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MSParrott
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That is heartbreaking. I pray for the repose of her soul. From what the article said, this happened last year. Tragic. :crying:
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kell0618
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Thank you for sharing this article. I heard the story a few days ago and it paints a vivid portrait of a situation the ‘pro-choicers’ prefer to gloss over. Babies are not ‘tissue’ and killing babies is not a choice; it is murder.
Peace
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vern_humphrey
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As I recall, it was only a few months ago the New Jersey Supreme Court dismissed a suit by a woman who claimed she was not given “informed consent” by an abortionist, and learned later that the baby she aborted was not just “a blob of tissue.”
Apparently, women are not entitled to be fully informed about abortion, and if they later have remorse – even to the point of being driven to suicide – that’s okay with the court.
Apparently, women are not entitled to be fully informed about abortion, and if they later have remorse – even to the point of being driven to suicide – that’s okay with the court.
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lizaanne
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Eternal rest grant unto her soul, O Lord, and may Your perpetual light shine upon her. May she and all the Faithfully departed, especially those who have no one to pray for them, through Your sweet mercy Jesus, rest in peace.
~Liza
~Liza
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deb1
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I didn’t understand this:
The coroner, Dr Emma Carlyon, ordered that the identities of the doctor who performed the abortion and her lead consultant be kept secret
Why would the doctor and her consultant(when did drs get consultants) be kept secret?
The coroner, Dr Emma Carlyon, ordered that the identities of the doctor who performed the abortion and her lead consultant be kept secret
Why would the doctor and her consultant(when did drs get consultants) be kept secret?
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hasikelee
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I remember that article…the lady found out later after she went to the hospital from abortion complications and the nurse said “baby.”As I recall, it was only a few months ago the New Jersey Supreme Court dismissed a suit by a woman who claimed she was not given “informed consent” by an abortionist, and learned later that the baby she aborted was not just “a blob of tissue.”
Apparently, women are not entitled to be fully informed about abortion, and if they later have remorse – even to the point of being driven to suicide – that’s okay with the court.
So, now doctors, by law, are not required to inform the woman that she is carrying a living human.
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DanteAlighieri
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May God have mercy on her.
Perhaps I’m playing fast and loose with my terminology, but part of me is inclined to think of her as a martyr because of this quote from the article:
Peace,
Dante
Perhaps I’m playing fast and loose with my terminology, but part of me is inclined to think of her as a martyr because of this quote from the article:
With God’s help, this message might take root.
Peace,
Dante
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seekerz
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Do you thing there are really women who honestly believe that “blob of tissue spin?” My personal opinion (which may be quite wrong) is that the verdict was well-deserved because even my grade-schooler could sketch a baby if asked to represent the contents of a pregnant woman’s belly. He wouldn’t need a nurse to tell him what’s in there and neither should she!
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davia
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Correct me if I’m wrong, maybe I am not reading it right, but are you saying that she deserved to commit suicide?
While this is a hot topic right now, I think this will soon fade from people’s memories as usual, and unfortunately she could have done so much good by sharing her story and volunteering to help women who are considereing abortion. Suicide is wrong as well, but her pain must have been too much to bear. I truly hope she finds God’s love and mercy on her soul.
While this is a hot topic right now, I think this will soon fade from people’s memories as usual, and unfortunately she could have done so much good by sharing her story and volunteering to help women who are considereing abortion. Suicide is wrong as well, but her pain must have been too much to bear. I truly hope she finds God’s love and mercy on her soul.
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seekerz
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I’m responding to the post (which I quoted) about a woman who sued claiming she didn’t know it was a baby until a nurse used the word after her abortion. The judge ruled dismissed the case, which to me was the correct decision.
No one ever ‘deserves’ suicide/homicide/abortion/euthanasia…but reading the last few posts again, I can see why you misunderstood mine.
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davia
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Thanks, I didn’t think you were talking about that, but I just wanted to ask so I could read it as it was intended. thanks!
