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Very reluctant to comment on this thread, given that the majority of these “I’m a _____” threads devolve into…well…what’s it devolved into.

However, regarding the “learning to observe with clarity” bit i feel i’m on much firmer ground given that we have both neurological and cognitive psychological evidence of both.

Let me be absolutely clear - i am in no way stating anything regarding the underpinnings of the Theravada/Mahayana/Vajrayana metaphysical viewpoint.

All i’m saying is that the effects offered up by the most basic forms of meditation or rather, contemplation to divide out the difference between East and West, has been scientifically verified. Its even served as the basis of MBSR.

Conversely, there hasn’t been much fieldwork/labwork done in terms of the effects of meditation/contemplation practices for most Western traditions. Off the top of my head - i believe there was a study of Carmelite nuns who got MRI while praying the rosary - it does have some positive effects on the blood pressure (although that really isn’t the point to praying the rosary is it).

There was also this landmark study for one of those protestant sects (escapes my mind) who speak in tongues. Their Superior Parietal Lobe (portion of the brain that accounts for space/time experiences) activity drops dramatically.

There’s a general…dare i say reluctance on the part of those in the Abrahamic faiths to let us go poking around their noggins in the depths of their psychological experiences.
Actually praying the rosary is indeed about that. When you say the rosary you are in a certain peace with God. It is your time with him, and his Mother and yourself. It not only can lower your blood pressure it can actually relieve much stress in your life.

For myself and others it actually changes your life. When you dedicate you life everyday and pray the rosary it is time spent with God. That time actually give you the strength from his grace to learn to rely on him for everyting.

When you learn to rely on Christ for everything you actually come to a point in your life that whatever comes you way will be what will be. But you feel that bond with Christ and his Mother that you know whatever happens it will truly be okay.

When you become in that state of Grace with God not only does you blood pressure go down, you are not as sick, you have more energy, and you are actually a better person, you feel better about yourself, and are a better and compassionate person to others.

Its truly a gift from God.

My daughter was in a bad place about 6 years ago, She began to pray the rosary every single day for a year on her way to work. Her life has turned around a million percent.

And she is so happy now, and married, and when thing’s get her down she continues to pray and she is fine.

My Dad always taught me also when you are in a great deal of stress and panic it means the devil is near. He said to say in the name of Jesus Christ satan depart from me. Keep saying it. It works every single time. It has never failed for me.🤷
 
Dr’s also have scientific proof that patients who said the rosary or pray before and after surgery’s do better then those they do not.

Faith and grace from God can move mountains.
 
Dr’s also have scientific proof that patients who said the rosary or pray before and after surgery’s do better then those they do not.

Faith and grace from God can move mountains.
There are also numerous studies pointing to the idea that prayer actually worsens patient’s post-operation health and recovery rates.
 
There are also numerous studies pointing to the idea that prayer actually worsens patient’s post-operation health and recovery rates.
Here something. nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html?pagewanted=all
In the study, the researchers monitored 1,802 patients at six hospitals who received coronary bypass surgery, in which doctors reroute circulation around a clogged vein or artery.
The patients were broken into three groups. Two were prayed for; the third was not. Half the patients who received the prayers were told that they were being prayed for; half were told that they might or might not receive prayers.
The researchers asked the members of three congregations — St. Paul’s Monastery in St. Paul; the Community of Teresian Carmelites in Worcester, Mass.; and Silent Unity, a Missouri prayer ministry near Kansas City — to deliver the prayers, using the patients’ first names and the first initials of their last names.
The congregations were told that they could pray in their own ways, but they were instructed to include the phrase, “for a successful surgery with a quick, healthy recovery and no complications.”
Analyzing complications in the 30 days after the operations, the researchers found no differences between those patients who were prayed for and those who were not.
In another of the study’s findings, a significantly higher number of the patients who knew that they were being prayed for — 59 percent — suffered complications, compared with 51 percent of those who were uncertain. The authors left open the possibility that this was a chance finding. But they said that being aware of the strangers’ prayers also may have caused some of the patients a kind of performance anxiety.
“It may have made them uncertain, wondering am I so sick they had to call in their prayer team?” Dr. Bethea said.
The study also found that more patients in the uninformed prayer group — 18 percent — suffered major complications, like heart attack or stroke, compared with 13 percent in the group that did not receive prayers. In their report, the researchers suggested that this finding might also be a result of chance.
One reason the study was so widely anticipated was that it was led by Dr. Benson, who in his work has emphasized the soothing power of personal prayer and meditation.
There have been no studies on how people who pray are affected . I would think that prayer has a very positive effect on the person praying.
 
