As Vatican Revisits Divorce, Many Catholics Long for Acceptance

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It seems there are many divorced and remarried Catholics who want the Church to accept their divorce and remarriage,or who give up on the Church,thinking they are not welcome,can’t practice their faith or can’t participate in the mass because they aren’t allowed to receive the eucharist. The intention of the article is to stoke up sympathy for them and to sway public opinion to pressure the bishops to change Church law.

nytimes.com/2015/01/25/us/as-vatican-revisits-divorce-many-catholics-long-for-acceptance.html?_r=1

< Mark Garren does not take communion when he goes to church. Sometimes he walks up to the priest, crosses his arms over his chest and touches his shoulders to signal that he is seeking a blessing. More often, mindful of his divorce years ago, Mr. Garren, a 64-year-old Illinoisan, remains in his pew, watching with slight embarrassment as the rest of the row moves to the front of the church.

Pamela Crawford, 46, of Virginia, is having none of that. Twice divorced, she, too, feels judged by her church, but when she does go to Mass, she walks up with the rest of the congregation. “If God has a problem with me taking communion, we’ll sort it out,” she said.

Facing millions of divorced Catholics around the world, many of whom express frustration over their status in the church, the Vatican has begun a remarkable re-examination of the church’s treatment of worshipers whose marriages have broken apart.

Pope Francis, who plans to make his first trip to the United States in September to attend a conference on families, has acknowledged the concerns of divorced Catholics. He has set in motion a high-level debate about whether and how the church could change its posture toward them without altering a doctrine that declares marriage to be permanent and indissoluble.

The battle lines are clear: Some high-level church officials, most notably the conference of German bishops, want the church to relax its rules so that divorced Catholics can more fully return to church life, particularly by receiving communion, even if they have remarried. Traditionalists are pushing back fiercely, arguing that the indissolubility of marriage is ordained by God and therefore nonnegotiable. >

< Beyond the issues of church doctrine and procedure are complaints about how divorced Catholics are treated at the parish level. Many divorced Catholics sensed isolation, saying they felt judged or ostracized by priests and parishioners.

Women in particular expressed unhappiness at feeling interrogated by church tribunals during the annulment process about failed marriages, especially when abusive or adulterous husbands precipitated the breakup.

“You’re dealing with an abusive husband who is male, and then you have to go to a male to get the annulment, and a bunch of males sit at a table and decide whether your decision was correct,” said Denise Stookesberry, 58, of St. Louis. “It certainly alienated me as a woman.”

She responded by giving up on the annulment process rather than filling out documents that asked about her marital sex life. She later lost her job at a Catholic high school when she remarried, and then left Catholicism — for a time thinking that she was putting her soul in danger by doing so. >

Stories of Catholic Marriage and Divorce

nytimes.com/interactive/2015/01/24/us/catholic-divorce-reader-stories.html
 
Only the Vatican, not American bishops, can change this law, so these poor folks might be chasing their tails.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA.
 
As Vatican Revisits Divorce, Many Catholics Long for Acceptance

nytimes.com/interactive/2015/01/24/us/catholic-divorce-reader-stories.html
I think it is important to point out Pope Francis’ official comments about this issue:“About the problem of Communion to those persons in a second union, that the divorced might participate in Communion, there is no problem. When they are in a second union, they can’t. I believe that it is necessary to keep this within the entirety of pastoral care of marriage.” source

“The exclusion of divorced people who contract a second marriage from communion is not a [punishment]. It is important to remember this.” source

“People who are divorced can receive communion, people who are remarried can’t.” source To me, this language indicates his support for the traditional practice and his intention not to change it.
 
I think a large part of this problem is in the current practice of almost universal communion of everyone attending Mass, and the ushers having people come up row by row, as if it is universally expected.

When I was in school, this was not the case. At communion time, people came up randomly on their own to receive communion. The ushers did not go row by row, and no one cared whether their neighbor went up to receive or not. It is going to Mass that is the Sunday obligation, not receiving communion.
 
I am sure that God knows how people feel about missing Holy Communion and maybe one day the church will relax some things so that those with genuine reasons can receive Communion once more, even though they may be divorced and re married.

God works in mysterious ways!
 
I am sure that God knows how people feel about missing Holy Communion and maybe one day the church will relax some things so that those with genuine reasons can receive Communion once more, even though they may be divorced and re married.

