Ask about Islam round 3!

[sedonaman]

This thread doesn’t seemed conserned about actually explaining Islamic beliefs to those who aren’t muslim. My question was never replied to except by Catholics. Muslims it seems do not want a serious discussion of beliefs and practices and rational debate.

Astute observation.

 

[morning_star777]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

25 Prophets are mentioned there by names . I think I posted that earlier . Ok , if u want , InshaAllah do that again.

Thanks.Ya I know 25 prophets are mentioned in Koran but I can not remember all of their name,so if you will do that again it will be helpful…But My real Question was,was any prophet sent to China or India?No.So if God sent prophets to all nations then why God did not send prophet to China and India?Dear Sister can you explain this?You told that God sent prophets to All nation?So please show me some Indian or chinees Prophets .

PS.can you give me some information about Lokman and Khijir?Some says that they are prophets and some says that they are not.So please give me some information about them if possible.Are they prophets according to Islam or not?

 

[morning_star777]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

About all names – Think logically. If all names were there
( thousands & thousands ) , then Quran would have become a list book only .

.

I heard that Allah sent 124000 prophets ,so should I think that perhaps Shri Krishna,Gautam Buddha,Valmiki,veda vayasa,Parashara,Manu etc etc were also the prophets of Islam?If yes then indeed Hindus and buddhists are parts of Abrahamic faith .And What about other Hindu or pagan sages?are they also prophets of Islam?And the Vedic and puranic incarnet gods?Can we consider all of them as the prophets of Islam?You said that God sent prophets to all nations,so if we think that all Hindu sages and demigods are prophets of Islam and hinduism is also abrahamic faith,then will it be wrong ? So even i can consider pagans as a part of Abrahamic faith .(Who knows may be allah sent them(pagan gods and sages as prophets,but they are not mentioned in koran ).

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

… What about other Hindu …And the Vedic and puranic incarnet gods?

God does not come in to earth as human . It’s not possible for any human being to kill or harm our own creator. So , what hindu or other book/ mytholody tells us like this --it’s not from God.

But what Hindus holiest book Veda or other holy books tell us that God is one , God has no parnter etc --these could be from God as it’s correct according to Quran.

Can we consider all of them as the prophets of Islam?

their names are not mentioned in Quran or Hadith ; so it’s better not to say so . They could be Prophets of Islam , could be not . It’s better if we don’t waste our time about this thing God won’t ask us on the Final Day. God sent His Last Prophet for all . Let’s listen to him & obey our Creator.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

… My question was never replied to except by Catholics. .

Some Catholics love to explain Islam to others including Muslims lol.

If anyone asks questions sincerely without bashing Islam & the Last Prophet (pbuh) , I try hard to ans. If anyone asks questions like this why Muslims are rock worshippers or why Muhammed (p) was a …write some offensive words & then ask questions…I don’t have patience for them. Also , Muslims participants are very few here . U must understand that it’s hard for us to read & reply hundreds questions on Islam in the forum.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

… I know 25 prophets are mentioned in Koran but I can not remember all of their name,

What prophets are named in the Qur’an?:

There are 25 prophets mentioned by name in the Qur’an, although Muslims believe that there were many more in different times and places. Among the prophets that Muslims honor are:

Adam
Idris (Enoch)
Nuh (Noah)
Hud
Saleh
Ibrahim (Abraham)
Isma’il (Ishmael)
Ishaq (Isaac)
Lut (Lot)
Ya’qub (Jacob)
Yousef (Joseph)
Shu’aib
Ayyub (Job)
Musa (Moses)
Harun (Aaron)
Dhu’l-kifl (Ezekiel)
Dawud (David)
Sulaiman (Solomon)
Ilias (Elias)
Al-Yasa (Elisha)
Yunus (Jonah)
Zakariyya (Zechariah)
Yahya (John)
'Isa (Jesus)
Muhammad ( peace be upon them all )

How do Muslims honor the prophets?:

Muslims read about, learn from, and respect all of the prophets. In addition, when mentioning the name of any one of them, a Muslim adds these words of blessing and respect: “upon him be peace” (alayhi salaam in Arabic).

islam.about.com/od/prophets/p/prophets.htm

 

[Reuben_J]

How do Muslims honor the prophets?:

Muslims read about, learn from, and respect all of the prophets. In addition, when mentioning the name of any one of them, a Muslim adds these words of blessing and respect: “upon him be peace” (alayhi salaam in Arabic).

Good.