Well, I can see where the trajectory of this thread is going.

Let me simply state the following.

1.) The first thing any good scientist looks at after hearing the results of a study is deconstructing its methodology and looking for errors. Depending on the journal in question this can be done in a rather sloppy manner or done aggressively.

Has anyone ever heard of the Impact Index? Its a measure of the average number of citations of an article made in both scientific and social science journals. In terms of scientific affairs its a good shall we say “measure” of the number of people who have seen the article and put it through a proper vetting.

2.) Ultimately the most persuasive articles are those that can meet the criteria of giving an account of “how” and the ability to reproduce the data.

“How” here is specific. It isn’t a mere polemical or ideological argument - we’re referring to a Mechanism.

The ability to reproduce the experiment in question is also very important, specifically under controlled conditions. Otherwise what a person reports in a study may have in fact been a fluke or a systematic error.

3.) In the case of Buddhist contemplative practices (emphasis on contemplation, in no way am i making reference to devotional aspects which would fall under the Western rubric of prayer), we’ve been able to hit the reproduceability aspect of a highly persuasive argument.

Much of this has to do with initiatives.by both the Rinzai/Soto Zen schools and the 4 Tibetan Schools in adherence to the wishes of the Dalai Lama, as well as a marked engagement by the Theravada school out of Thailand.

Understand also that when this engagement started circa 1980 with Dr. Herbert Benson from Harvard, the relationship between Neuroscience and the strands of Buddhism that wanted to engage in the relationship ran something to the effect of:

Buddhists: “We have contemplative practices that alter our thoughts and lead to XYZ”
Scientists: “Huh? You’ve got to be kid-”
Buddhists: “Alright, why don’t you just put us to the test? We won’t contest the results.”
Scientists: “Sure, ok… we don’t we start with just monitoring metabolic patterns, so your claim is that by meditating XYZ occurs…”

Is it a phenomena specific to the person? - Then get another practitioner to repeat it.
Does climate have an effect on the phenomena? - Move the testing site, or control the environment in the laboratory.
Is it race related? Gender? Age? - expand the Pool of participants.

Reproduce - again, and again, and again, and again. Seek out every possible variable, every condition that could throw off the results of the study…

Its been 20 years - 20 years of MRIs, Neuroimaging, demands that what some scientists saw in an isolated Tibetan monastery in Amdo Province be reproduced again at Mass General in Boston, etc.

And the results still keep coming up in the manner which they have predicted - with a quiet and patient confidence i might add.

My own thoughts on the matter:

So i’m a dyed in wool scientific materialist (until presented with evidence to the contrary) - and an experimentalist by training. Not particularly mystical, never been much fascinated by ideas like reincarnation, perfectly at peace with the idea that once i’m dead i’m worm food.

ie: I have no personal inclination to be carried away by Eastern philosophical mysticism.

Yet even I can’t deny the experiments that have been run.

Let me be explicit one more time. This is only in reference to the claims they have made regarding their contemplative practices - which the on the whole have not been supernatural - although a bit counterintuitive.

It may simply be the fact that Siddartha Gautama had discovered some rather profound methods during the course of his lifetime in shaping the human mind.
 
Not outright false, but inadequate and oversimplified. The suggestion that Buddhism focuses on the self does not match the impression I get from actually reading Buddhist texts and talking to Buddhists. It focuses on the self only in the sense that that’s where the trouble is. But the trouble is precisely our imprisonment in a false sense of self. I fail to see how this is egocentric in any negative sense.

