takers came to my house many years ago

Weed takers? Seriously?

and brought with them an infant who should have been in diapers. Instead, he was allowed to do his business anywhere as he did in their own place of residence and probably any place they took him.

It’s probably unwise to generalize from observations related to a handful of folks.

Related to that is denial that this substance cannot be harmful (since it feels good). Such an attitude does lead to other more potent drugs.

The “gateway” myth is popular because people can’t tell the difference between correlation and causation.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

Weed takers? Seriously?
It’s probably unwise to generalize from observations related to a handful of folks.
The “gateway” myth is popular because people can’t tell the difference between correlation and causation.

Going backwards, the “gateway” is not a myth. If one substance is deemed OK, then why not try a more potent variety? Makes a lot of sense.
Not just a handful of folks, my own observation have been bolstered and corroborated by others, including studies done about marijuana.
If there are any "myths’, they have to do with its being harmless, which it isn’t.

 

[Rosebud77]

Going backwards, the “gateway” is not a myth. If one substance is deemed OK, then why not try a more potent variety? Makes a lot of sense.
Not just a handful of folks, my own observation have been bolstered and corroborated by others, including studies done about marijuana.
If there are any "myths’, they have to do with its being harmless, which it isn’t.

Thank you. ALL substances we ingest have side effects. ALL have potential for harm and more than any others, this applies to those that alter mood or perception. Because that is what they are meant to do and that alone affects us deeply and dangerously

 

[Rosebud77]

Weed takers? Seriously?

**It’s probably unwise to generalize from observations related to a handful of folks.
**

The “gateway” myth is popular because people can’t tell the difference between correlation and causation.

Actually the opposite is true.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

Thank you. ALL substances we ingest have side effects. ALL have potential for harm and more than any others, this applies to those that alter mood or perception. Because that is what they are meant to do and that alone affects us deeply and dangerously

Sometimes I think I’m only preaching to the choir because either you get it or you don’t. However, there is the hope in reaching someone on the edge who is not sure and questioning like I was at one time…

 

[Lion_IRC]

Weed takers? Seriously?

What do you mean?
You don’t think zamyrabyrd was being serious?
I don’t think she would be flippant or insincere.

…It’s probably unwise to generalize from observations related to a handful of folks.

I think you can generalize about THAT particular handful of folks.
As long as you are being truthful - which I’m sure our fellow posters are - there’s nothing wrong AFAICT with making observations. There was no judgement, just saying what was observed.

…The “gateway” myth is popular because people can’t tell the difference between correlation and causation.

I think you might be mistaken here gracepoole.
“Gateway” doesn’t imply causation OR correlation.
An invitation to a party doent CAUSE someone to attend the party. And the correlation is irrelevant and trivial because obviously there is a ‘correlation’ between people who attend parties and the names of those on the list of invitees.

The term ‘gateway drug’ is well understood among professionals dealing with this issue. We wouldn’t accuse them of being unable to tell what is causation/correlation.

 

[Rosebud77]

Sometimes I think I’m only preaching to the choir because either you get it or you don’t. However, there is the hope in reaching someone on the edge who is not sure and questioning like I was at one time…

Been there and thankfully not done that, With high pain levels sometimes it gets tempting when someone suggests trying marihuana… I was once given morphine fr severe post op pain in hospital and it was sheer magic… But not to spend days like that thank you!

 

[Robert_Sock]

Plain water? Please explain!

There is no way of telling who will become addicted, Robert, It is not worth the risk, really it is not. I am careful with codeine and well aware I may be using too much at times and that I m vulnerable as I was wrongly and carelessly prescribed quantitites of benzoz for many years. I got off them slowly and very painfully. Addiction can happen fast and especially if you are using as a calming effect when things are hard.

Legalising would be giving permisssion to experiment, with a toxic and unnecessary substance,. BAD.

I never overindulged with water myself, but I have been told that a person can die from drinking too much water. It’s probably very, very rare, but I believe it can happen.

The million dollar question is how many people would overindulge with pot if it became legal. Just as there are many responsible people who drink alcohol, so too I expect that there would be many responsible marijuana users. When I used pot, I never intentionally overindulged but used just enough to get mellowed out, like drinking just a glass or two of wine to unwind.

 

[Rosebud77]

I never overindulged with water myself, but I have been told that a person can die from drinking too much water. It’s probably very, very rare, but I believe it can happen.

The million dollar question is how many people would overindulge with pot if it became legal. Just as there are many responsible people who drink alcohol, so too I expect that there would be many responsible marijuana users. When I used pot, I never intentionally overindulged but used just enough to get mellowed out, like drinking just a glass or two of wine to unwind.