Only I hope you believe everything about them and not only the ones you want to believe.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

InshaAllah will submit posts on Islamic prayer , basics of Islam etc. Hope Catholics won’t start explaining Islamic teaching to non-Muslims here. Pl. allow Muslims to write about their
belief , thanks

The Adhan (The Call to Prayer)

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The minaret of a mosque used to be the place from which the muezzin would call out for prayers

The adhan is the call given to announce that it is time for a particular obligatory Salah (ritual Prayer).

Five times a day the adhan is raised from mosques throughout the world. It is a Sunnah (optional duty) that brings its own reward from Allah (God).

The person who gives the adhan is called a muadhdhin. (The English word “muezzin” is a mispronunciation of the Arabic term.)

The adhan begins with an affirmation of the supremacy of Allah (God). Then comes the shahadah (profession of faith), which consists of the profession of the Unity of Allah (God), the negation of shirk (polytheism), and the confirmation that Muhammad (peace and blessings be on him) is the Messenger of Allah (God). And after that, comes the call to the Prayer and to success — our eternal home in Paradise — which also implies our return to the Creator. Each line is repeated for emphasis.

The words of the adhan are as follows:

Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar.

Allah is the Greatest, Allah is the Greatest.

Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar.

Allah is the Greatest, Allah is the Greatest.

Ash-hadu alla ilaha illa-llah.

**
I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship but Allah.**

Ash-hadu alla ilaha illa-llah.

I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship but Allah.

Ash-hadu anna Muhammadar-Rasulullah.
**
I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah**

Ash-hadu anna Muhammadar-Rasulullah.

I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah

Hayya ‘ala-s-Salah, hayya ‘ala-s-Salah.
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Hasten to the Prayer, hasten to the Prayer.
**
Hayya ‘ala-l-falah, hayya ‘ala-l-falah.
**
Hasten to real success, hasten to real success**

Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar.

Allah is the Greatest,Allah is the Greatest.

La ilaha illa-llah

There is none worthy of worship but Allah.

In the adhan for the Subh (Dawn) Prayer (also commonly called the Fajr Prayer), the following words are added after Hayya ‘ala-l-falah:

As-Salatu khairun min an-naum, As-Salatu khairun min an-naum.
**
Prayer is better than sleep, Prayer is better than sleep.**

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[sambos671]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Some Catholics love to explain Islam to others including Muslims lol.

If anyone asks questions sincerely without bashing Islam & the Last Prophet (pbuh) , I try hard to ans. If anyone asks questions like this why Muslims are rock worshippers or why Muhammed (p) was a …write some offensive words & then ask questions…I don’t have patience for them. Also , Muslims participants are very few here . U must understand that it’s hard for us to read & reply hundreds questions on Islam in the forum.

I was not attempting to bash Islam. I would like to have a sincere discussion on the aligation and evidence. I’ve lived in Islamic countries and so I will admit up front that I’m not friendly with the religion but am open to see what you may have to say.

 

[sedonaman]

I’ve lived in Islamic countries and so I will admit up front that I’m not friendly with the religion but am open to see what you may have to say.

Since you have lived in Islamic countries, you must have some knowledge on how they reason; therefore, I would like your opinion on what Warren says about what he calls Islamic dualistic logic and dualistic ethics.

 

[morning_star777]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

**But what Hindus holiest book Veda or other holy books tell us that God is one **, God has no parnter etc --these could be from God as it’s correct according to Quran.

Although Hindu clerics claim that Veda’s tell us about one God but I am sorry to say,they(clerics) just contradict peoples by saying that.If you read the main part of Veda,you will find the 33 Supreme deities are mentioned in Vedas,specially in the ancient Rig Veda.If you will study Hindu scriptures deeply then you will see that ancient scripture are full of Many Gods and Later the Vedantas(Upanishad) told about one God Param brahmn,and Gita told about one God in different forms.But people will not understand philosophy but they will understand rituals and tradition.So if vedas philosophically say that God has no partner then everybody will not understand the philosophy.Puranic gods are the chief god of present days Hinduism and actually Hinduism is post vedic religion.So please read the main part of Vedas(Mantra or Samhita).this monotheism of Vedas are only for philosophers and scholars,not for others.

PS.In Rig Veda,there are some hymns sacred to BAAK.perhaps this BAAK is a sign of one God,but it is not clear.And the 10th Mandala contain few hymns about a Param purush.But rest of hymns are sacred to verious chief Gods.Specially for Indra and Agni.but you saw that Indra became slave types god(king of demigods) in Puranic era.So i think it will be better if we will not take vedic or other hindu scriptures as references of Abrahamic monotheism.**So it is clear that God did not send any prophets to other nations,**So also not to Arabs

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

CONCEPT OF GOD IN MAJOR RELIGIONS

by Dr. Zakir Naik

Hinduism is the most popular of all the Aryan religions. And if you ask a common Hindu, that… How many gods does he believe in?