Therapy for the soul is only part of Christianity, but it is an important part. And because Buddhists are, as it were, specialists in this area, we would do well to listen to them–carefully and respectfully, but not uncritically.

Edwin
Edwin, may i ask a favor of you?

My participation on this board is quite limited as i tend to split my time between here and several other places when i want a question answered about a specific religion, but i wanted to put a question to you directly given that i’ve read many of your own thoughtful responses.

I’m an outsider looking in on all of this - the collective religious bubble if you will - so i may be missing a few critical “goal posts” on the matter if you will.

My question is quite simple:

When I present case studies or contemplative practices emanating from Western traditions - let’s take the spiritual practices of the monks of Mt. Athos, to those outside of the Western tradition - i am universally met with enthusiasm or curiosity.

[Note: There seems to be an incredible interest amongst Hindu Yogis, Quanzhen Daoists, and Tibetan Buddhists toward Orthodox Christianity’s specific practices - moreso than other Christian denominations.]

Many are even willing to acknowledge it as a path toward enlightenment/salvation/therapy of the soul/what have you.

That’s East facing West.

When i turn the table around the err…reaction takes on a rather, how should i put this politely…argumentative tone? Moreso with the Protestant denominations than Episcopalians or Catholics (or well, some Catholic).

Mind tossing me a road map to get my bearings as to why?
 
I would say that West does not face East because the West an all-powerful God who declares that fidelity to Him is important. The orthodox West does not believe there are multiple ways to God or that there is no truth. A Hindu can accept Jesus as an avatar. A Buddhist can accept Jesus as a wise being close to enlightenment. But anyone who accepts Orthodox Christianity accepts that Jesus is the way, the light, the truth, and the only way to God. Christianity is not a bunch of philosophical sayings or a handbook on how to live, it is a personal relationship with God.
 
I would say that West does not face East because the West an all-powerful God who declares that fidelity to Him is important. The orthodox West does not believe there are multiple ways to God or that there is no truth. A Hindu can accept Jesus as an avatar. A Buddhist can accept Jesus as a wise being close to enlightenment. But anyone who accepts Orthodox Christianity accepts that Jesus is the way, the light, the truth, and the only way to God. Christianity is not a bunch of philosophical sayings or a handbook on how to live, it is a personal relationship with God.
Well put. Your statement explains your signature line quote.

Do you believe that this personal relationship is reflected in the workings of the brain? Do you think you and I follow different paths because our brains, from their earliest development, work differently?
 
I am not sure. I was raised a Hindu, took interest in Buddhism because of how wise and profound it sounded (sounding reasonable rather than having faith in something you can’t fully grasp as a youth is very tempting, especially if you hate the idea of authority restricting your freedom), then I became an atheist. It was only when I really asked myself the question “if there is a God and he asks me why I never tried seeking Him truly but was a disinterested skeptic, what would I say?” I actually prayed for the first time in years and was rewarded with a mystical experience of the crucifixion and I realized the bible was telling the truth when it tells you that you will find God if you seek with all your heart; I always just assumed it was a mind being predisposed to seeing God and not a true encounter, but after my encounter I saw how foolishly skeptical I was about the testimony of other Christians.

Still hated the idea of ritual and dogma, after understanding Catholicism and the centrality of the Eucharist in both testaments I finally found peace with yielding to authority of the Church and accepting ideas I don’t fully grasp.

I would say my mind predisposed me to be skeptical and demanding rational knowledge but it is the grace of God that gave me the ability to have faith in things that can not fully be grasped by the intellect and reason. Without this grace I would have remained condemned. I needed to yield to the grace to have faith to the idea that God would answer my prayer if I only sought Him with all my heart.
 