God works in mysterious ways!
One never knows what might happen, but the Church will have a hard time trying to get around Jesus’ words prohibiting divorce.
 
I am sure that God knows how people feel about missing Holy Communion and maybe one day the church will relax some things so that those with genuine reasons can receive Communion once more, even though they may be divorced and re married.

God works in mysterious ways!
“God works in mysterious ways”? No, he does not. It is us who don’t get it and try to put words in his mouth, our words, our understanding of what what we think he might be saying.
I am divorced, my ex husband sodomized me. After two attempts on my life I was lucky to get out of his clutches alive. Sounds familiar? So many women have similar tales to tell and many more who did not live to tell.
He already had his next wife lined up to wed but now he needed to sanitize himself and he applied to the church for an annulment. I was never shown the exact wording of his petition, but the Catholic Triumvirate’s letter to me indicated I was a truly rotten person, I made him unhappy and unless I responded they will grant him the annulment.
How does one refute slander made without proof? What could be more superficial?
I replied to the Catholic Triumvirate that he tried to kill me, upon which they granted him his annulment.
 
“God works in mysterious ways”? No, he does not. It is us who don’t get it and try to put words in his mouth, our words, our understanding of what what we think he might be saying.
I am divorced, my ex husband sodomized me. After two attempts on my life I was lucky to get out of his clutches alive. Sounds familiar? So many women have similar tales to tell and many more who did not live to tell.
He already had his next wife lined up to wed but now he needed to sanitize himself and he applied to the church for an annulment. I was never shown the exact wording of his petition, but the Catholic Triumvirate’s letter to me indicated I was a truly rotten person, I made him unhappy and unless I responded they will grant him the annulment.
How does one refute slander made without proof? What could be more superficial?
I replied to the Catholic Triumvirate that he tried to kill me, upon which they granted him his annulment.
“Sanitize himself” is right. Sounds like he was in a hurry to be the petitioner, i.e., the ‘good guy,’ not the respondent. Still, I don’t doubt the decree of nullity was proper: he sounds like someone incapable of making a valid commitment to marriage, including the next one.
 
The church can change lots of things except for core beliefs / teachings.

Divorce and Communion can happen as long as one doesn’t re marry. Is that a core belief, straight from the Gospel? I dont know as that is why i am asking.
 
The church can change lots of things except for core beliefs / teachings.

Divorce and Communion can happen as long as one doesn’t re marry. Is that a core belief, straight from the Gospel? I dont know as that is why i am asking.
The issue is that a valid, sacramental marriage is for life. Jesus said, “Let no man separate what God has joined.” Consequently, while a divorce ends a civil marriage contract, it does not end a valid marriage covenant. If a person is the innocent victim in a divorce (i.e. he/she was abandoned, the victim of a cheating spouse, or the victim of abuse) he/she has done NOTHING morally wrong in obtaining a divorce. (It is not wrong for a person in such a situation to petition for a divorce, either; the divorce becomes a measure of civil protection.) This is why people in such a state can receive Holy Communion. The issue occurs when a divorced person attempts to contract a second marriage while the former spouse is still alive. A valid, sacramental marriage can ONLY be ended by the death of one spouse. (Jesus said, also, that in the world to come men will become as the angels and will not marry.) In the absence of evidence to the contrary, every marriage is considered valid until proven otherwise. As a result, if a person attempted to remarry without a declaration of nullity/dissolution of the marriage (the marriage can be dissolved in some situations if at least one party was not baptized), the person is objectively committing adultery with the new spouse. Adultery is a mortal sin; therefore, those who are committing adultery cannot receive Holy Communion.
 
“Sanitize himself” is right. Sounds like he was in a hurry to be the petitioner, i.e., the ‘good guy,’ not the respondent. Still, I don’t doubt the decree of nullity was proper: he sounds like someone incapable of making a valid commitment to marriage, including the next one.
Right. He is separated from his third wife,as we speak.
 
I am sure that God knows how people feel about missing Holy Communion and maybe one day the church will relax some things so that those with genuine reasons can receive Communion once more, even though they may be divorced and re married.

God works in mysterious ways!
I missed Communion on Sunday because I didn’t get to Confession on Saturday and had a mortal sin on me.

somehow I don’t feel the need to demand the Church change the teachings of Christ himself because of it.

Tell me, what other mortal sins should we toss out? All of them?
 
