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joe371 said:
God revealed to Satan that someday a human being (Messiah) would bring Satan and his kingdom down - total annihilation, so it is reasonable to conclude, from that moment on, Satan would seek to destroy the Messiah as soon as he found out who that human was
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This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever if you believe God is all-powerful and all-right. Absolutely no sense at all.
 
jerry_joseph said:
Ancient human beings considered the natural forces such as sun, moon, wind , water etc which are beyond their control as Gods. These type of faith is known as animism. Bible does not calls this as evil. They are searching for God through his creations. Bible only asks a question, why they cannot find its creator?. If his creations are powerful, then imagine how much powerful is its creator?.

" Yes, naturally stupid are all who are unaware of God, and who, from good things seen, have not been able to discover Him-who-is, or, by studying the works, have not recognised the Artificer.

Fire, however, or wind, or the swift air, the sphere of the stars, impetuous water, heaven’s lamps, are what they have held to be the gods who govern the world.

If, charmed by their beauty, they have taken these for gods, let them know how much the Master of these excels them, since he was the very source of beauty that created them.

And if they have been impressed by their power and energy, let them deduce from these how much mightier is he that has formed them,

since through the grandeur and beauty of the creatures we may, by analogy, contemplate their Author.

Small blame, however, attaches to them, for perhaps they go astray only in their search for God and their eagerness to find him;

familiar with his works, they investigate them and fall victim to appearances, seeing so much beauty.

But even so, they have no excuse:

if they are capable of acquiring enough knowledge to be able to investigate the world, how have they been so slow to find its Master? (Wisdom-13:1-9)

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Paganism is deception.Paganism is evil. It is a deception.It is different from Animism. When human beings started considering these natural forces as personified Gods and started writing myths and stories about these, Paganism originated. In paganism all natural forces are personified Gods. Apart from that there will be some imaginary Gods , who created these natural forces.In most pagan mythologies , these natural forces are secondary Gods , who servies Pagan Gods. That is the importance of True God is taken away and given to imaginary Gods. That’s why bible considers it as evil. It is an idol (obstacle ) before humanity which stops human beings to search for true God.

"Accursed the man-made idol, yes, it and its maker, he for having made it, and it because, though perishable, it has been called god.

For God holds the godless and his godlessness in equal hatred;

both work and workman will alike be punished.

Hence even the idols of the nations will have a visitation since, in God’s creation, they have become an abomination, a scandal for human souls, a snare for the feet of the foolish.

The idea of making idols was the origin of fornication, their discovery corrupted life.

They did not exist at the beginning, they will not exist for ever;

human vanity brought them into the world, and a quick end is therefore reserved for them. (Wisdom 14: 8-14)

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"And this became a snare for life: that people, whether enslaved by misfortune or by tyranny, should have conferred the ineffable Name on sticks and stones.

It is not enough, however, for them to have such misconceptions about God; for, living in the fierce warfare of ignorance, they call these terrible evils peace.

With their child-murdering rites, their occult mysteries, or their frenzied orgies with outlandish customs,

they no longer retain any purity in their lives or their marriages, one treacherously murdering another or wronging him by adultery.

Everywhere a welter of blood and murder, theft and fraud, corruption, treachery, riot, perjury,

disturbance of decent people, forgetfulness of favours, pollution of souls, sins against nature, disorder in marriage, adultery and debauchery.

For the worship of idols with no name is the beginning, cause, and end of every evil.

For these people either carry their merrymaking to the point of frenzy, or they prophesy what is not true, or they live wicked lives, or they perjure themselves without hesitation;

since they put their trust in lifeless idols they do not reckon their false oaths can harm them.

But they will be justly punished for this double crime: for degrading the concept of God by adhering to idols; and for wickedly perjuring themselves in contempt for what is holy.

For it is not the power of the things by which they swear but the punishment reserved for sinners that always follows the offences of wicked people.

Wisdom 14: 21-31
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Pagans don’t worship man-made idols or statues, which is what these sections talk about. A better translation and the full book is here: tldm.org/bible/old%20testament/wisdom.htm[tldm.org/bible/old%20testament/wisdom.htm](Book of Wisdom)
 
Skadi said:
Lol no thats not why I left, im just pointing out some hypocrisy. although I do think the christian idea of afterlife is a little… unrealistic. Why would satan seek to punish those who aid him, really.
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Are you kidding me. You really don’t know?

Because satan hates you, and God loves you. He loves and will do anything in his power to get you away from God. So he can hurt God and you.

Look at how he works in the world today. If you give over your soul to him he will give you anything you want. Great huh. ANd then he totally destroys you with it. Don’t you see this in the world today.