I am not sure. I was raised a Hindu, took interest in Buddhism because of how wise and profound it sounded (sounding reasonable rather than having faith in something you can’t fully grasp as a youth is very tempting, especially if you hate the idea of authority restricting your freedom), then I became an atheist. It was only when I really asked myself the question “if there is a God and he asks me why I never tried seeking Him truly but was a disinterested skeptic, what would I say?” I actually prayed for the first time in years and was rewarded with a mystical experience of the crucifixion and I realized the bible was telling the truth when it tells you that you will find God if you seek with all your heart; I always just assumed it was a mind being predisposed to seeing God and not a true encounter, but after my encounter I saw how foolishly skeptical I was about the testimony of other Christians.

Still hated the idea of ritual and dogma, after understanding Catholicism and the centrality of the Eucharist in both testaments I finally found peace with yielding to authority of the Church and accepting ideas I don’t fully grasp.

I would say my mind predisposed me to be skeptical and demanding rational knowledge but it is the grace of God that gave me the ability to have faith in things that can not fully be grasped by the intellect and reason. Without this grace I would have remained condemned. I needed to yield to the grace to have faith to the idea that God would answer my prayer if I only sought Him with all my heart.
Thank-you so much for this. For numerous reasons. But for the fact that you testified to many truths, and the I am quite HAPPY with is the one when you said that it was the GRACE gvien to you by God that saved you.

And that by using and accepting this grace is what saved you.

What people do not understand is God never pushes himself on anyone. All you have to do is truly want him, If you truly want him and go to him he will find a way to bring you to him. That is the fullness of his Grace.

Thats why its called Amazing! God bless you and I am so sure you will be a great asset to Christ. Welcome Home!
 
I believe no natural man can take a look at his surroundings, look to the heavens, and cry out to God. Things of God are foolishness to natural men. Faith is nonsense according to human wisdom. Based on the trajectory of my life, there is no way I would have considered such an idea, to cry out to a God I did not believe in. Nevertheless I had to act on such an inspiration.
 
Here something. nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html?pagewanted=all

There have been no studies on how people who pray are affected . I would think that prayer has a very positive effect on the person praying.
Really?

In 1993 an Israeli survery following 10,000 civil servants for 26 years found that Orthodox Jews were less likely to die from Cardiovascular then people who were non-believers.

In 1995 a study from DartMouth College in Hanover N.H. monitoring 250 people after heart surgery concluded that those that had social support and Religious Connection were 12 times less likely to die then those that do not.

Holistic-online.com had much to say about to disput you.

But it truly does not matter. These is testimony in the bible that all Jesus had to do is touch someone and they were cured.

It is even written that a women thought if she could just Touch something on Jesus she could be cured. Jesus felt the power come out of him and asked who touched me? She said I did, I thought if I could just touch you I would be cured.

Jesus said it is your faith that cured you. Any Christian knows the power of pray for oneself and others.

We have te anointing of the sick at our Church all the time. We don’t need facts or prroof we have faith and have all received this grace from God many times in our lives.

As the bible states the good works acheived by Christ the world could not carry the books.
 
Yoga as it is commonly known in the west is descended from Hinduism, not Buddhism, so I don’t see what Yoga has to do anything with Buddhism.
Why do you continue to try to make me say things I do not? Where did I state this?
 
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My question is quite simple:

When I present case studies or contemplative practices emanating from Western traditions - let’s take the spiritual practices of the monks of Mt. Athos, to those outside of the Western tradition - i am universally met with enthusiasm or curiosity.

[Note: There seems to be an incredible interest amongst Hindu Yogis, Quanzhen Daoists, and Tibetan Buddhists toward Orthodox Christianity’s specific practices - moreso than other Christian denominations.]
Yes. The other “Western” or “Abrahamic” tradition that commands a lot of interest outside its own religion’s frontiers is Islamic Sufism.

Western Christian (i.e., Catholic) monasticism is typically respected, but in a slightly patronizing way–the consensus among those interested in spirituality/mysticism across religious frontiers seems to be that Western mysticism doesn’t have as systematic and profound an approach to contemplation as Eastern Christianity, Sufism, or the “Eastern” religions. As a Western Christian, I think that’s unfair–the more personal and practical approach of Western Christianity has much to commend it, I think–but it is fair to say (even though most Orthodox Christians would probably reject the idea with horror) that Eastern Christian mysticism has more in common with Sufism and the Indian religions than most forms of Western Christian spirituality do. (This blog post by the Orthodox scholar James Cutsinger illustrates what I’m talking about. Cutsinger is not a “typical” Orthodox Christian in his attitude to other religions, I hasten to add!)