Some may say 3, some may say 33, some may say a 1000, while the others may say, 33 crores, 330 million. But if you ask, a Hindu learned man, who knows his Religious Scriptures, he will tell you that a Hindu should actually believe, only in God.

The major difference between the common Hindu and the Muslim is that, the common Hindu believes in a Philosophy known as ‘Pantheism’ - that is, everything is god. The tree is god, the sun is god, the moon is god, the snake is god, the monkey is god, the human beings are god.

The Muslim believes that everything is God’s - GOD with an Apostofy ‘S’, everything belongs to God. The tree belongs to God, the sun belongs to God, the moon belongs to God, the snake belongs to God, the monkey belongs to God, the human beings belong to God.

So the major difference between the common Hindu and the Muslim, is the Apostofy ‘S’.

The Hindus say, everything is God, and we Muslims say everything is God’s - God with a Apostofy ‘S’. If we can solve this difference of Apostofy ‘S’, the Hindus and the Muslims will be united. How do you do it? As the Qur’an says… …… ‘That come to common terms as between us and you’. Which is the first term? …‘that we worship none but Allah’, … ‘that we associate no partners with Him’.

So let us analyze the concept of God in Hinduisum, by analyzing their Religious Scriptures. The most popular amongst all the Hindu Religious Scriptures, is the ‘Bhagwat Geeta’.

This is a copy of Bhagwat Geeta - In the IRF we have Alhamdulillah, more than 30 different translations only of Bhagwat Geeta. The Bhagwat Geeta says in Ch. No. 7, V. No.20 ‘That those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires, they worship the demi gods’ -

That means the materialistic people, they worship demi gods - That means not the true Almighty God.

The Upanishads are the other Sacred Scriptures of the Hindus. It is mentioned in the Chandogya Upanishad, Ch.No. 6, Section No. 2, Verse No.1. ‘God is one only… ‘Akam Avidetuim’… not a second’ That means - There is only God, He doesn’t have any partner, He is alone. Same as the Holy Qur’an which is mentioned in Surah Ikhlas, Ch. No. 112, V. No.1, (Arabic)… ‘Say He is Allah, one and only’.

It is mentioned in the Sweta Sutara Upanishad, Ch. No. 6, Verse No.9, ‘Na Kasia Kasji Janita Nakadipa’, which means….‘Of Him there is no parents, nor Lord’ He has got no parents, He has got no masters - That means, He alone is sufficient, He is not dependent on anyone else.

As the Holy Qur’an says in Surah Ikhlas, Ch. No.112, V. No.3, (Arabic)…‘He begets not nor is He begotten’ The quotation I gave from ‘Upanishads’, was translated by S. Radha Krishnan, and we have other translations also in our foundation. Further, if you read in the Sweta Sutara Upanishads, Ch. No. 4, V. No. 19, it says …‘Natastiya Pratima Asti’ ‘There is no likeness of Him’.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Dr. Zakir Naik: …
there is not a single uneqvivocable statement in the complete Bible, where Jesus (peace be upon him) himself says that… ‘I am God’ or, where he says… ‘Worship me’.

Infact if you read the Bible it is
mentioned in the Gospel of John, Ch.No. 14, V.No.28, Jesus (peace be upon him) said – ‘My Father is greater than I’ In the Gospel of John, Ch. No.10, V.No. 29 ‘My father is greater than all’.

In the Gospel of Mathew Ch.No.12 V.No.28 “I cast out devil with Sprit of God’. Gospel of Luke, Ch. No. 11 V.No.20 “I with the finger of God, cast out devils’. Gospel of John, Ch.No.5 V.No.30 ‘I can of my own self do nothing - as I hear I judge, and my judgement is just, because I seek not my will, but the will of thy Father, who has sent me’. He never claimed Divinity. Infact he came to testify the pervious law

irf.net/irf/drzakirnaik/index.htm

 

[sambos671]

Since you have lived in Islamic countries, you must have some knowledge on how they reason; therefore, I would like your opinion on what Warren says about what he calls Islamic dualistic logic and dualistic ethics.

Well, I think what he says with regard to how Muslims reason is correct. In fact, most of my conversations went this direction and interestingly enough muslims love mathmatical analysis. On the other hand I’m not sure if what he says about how the west aproaches two contradictory statements. Western thought necissarily evolved from Greek philosophic thought which encorprates a consept of “not enough data”. So this statement of his on western thought is not quite correct:

All of Western logic is based upon the law of contradiction—if two things contradict, then at least one of them is false. But Islamic logic is dualistic; two things can contradict each other and both are true. No dualistic system may be measured by one answer. This is the reason that the arguments about what constitutes the “real” Islam go on and on and are never resolved. A single right answer does not exist.
Dualistic systems can only be measured by statistics

However, as for myself having worked in statistics I know that stats can be made to say anything. It depends on how the data is arranged.