Look at these lost souls seeking power, money, beauty, and then when they get it they are so miserable and usually seek death. Why do you think that is so?

Simple they lost God.

How could someone with so little who love and adore God be so happy and grateful for very little. And someone who loves themself and rejects God have so much and be so miserable. Its quite clear is it not.

The saying goes my NEEDS are FEW but my WANTS are MANY. God gives you everything you need, but not everything you want.

Why? Simple because everything you want is not what you need,

When you truly have God you have no true fears, anxiety’s, He takes them away, And not for 200.00 an hour either.

Funny how someone will pay millions to confess their sins to a Dr who can do nothing for them. But will refuse to confess to a Priest for free who can forgive them and take them away in Gods name. Go figure.🤷
 
mlamg said:
Typical lack of charity and truth that is seen so often here.

No, we do not. Though the size of ego in Catholics could also show their worship of themselves.
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I am sorry if I came off as uncharitable. I did not mean to be so.

Please correct me if I am wrong. We as Catholics worship Christ. Who do you worship? I mean I am quite confused.

Who then are your gods? I thought you followed your own thoughts?:confused:
 
joe371 said:
I have been searching and asking other people of other religious beliefs and no one mentions anything. Do you know of any? I sure would like to investigate them!🙂 it doesn’t even have to be as obvious as the miracle of Fatima. 👍
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Asking others about what exactly, types of miracles, deities manifesting? So you’ve concluded from your finite research (as I assume you don’t have the time or finances to do exhaustive research) that you have empirical evidence that others of other religions don’t have profound experiences?

Even those believers who were present at the alleged miracle of the sun didn’t see the same thing, or anything at all, nor was there anything scientific to corroborate that something extraordinary had occurred.
 
mlamg said:
EXACTLY. Believe or burn for all eternity. What I always want to know is, how can this God of the Bible be a completely loving God, to such a degree that many say that God is love??? Telling creation to worship or burn for all eternity is not love, it’s jealousy. Telling a man to sacrifice his own son and then changing his mind at the last minute when he saw the guy was about to do it is…mind-boggling, at the very least. A God that killed every inhabitant of the world except for some people and animals on an ark, mainly because HE screwed up and didn’t make things they way he should have, is certainly NOT a God of love.

Christianity is SO confusing and, to so many of us pagans, downright crazy.
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Not if you understand it.

To believe is tobe filled with the Holy Spirit and have contentment in your life and every burning desire within oneself satisified.

To burn for all eternity is to reject the Love of Christ and to be burning with the desire that can never be fulfilled without him.

That is why hell is called total separation from God.

To be separated from God and his love is the worst thing in the world. Its a yearning that you cannot every get without him.

As the scripture states a desire that will forever burn and never be met.
 
rinnie said:
I am sorry if I came off as uncharitable. I did not mean to be so.

Please correct me if I am wrong. We as Catholics worship Christ. Who do you worship? I mean I am quite confused.

Who then are your gods? I thought you followed your own thoughts?:confused:
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I’m pretty sure that various Pagans in this thread have talked about the specific deities that they worship, whether Celtic, Greek, or Germanic deities. They believe that these deities actually exist, and are worshipped. They don’t worship themselves or their thoughts.

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LivingWaters7 said:
I’m pretty sure that various Pagans in this thread have talked about the specific deities that they worship, whether Celtic, Greek, or Germanic deities. They believe that these deities actually exist, and are worshipped. They don’t worship themselves or their thoughts.

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Thanks my bad.
 
joe371 said:
And what is wrong with following God’s way? A call to love unconditionally, as much as possible, sounds pretty cool to me. :shrug:Perhaps it is the part about picking up one’s cross and following Jesus, that rubs you the wrong way? Hell is pretty easy to avoid if one simply strives, to the best of their abilities, to love, forgive and believe that Jesus is their Savior. Pretty uncomplicated if you ask me. What exactly do you not like about Jesus and His teachings? I won’t derail the thread. Just curious if what you believe is in fact what Jesus teaches via His Church.
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Though Christian hell is pretty easy to avoid for much of the non-Christian religions since it’s not part of their cosmology. And they too strive to do good to the best of their abilities and live lovingly and rightly, something also core to many non-Christian ways.
 
jerry_joseph said:
Paganism is deception.Paganism is evil. It is a deception.It is different from Animism. When human beings started considering these natural forces as personified Gods and started writing myths and stories about these, Paganism originated. In paganism all natural forces are personified Gods. Apart from that there will be some imaginary Gods , who created these natural forces.In most pagan mythologies , these natural forces are secondary Gods , who servies Pagan Gods. That is the importance of True God is taken away and given to imaginary Gods. That’s why bible considers it as evil. It is an idol (obstacle ) before humanity which stops human beings to search for true God.
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I don’t know if you’re quoting someone or if that’s your own take on paganism, but it’s not correct. Not all pagans are polytheist for one thing. For another “natural forces as personified Gods” is not accurate either. Rather manifestations of their power, what they wield and hold dominion over. Zeus is not lightning, he wields it; Poseidon isn’t the oceans, it’s his realm.