I say this as a counterbalance to your generalization. As you yourself say, “Eastern” admiration for Christian spirituality is directed more toward “Eastern” Christian than “Western” Christian spirituality (this discussion is hampered by the fact that the word “Eastern” is being used in two quite distinct senses, referring to two quite different parts of the world–India and other eastern parts of Asia in the first place; Eastern Europe and the Middle East in the second).
When i turn the table around the err…reaction takes on a rather, how should i put this politely…argumentative tone? Moreso with the Protestant denominations than Episcopalians or Catholics (or well, some Catholic).
Mind tossing me a road map to get my bearings as to why?
As InJesusITrust pointed out, the “Western” or “Abrahamic” religions make more exclusive claims, and so they are relatively less open to appreciate the religious “other.” However, this varies widely among Christian traditions. I don’t think it’s a Protestant/Catholic thing, although in Catholicism there’s a better worked out basis for appreciating other religions from within an “orthodox” understanding of the Faith. You wouldn’t necessarily know that from this forum, though!

I think the big thing that gets ignored when looking at this issue is that the “Eastern” religions can be more “tolerant” because they have an account that subsumes our spirituality into their paradigm. In other words, Buddhists may see Jesus as a Bodhisattva, or they may see him as a compassionate person of considerable wisdom who fell short of full enlightenment. Either way they have a perfectly good basis for appreciating Christianity while nonetheless seeing our approach as defective in important ways. Catholicism has begun to work out a similar approach–see Vatican II’s document Lumen Gentium–but it’s harder from the Christian end because of our apocalyptic view of the world (i.e., our understanding that there are powers of darkness fighting against God, though these are not independent of God and will ultimately be defeated), our exclusivist monotheism (i.e., One God opposed to false gods, rather than One God behind and beyond and in the many gods as in Hinduism), and our understanding of this present life as spiritually decisive (Hindus and Buddhists can expect that any spiritual insights we fail to achieve in this life will be achieved in a future life, so, for instance, Buddhists can hold to an “exclusivist” understanding of Buddhism as the only path that will lead to true enlightenment, while still welcoming and affirming multiple spiritual paths for people in this present life).

I think that these “obstacles” actually help us in the long run to work out an approach to other religions that appreciates them in their “otherness” rather than simply subsuming them into our paradigm. In a sense, “tolerance” is too “easy” for folks in the Eastern religions, as I see it.

Edwin
 
Buddhist meditation is not about emptying the mind, but about learning to observe with clarity.

Your criticism would work if I were saying that a Catholic could use Buddhist meditation to find God, but I am not. I am arguing that a Catholic could use Buddhist meditation for an increase in natural happiness.
I know you keep saying this. I did not ask you if Buddhis meditation was about emptying the mind, I said that is why it cannot be combined IMO by a Christian.

We cannot empty our minds our minds must always be on Christ.

In Buddhism people should EMPTY the Mind and QUIET the mind because the MIND must be EMPTY before it can mysticallly understand the subtle principle.

If the mind is not emptied it is like a lamp in the wind.

Now in the Catholic faith we must have a mind FULL. Full of Christ, filled completely with Christ. now I have asked you numerous times, you will not give me a straight answer.

Please give me one, this is what the thread is about. Here is my question clear and honest.

How can a Christian who is taught when they meditate in prayer to fill their mind with scripture and Christ , possibly mix with your meditation when the mind must be emptied or it is like a lamp in the wind?

Please tell me how this can mix? You have one saying fill your mind with Christ, and the other saying empty your mind?
 