Not everyone has strength of mind or control Robert. And I would not even use alcohol as you do. All these things are addictive which means they have less effect in the same quantities as usage continues. So in crisis? These things are far from necessary either…oh and your water analogy is rather weak as an example…

 

[zamyrabyrd]

I give up!

 

[Rosebud77]

I give up!

??? Hope not me who caused that!

 

[gracepoole]

What do you mean?
You don’t think zamyrabyrd was being serious?
I don’t think she would be flippant or insincere.

I asked because idiomatically, the phrase “weed takers” is nonsensical. People who have used marijuana or have been around anyone who’s used it wouldn’t use this phrase. People don’t “take weed.” Forgive me but it’s a dead giveaway that someone is wholly unfamiliar with the people about whom they’re speaking.

you can generalize about THAT particular handful of folks.
As long as you are being truthful - which I’m sure our fellow posters are - there’s nothing wrong AFAICT with making observations. There was no judgement, just saying what was observed.

Generalizing from one example always results in poor reasoning. Otherwise we’re relying on anecdotes to make claims.

I think you might be mistaken here gracepoole.
“Gateway” doesn’t imply causation OR correlation.
An invitation to a party doent CAUSE someone to attend the party. And the correlation is irrelevant and trivial because obviously there is a ‘correlation’ between people who attend parties and the names of those on the list of invitees.

The term ‘gateway drug’ is well understood among professionals dealing with this issue. We wouldn’t accuse them of being unable to tell what is causation/correlation.

The myth of marijuana being a gateway drug centers on the fact that many hardcore drug users have also used marijuana. There is correlation between the two, then, but causation has never been proven. It’s never been established (beyond assumption) that using marijuana leads to the use of harder drugs.

 

[Rosebud77]

I asked because idiomatically, the phrase “weed takers” is nonsensical. People who have used marijuana or have been around anyone who’s used it wouldn’t use this phrase. People don’t “take weed.” Forgive me but it’s a dead giveaway that someone is wholly unfamiliar with the people about whom they’re speaking.

Generalizing from one example always results in poor reasoning. Otherwise we’re relying on anecdotes to make claims.

The myth of marijuana being a gateway drug centers on the fact that many hardcore drug users have also used marijuana. There is correlation between the two, then, but causation has never been proven. It’s never been established (beyond assumption) that using marijuana leads to the use of harder drugs.

“methinks the lady doth protest too much” and unconvincingly.

 

[gracepoole]

“methinks the lady doth protest too much” and unconvincingly.

Ah. Well, saying that must make it true.

 

[mikekle]

. I was once given morphine fr severe post op pain in hospital and it was sheer magic… But not to spend days like that thank you!

There is nothing wrong with using a drug if it works for you, too many people like to demonize opiate painkillers today, but if they improve someones quality of life, there is absolutely nothing wrong with using them everyday for the rest of your life.

‘Addiction’ is the key word here…its not always a bad thing, I take blood pressure pill every day and probably will the rest of my life, so you could say Im addicted to it, if I miss a day, I certainly do not like the way I feel as a result, painkillers are the same imo, people like them because they make them feel good, they take away pain, whats wrong with SAFELY using these or even being ‘addicted’ to them? Since when did taking a pill for this or that suddenly become wrong? LOL

In years past, it was popular for medical centers to dole out painkiller scripts for just about anything and everything and keep people on them for long periods, and then suddenly they come along and say that was wrong and they should not have done that, yada yada yada…well how do we know what they telling us now is right, they admitted they were wrong in the recent past, imo, that does not give them much credibility!

 

[Rosebud77]

There is nothing wrong with using a drug if it works for you, too many people like to demonize opiate painkillers today, but if they improve someones quality of life, there is absolutely nothing wrong with using them everyday for the rest of your life.

‘Addiction’ is the key word here…its not always a bad thing, I take blood pressure pill every day and probably will the rest of my life, so you could say Im addicted to it, if I miss a day, I certainly do not like the way I feel as a result, painkillers are the same imo, people like them because they make them feel good, they take away pain, whats wrong with SAFELY using these or even being ‘addicted’ to them? Since when did taking a pill for this or that suddenly become wrong? LOL

Oh I hear you… but here just now folk asking for OTC with codeine are seen as addicts. And I am wary of meds after my tranx dealings. And taking meds to feel good is not for me. Has to be a real phsyical need. eh raynauds that chews your feet all night!