As controversial as it is... Spanish Civil War

[JanSobieskiIII]

I’ll wholeheartedly disagree. Fascism is bad, it has a key tenet associated with communism, it suppresses the individuals dignity and glorifies the states and seeks to use the state to replace the church and God.

 

[Saxum]

I’ll wholeheartedly disagree. Fascism is bad, it has a key tenet associated with communism, it suppresses the individuals dignity and glorifies the states and seeks to use the state to replace the church and God

I don’t know any fascist regime that has sought to replace the Catholic Church. The Marxists have done so. The western democracies oppose the Church. Putin is a quasi-fascist leader and he has enacted godly laws.

 

[Augustinian]

Fascism is bad, it has a key tenet associated with communism, it suppresses the individuals dignity and glorifies the states and seeks to use the state to replace the church and God.

Fair enough, but Franco was no fascist. He was a monarchist

 

[Saxum]

Fair enough, but Franco was no fascist. He was a monarchist

I’ve always saw a close connection between fascism and monarchism. And I’ll frankly admit that I’m no fan of democracy. Bad things happen when the rich can manipulate the political process and when the ignorant masses can enact immoral laws.

 

[Mike_from_NJ]

Franco instituted a policy in the 1930s that lasted into the 1990s (even after his death) where some newborns were taken away from mothers, who were then told that their babies had died. The babies were then given to families who were considered more suitable. This policy was carried about doctors, priests, and nuns. This is not the action of a good man.

Spain's stolen babies and the families who lived a lie

Spanish society has been shaken by revelations of the mass trafficking of babies, dating back to the Franco era but continuing until the 1990s involving respected doctors, nuns and priests.

www.bbc.com

 

[edwest211]

For a long time, starting shortly before the end of World War II, Russia and Communism were recognized for the threats they were. An “Iron Curtain” fell over the Soviet Union. Highly dangerous overflights were carried out by Great Britain and the US to avoid a surprise attack against Western Europe. All they had to go on were captured German documents at the start. The Russian intelligence service was brutal and methodical. Stalin inflicted terrible ends for millions of people, but for Russians, World War II was called “The Great Patriotic War.” Our ‘ally of convenience’ was really “let the Russian soldiers die to save time” part of the War. Anyone suspected of anything was killed, sent to labor camps or disappeared. The US and Britain could not afford to say or do much.

Hitler decided to send men and machines to help defeat the Communists in Spain. The Stuka, which the German people were told was never there, was used and the German Air Force gained much practical experience.

 

[JanSobieskiIII]

Benito Mussolini hated the Catholic Church. I’m sure you know his connection to fascism.

 

[wkj_123]

Franco instituted a policy in the 1930s that lasted into the 1990s (even after his death) where some newborns were taken away from mothers, who were then told that their babies had died. The babies were then given to families who were considered more suitable. This policy was carried about doctors, priests, and nuns. This is not the action of a good man.

No no no @Mike_from_NJ you don’t understand he supported the Catholic Church so it doesn’t matter. He can have 400,000 people killed and steal hundreds of babies he is still a great man. I’ve never seen anything like this. Only on CAF do you hear

I’d also like to add that I don’t think fascism is necessarily a bad thing

 

[wkj_123]

It is unbelievable because this isn’t true.

Franco had a problematic relationship at best with the German Fuhrer.

Hitler and Franco had a summit in 1941, Germany wanted passage for its army through Spain to capture Gibraltar.

The short story was that it never happened. Hitler remarked afterwards that he would rather have his teeth pulled out one by one than to deal with that “impossible man” (Franco)

Germany did help Spain fight off the attempted Communist Revolution in the 1930’s, and Soviet Russia was on the other side. But Spain was not a backer of Germany, and maintained its neutrality during the 2nd world war.

You sir are not being truthful. Spain did assist the axis with volunteers and material support. Please do not misrepresent the facts.

 

[wkj_123]

and that it’s unfortunate his legacy is tainted by accusations of fascism. I think he was great in the time period he existed, I dont think his policies would work today.

Did he or did he not oversee a regime that killed near 400,000 human beings?

 

[Saxum]

Do you not understand the gravity of the threat posed by communism? You demonise a man who saved the Spanish Church.

 

[Cor_ad_Cor]

Rather ironic comment, I think, considering most Spanish haven’t darkened the door of their parish church since before Franco died. Their masses aren’t exactly filled…

 

[wkj_123]

Do you not understand the gravity of the threat posed by communism?

Absolutely.

You demonise a man who saved the Spanish Church.

Absolutely I do. What your being right now is a faithful party member to the Church. You side with evil men because they supported the church. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Communism was terrible. Franco was terrible. It’s common sense.

 

[Saxum]

Rather ironic comment, I think, considering most Spanish haven’t darkened the door of their parish church since before Franco died. Their masses aren’t exactly filled…

The Church throughout the world is in crisis. The apostasy is not unique to Spain.

 

[JanSobieskiIII]

He did, show me a nation that hasn’t at some point in its history had a body count.

 

[CTBcin]

I don’t necessarily like Franco, but I do think his Nationalist forces were the lesser evil in comparison to the Republicans (communists). Both sides did awful things throughout the war though.

 

[wkj_123]

He did, show me a nation that hasn’t at some point in its history had a body count

Most have. The point is Franco was not a great man. You seem to have a thing for glorifying militant actions in the church. Like the Inquisition or Spanish dictators. Maybe it makes the church feel more manly to you? I don’t know, but I do think that Jesus wouldn’t approve. He didn’t strike me as the dictator/Inquisition type. Something to think about.

 

[edwest211]

The Blue Division consisted of Spanish volunteers that fought for Germany.

 

[wkj_123]

The Blue Division consisted of Spanish volunteers that fought for Germany.

Very true. I don’t get why people want to deny history. The point is to study it, learn from it, and don’t repeat the mistakes.

 

[edwest211]

Sadly, war is profitable. Peace? Not so much, but I prefer it.