How? If you cannot find God how are you going to increase natural happiness? All happiness comes from God. 🤷

You said Buddhist meditation is not about emptying the mind, then why is it called to do this. Are you denying that emptying the mind is what Buddhist meditation is?:confused:
  1. You are arguing that in essence it is only possible to increase natural happiness with practices and things which are centered on God. This is contrary to fact because people have happiness apart from God centered things all the time. For example, non-believers can have great joy in their lives through friendship, family, and all sorts of other things. This is a natural happiness that can be experienced through means that are not based on God.
The concept of such natural happiness isn’t without precedent in Catholic thinking. For example, when theologians talked about the theory of the Limbo of the Infants (a theological opinion, not a dogma of the faith) they said that unbaptized infants go to hell and are separated from God (as all are in Hell) but nonetheless enjoy natural happiness, even in hell. The New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia puts it this way in the article on Limbo:

“…we ought to believe that [the souls in Limbo] enjoy and will eternally enjoy a state of perfect natural happiness…”

A Catholic should strive for an increase of both supernatural happiness (through prayer) and natural happiness (through other means) in this life, correct? All I am arguing is that Buddhist meditation can be used to increase this natural happiness.
  1. Correct, I am saying Buddhist meditation isn’t about emptying the mind. Most sects of Buddhism don’t use that term, and of those that do (Zen Buddhism for example), they probably mean something like “Empty your mind of distraction” rather than telling you to just zone out.
 
    1. Correct, I am saying Buddhist meditation isn’t about emptying the mind. Most sects of Buddhism don’t use that term, and of those that do (Zen Buddhism for example), they probably mean something like “Empty your mind of distraction” rather than telling you to just zone out.
Certainly meditation on metta, loving kindness towards others, is not emptying the mind.

Breath meditation focuses on the breath to the exclusion of discursive thought but it is not emptying the mind.

Body meditation focuses on the parts of the body but is not emptying the mind.

Vipassana meditation focuses on the observation of the five aggregates but is not emptying the mind.

Maranassati meditation focuses on death but is not emptying the mind.

I could go on but I think the point is made. Meditation is about focus/concentration.
 
Yes. The other “Western” or “Abrahamic” tradition that commands a lot of interest outside its own religion’s frontiers is Islamic Sufism.

Western Christian (i.e., Catholic) monasticism is typically respected, but in a slightly patronizing way–the consensus among those interested in spirituality/mysticism across religious frontiers seems to be that Western mysticism doesn’t have as systematic and profound an approach to contemplation as Eastern Christianity, Sufism, or the “Eastern” religions. As a Western Christian, I think that’s unfair–the more personal and practical approach of Western Christianity has much to commend it, I think–but it is fair to say (even though most Orthodox Christians would probably reject the idea with horror) that Eastern Christian mysticism has more in common with Sufism and the Indian religions than most forms of Western Christian spirituality do. (This blog post by the Orthodox scholar James Cutsinger illustrates what I’m talking about. Cutsinger is not a “typical” Orthodox Christian in his attitude to other religions, I hasten to add!)
My dear brother Contarini 🙂

I find this view of Western mysticism - both Catholic and Protestant (lets not forget Jakob Boehme, the English Metaphysical poets, Thomas Traherne, the Quaker founder George Fox etc.) very interesting, given that in my my honest experience I have found more similarities between Western mystics and Sufism - typically - than with Eastern Christian mystics. I have yet to find an Eckhart or a Ruysbroeck amongst the Easterners, with that characteristic daring language of “union of indistinction” with God, which one finds in surplus within Sufi literature (think Ibn Arabi, Iraqi, Attar, Rumi, Hafiz) and Vedanta.

Rarely - if ever - have I seen Eastern Orthodox mystics who use sexual - Song of Songs inspired - love imagery and poetry to express the spiritual path to union with God, whereas this abounds in Western mysticism especially from the time of Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, reaching its poetic summit one could say in Saint John of the Cross.