I think this is a regurgitated article from “CRUX” who claims to “Cover all things Catholic,” which it does the opposite. “CRUX’s” article has in the title “the faithful long for acceptance.” No, what the faithful long for is to retain true Catholicism. Their articles are nothing more than editorializations on “some things Catholic.”
 
Finally. Its nice to see that the church is finally softening its irrational puritanical views on sexuality and marriage. I always thought that the Catholic idea of an indissoluble marriage is ridiculous. I mean how can you be expected to remain married to a wife or husband who cheats on you.
 
Finally. Its nice to see that the church is finally softening its irrational puritanical views on sexuality and marriage. I always thought that the Catholic idea of an indissoluble marriage is ridiculous. I mean how can you be expected to remain married to a wife or husband who cheats on you.
So many misunderstandings in such a short paragraph. . .

No, the Church is not ‘softening irrational views’ because the Church’s views are not irrational, ‘puritanical’, or harsh.

Marriage is indissoluble. If your spouse’ cheats on you’, you can divorce, especially if the cheating endangers your physical health, spiritual health, or that of your children. What you cannot do, after that, is go out and remarry somebody ELSE without a decree of nullity. And frankly, in most cases, if a spouse is cheating, it’s usually a sign that he or she was not fully capable of consenting to marriage to begin with–and that is a valid reason for granting the decree.

Kathie, I sympathize with you, but the fact of the matter is, we’re just hearing what you THINK was said or done about your husband’s seeking a decree. Speaking as somebody who herself has had one, I can attest that it can be a hard process, hard to get through (but ultimately can be healing), and that simply relying on what you ‘think’ got said does not mean you understood it correctly. Do yourself a favor and continue to talk to somebody at the Tribunal. Tell him what you THINK was communicated to you. . .odds are, your understanding might not be entirely accurate. And my prayers also for your healing from abortion. If you haven’t investigated Rachel’s Vineyard yet, I highly recommend it.

So no, the Church is not somehow jettisoning its ‘wrong’ and repressive ‘man made’ ideas in favor of getting it finally ‘right’. The Church IS right. The thing we need to do is make sure that people understand WHY (and it’s quite obvious WHY people are getting confused, because they have a completely screwed up idea of what the Church does teach, as well as a rather skewed idea of what ‘mercy’ and ‘truth’ among other things are.) And unfortunately, we live in a time when if people don’t like what they hear, they automatically assume the speakers that ‘hurt’ them are doing so deliberately and are mean, and hateful, and bigoted, and hurtful just by not ‘accepting’ them. So yes, the Church needs to reach these people. God knows we need the Holy Spirit because in such a crazy world where black is white and wrong is right, He’s the ONLY one who can get through to so many kind, decent, loving, caring, searching, people who really want to do the right thing and are being led astray.
 
Finally. Its nice to see that the church is finally softening its irrational puritanical views on sexuality and marriage. I always thought that the Catholic idea of an indissoluble marriage is ridiculous. I mean how can you be expected to remain married to a wife or husband who cheats on you.
Nothing is being softened. The only irrational ones are those who believe the word of the Lord is meaningless and that we should do what we want rather than what He wants. Perhaps people should choose a little more carefully who they decide to ask the Lord to make their two bodies into one through marriage and then they wouldn’t find themselves in such situations you describe. We humans cannot undo what the Lord has done. Are you then giving credence to the heretical actions of Henry VIII? You seem to have a very secular view of marriage. Let me guess; you support “gay marriage” too?
 
Finally. Its nice to see that the church is finally softening its irrational puritanical views on sexuality and marriage. I always thought that the Catholic idea of an indissoluble marriage is ridiculous. I mean how can you be expected to remain married to a wife or husband who cheats on you.
Yeah, that Jesus guy was a really irrational nut. Why do we even listen to him anymore? You’d think Christians would’ve moved past that.
 
Yeah, that Jesus guy was a really irrational nut. Why do we even listen to him anymore? You’d think Christians would’ve moved past that.
Deleted. Im not continuing this. I’m far too tired and have too much work to do.
 
Finally. Its nice to see that the church is finally softening its irrational puritanical views on sexuality and marriage. I always thought that the Catholic idea of an indissoluble marriage is ridiculous. I mean how can you be expected to remain married to a wife or husband who cheats on you.
Non-sequitors, based on a premature assumption at that.
 
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