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Elric
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My thoughts are with her family, friends and former boyfriend at the moment. Words cant really describe the sadness I feel for her pain and torment.
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mapleoak
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It is silly to think that there is any women who honestly does not know that it is a baby inside of her. But, sometimes it is a matter of being told what one wants to hear. The old saying if you tell yourself a lie enough times…
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Rita88
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I AM SO IN BETWEEN… which I know won’t please most people to hear!
I disagree strongly with abortion… I could never do it… but I think that we can never take away the right to a women’s choice, because it is then that we become a dictatorship…
People often forget that those who abort their children still suffer loss… there should be more counselling for women who are considering abortion, but it is on their conscience as to whether it was morally right to do it. I would just sincerely pray that they don’t, adoption is a far better option. But everything has it’s negatives.
I disagree strongly with abortion… I could never do it… but I think that we can never take away the right to a women’s choice, because it is then that we become a dictatorship…
People often forget that those who abort their children still suffer loss… there should be more counselling for women who are considering abortion, but it is on their conscience as to whether it was morally right to do it. I would just sincerely pray that they don’t, adoption is a far better option. But everything has it’s negatives.
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mapleoak
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A just government has an obligation to ensure that intrinsic human rights are not violated. This includes measures that prevent the government itself from violating these rights as well the enforcing measures which prevent its citizens from violating those intrinsic rights as well. One of those intrinsic rights is the the right to life. A woman does not have an intrinsic right allowing her to kill another human being, whether it be her neighbor, the school kid next door, or her unborn baby. Therefore, to protect the unborn is in no way an inclination toward dictatorship.
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Rita88
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Very good point… but then won’t we put more lives in danger with backstreet abortions if they were made illegal… thus all those who campaigned for abortions to be made illegal, would also be responsible for a loss of life.
In fact, either way, we are damned!?
Because if we watch lives being killed through legal abortion we are also wrong!
It’s one of those nasty situations that my opinion is so… mixed up? I don’t disagree with you, but I’m not sure I entire I agree either.
Also, the whole dictatorship thing, does really depend on a person’s opinion of a pregnancy. I do agree from the moment it is conceived a baby is a baby, a life… but if someone else doesn’t take that view point, then our beliefs are being dictated to them.
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Phemie
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I guess since they ruled that it was a suicide and no fault was attributed to the doctor there was no reason to reveal the her name.I didn’t understand this:
The coroner, Dr Emma Carlyon, ordered that the identities of the doctor who performed the abortion and her lead consultant be kept secret
Why would the doctor and her consultant(when did drs get consultants) be kept secret?
Doctors often have consultants:
- A physician or surgeon who does not take actual charge of a patient, but acts in an advisory capacity to the patient’s primary physician.
- Such a member of a hospital staff who may advise the attending physician or surgeon.
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deb1
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The same type of reasoning could be used for any illegal activity. If we made robbing stores legal-after all it happens often- wouldn’t that cause less store owners to be murdered? If I am against making robbery legal does that somehow make me responsible for the deaths of store owners who have their stores robbed?
Again, this reasoning could be used for any type of illegal activity. I think rape is wrong, but someone else doesn’t. What right does the state have to tell a man he can’t rape his date?
To live in a civilized society we have to have rules. Those rules limit what we do. You can’t drive as fast as you want, you have to pay attention to street lights etc.
Are their people who break those rules? Of course, but a society can’t refuse to set laws because not every one of its citizens agree with the laws.
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Rita88
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Hmmmm… you have made yet again very good points… and to be honest I know I can’t argue with them! I still feel a bit on the fence as to my opinions regarding it all though, because for me it’s impossible to determine the greater good in this situation… which again will be something most people on here will disagree with me over. I say that I can’t determine it because I care for both the mother, and the baby… it is not because I value either life less.
I guess, if I was only to apply my own morals to this situation, I wouldn’t agree with abortion, but that is purely based on my perspective… and no one else’s.
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