Eastern Christian mysticism seems to me a rather unique spiritual tradition, with great focus placed upon the Uncreated Tabor Light. Yes theosis is the keystone of Orthodox Christian spirituality, and its laity are beyond doubt more mystical than ours I would say given the heavily mystical orientation of Eastern Christianity as a whole over the more scholastic thought of the West, however I have never seen theosis expressed in a manner evolved from that of the Fathers. In my own experience the Easterners more than any other tradition in Christianity have maintained - with the exception of Palamas’ essence-energy distinction - a very Patristic manner of expressing union with God ie “God became man so that men might become God”. One does not find anything comparable to Sufi/Hindu forms of divine union, with concepts of the soul merging with deity like droplets of water dissolving into the ocean. I may be completely wrong, and simply not found such Eastern mystics yet, however such language - as un-orthodox as it could be construed - abounds in the poetry of Beguine mystics such as Mecthild of Magdeburg, Blessed Jacopone da Todi (Franciscan), Hadewijch of Brabant and even Saint Teresa of Avila (who uses the idea of rainwater falling into a river to explain union with God).

I honestly think that there is more direct resonance between the Westen mystics mentioned above and Sufism, than the Eastern Christian mystics (Ie Symeon the New Theologian, Palamas, Theophan the Recluse, Seraphim of Sarov).

For these reasons I simply find it odd why Eastern Christian mysticism would be viewed by some as having more of an affinity with Sufism and Eastern religions.

I rather think that much of it stems from a distrust of the West because of centuries of colonialism and scientific progress, rather than an honest appraisal of the Western mystics.

That’s not to deny that the East is generally as a whole tradition more “mystical” in terms of general doctrine, whereas the West is more scholastic, however I honestly don’t detect much in common with Sufism.

Eastern Christian spirituality is, as a whole, probably more systematic but the West isn’t for good reasons - Christianity isn’t about methods or works but Grace.

Eckhart was emphatic in stating that we cannot become attached to “means”, methods or “paths” and devotions to God - since in doing so we find the way rather than God who is hidden behind the way, thus losing God in the process. The Meister thus called his way “the wayless Way” which I think captures the unique emphasis of Western mysticism rather well.

Of course as Pope John Paul II once said both the East and the West of the Catholic Church will be stronger in certain areas than the other, having a superior “understanding” one could say of different things, and the East is most definetly more defined in terms of methods (ie breathing exercises, postures, modes, logismoi).
 
Below is an interesting article on Buddhist meditation and its effect on the brain from the NIH (National Institute of Health). The full article is here. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2944261/
…Neuroplasticity is a term that is used to describe the brain changes that occur in response to experience. There are many different mechanisms of neuroplasticity ranging from the growth of new connections to the creation of new neurons. When the framework of neuroplasticity is applied to meditation, we suggest that the mental training of meditation is fundamentally no different than other forms of skill acquisition that can induce plastic changes in the brain [1,2].
The term ‘meditation’ refers to a broad variety of practices, ranging from techniques designed to promote relaxation to exercises performed with a more far-reaching goal such as a heightened sense of well-being. It is thus essential to be specific about the type of meditation practice under investigation. In [3] meditation was conceptualized as a family of complex emotional and attentional regulatory strategies developed for various ends, including the cultivation of well-being and emotional balance. Here we focus on Focused Attention (FA) meditation and Open Monitoring (OM) meditation.
The Focused Attention (FA) meditation entails voluntary focusing attention on a chosen object in a sustained fashion. The Open Monitoring (OM) meditation involves non-reactively monitoring the content of experience from moment-to-moment, primarily as a means to recognize the nature of emotional and cognitive patterns.
OM meditation initially involves the use of FA training to calm the mind and reduce distractions, but as FA advances, the cultivation of the monitoring skill per se becomes the main focus of practice. The aim is to reach a state in which no explicit focus on a specific object is retained; instead, one remains only in the monitoring state, attentive moment-by-moment to anything that occurs in experience.
These two common styles of meditation are often combined, whether in a single session or over the course of practitioner’s training. These styles are found with some variation in several meditation systems, including the Buddhist Vipassanā and Mahāmudrā and are also implicated in many popular secular interventions that draw on Buddhist practices.
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