No one god is no more “true” than another. The only distinction is through the believer. What your sacred text asserts as true is as wholly irrelevant to other gods and other religions as their sacred texts would be to you and yours. As for universal truths, if one looks beyond his own biases he’ll find they are universal in that they are found to parallel among various religions. No one religion holds the trademark on divinity or Truth.
 
LivingWaters7 said:
I’m pretty sure that various Pagans in this thread have talked about the specific deities that they worship, whether Celtic, Greek, or Germanic deities. They believe that these deities actually exist, and are worshipped. They don’t worship themselves or their thoughts.

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Exactly. The gods are no less real, divine and part of our lives than the god of any other religion. And specifically in Greek religion, putting one’s will before that of the gods’ is considered hubris and impious.
 
Kallisto said:
Correct. Further it’s hypocrisy to say it’s “idolatry” when pagans have icons and statues, but somehow it’s not “idolatry” when Catholics have icons and statues.
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Where is this comming from? Do you really believe that when we pray and look at a Statue of Jesus we are praying to the Statue or the Statue is truly Jesus? Come on now.

We can have statues of Jesus. We don’t believe the Statues are Jesus or that we receive power or something through them.

So as you can clearly see its not idolatry or false idols for Catholics. Lets get that straight.
 
Kallisto said:
Exactly. The gods are no less real, divine and part of our lives than the god of any other religion. And specifically in Greek religion, putting one’s will before that of the gods’ is considered hubris and impious.
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There is only ONE TRUE GOD. According to the word of God the Father Almighty creator of heaven earth. Any other god is a false god.

I am the Lord your God there shall be no false gods before me.
 
rinnie said:
Where is this comming from? Do you really believe that when we pray and look at a Statue of Jesus we are praying to the Statue or the Statue is truly Jesus? Come on now.

We can have statues of Jesus. We don’t believe the Statues are Jesus or that we receive power or something through them.

So as you can clearly see its not idolatry or false idols for Catholics. Lets get that straight.
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Rinnie, perhaps it would be helpful for you to slow down and carefully read the posts. 🤷

He didn’t say that Catholics pray or worship statues. He was agreeing with a previous poster that Pagans do not pray to or worship statues, and neither do Catholics, and that it’s hypocrisy to say that Pagans pray to statues when, presumably, they are employing statues and icons similarly to the way Catholics do, and neither worships statues.
rinnie said:
There is only ONE TRUE GOD. According to the word of God the Father Almighty creator of heaven earth. Any other god is a false god.

I am the Lord your God there shall be no false gods before me.
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Oh dear. :doh2:

Yes, in your faith. However he’s sharing what he believes.
 
LivingWaters7 said:
Rinnie, perhaps it would be helpful for you to slow down and carefully read the posts. 🤷

He didn’t say that Catholics pray or worship statues. He was agreeing with a previous poster that Pagans do not pray to or worship statues, and neither do Catholics, and that it’s hypocrisy to say that Pagans pray to statues when, presumably, they are employing statues and icons similarly to the way Catholics do, and neither worships statues.

Oh dear. :doh2:

Yes, in your faith. However he’s sharing what he believes.
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I know just felt the need to throw the truth out there.😉
 
rinnie said:
There is only ONE TRUE GOD. According to the word of God the Father Almighty creator of heaven earth. Any other god is a false god.

I am the Lord your God there shall be no false gods before me.
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I respect your right to believe as you do. However, that is what your religion professes. Period. It is unacceptable to tell others their gods are false when they know they are not.

No one religion, or god, supersedes another. Just as you would not accept another as superior or the only true way, nor accept that your god is lesser or non-existent.

If you can’t handle that, then it’s curious as to why you would post in this thread. :confused:
 
rinnie said:
Where is this comming from? Do you really believe that when we pray and look at a Statue of Jesus we are praying to the Statue or the Statue is truly Jesus? Come on now.

We can have statues of Jesus. We don’t believe the Statues are Jesus or that we receive power or something through them.

So as you can clearly see its not idolatry or false idols for Catholics. Lets get that straight.
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Neither do pagans. Let’s get that straight.
 
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