Also it has nothing to do with my question.

The Islamic countries I lived in are Senegal and Burkino Faso. I also spent time in Mombassa where there is a large Islamic population. Just for a point of referrence for you.

 

[sedonaman]

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In the Gospel of John, Ch. No.10, V.No. 29 ‘My father is greater than all’.
**

The correct John 10:29 is, “That which my Father hath given me is greater than all: and no one can snatch them [my followers] out of the hand of my Father.”

“That which my Father hath given me…”
By the words “That which” He is referring to his followers [He calls them sheep in these passages].
newadvent.org/bible/joh010.htm

And if you had bothered to read the very next verse:

30 I and the Father are one.

“I and the Father are one.” … That is, one divine nature, but two distinct persons.

“person” defined here newadvent.org/cathen/11726a.htm

It’s amazing that Muslims readily understand that Allah can do anything, but have trouble understanding the idea that God is able to manifest Himself in more ways than one. It all gets back to the fact that accepting this would mean the collapse of Islam.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

What Is Islam About?

ans is given by our revert bro
Daud Matthews

…The word “Islam” comes from the root form of the word meaning peace and submission. Islam means the voluntary surrender to the commands of God. One who voluntarily submits his or her will to the commands of God is a Muslim. A sincere and true Muslim is blessed by God. The Qur’an says what means:

{… this day I have perfected your religion for you and completed My favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your way of life…} (Al-Ma’idah 5: 3)

Islam is a total way of life. It covers everything from sleeping to waking, lying down to sitting and standing, as well as eating and drinking and sex. Every action performed by a Muslim, one who follows Islam, should be an act of worship of God

…There are five basic fundamentals or pillars of Islam:
a) The testimony of faith, the Shahadah
b) Prayer, the five times daily, called salah
c) Fasting the month of Ramadan, called sawm
d) Obligatory purification of wealth, zakah (almsgiving)
e) Pilgrimage to Makkah, Hajj, once in a lifetime if one is able

Allah says what means:
{Righteousness is not that you turn your faces to the East and West [in Prayer] but righteousness is [the quality] of the one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the Angels, the Books and the Prophets.} (Al-Baqarah 2: 177)

{Certainly, We have created all things with Qadar [Divine Decree], and Our Commandment is but one, as the twinkling of an eye.} (Al-Qamar 54: 49)

There are also six articles of faith:

1. Belief in Allah
2. Belief in His angels
3. Belief in His prophets
4. Belief in His revealed Books
5. Belief in the divine decree
6. Belief in the Day of Judgment

All acts of the religion depend on how well we maintain these pillars of Islam. Muslims believe in the Day of Judgment as a Day of Accounting, when all our deeds or actions are accountable to Allah. It is not our deeds that will take us to Paradise, but the mercy of Allah.

Useful Links:
Introducing Islam
Unique Features of Islam
Why is Islam Unique?
What is Islam?

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[sambos671]

I answered your question. What about mine?

 

[morning_star777]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

So the major difference between the common Hindu and the Muslim, is the Apostofy ‘S’.

Dear sister,the apostrophe is really a very big difference because it changes the whole doctrine.Upanishad also says that Everything Is brahmn,so Me and you are also Brahmn.A tree is Brahmn,even a tea pot is Brahmn and also tea(indeed tea and tea-pot are not mentioned but I am talking about the theory).And this concept called Advayta philosophy.Please read the Vedantic philosophy by Shankaracharja,and if it is not enough then please read also the Vaishnava vedantic philosophy by Ramanuj.But Shankar is better I think.BTW,I think you know that Vedic literature has 4 part,Mantra,Brahman,Arraynnak and Upanishad.but the main parts of Vedas are mantra,and Upanishad came later.So If mantra is original,then Vedantas have also lots of contradiction with Mantra.but whatever,upanishad also taught about the Advayta philosophy and that has a great difference than Abrahamic faith.

PS.With due respect(to you)I want to say that, the Literature of Shankaracharya and ramanuj about upanishads are much better than the theory and explanation of Jakir nayek.So if you want to realize the vedantic philosophy then you will have to read the two writers instead of Jakir Nayek.

 

[sedonaman]

What Is Islam About?

ans is given by our revert bro
Daud Matthews

…The word “Islam” comes from the root form of the word meaning peace and submission. Islam means the voluntary surrender to the commands of God. One who voluntarily submits his or her will to the commands of God is a Muslim. A sincere and true Muslim is blessed by God. The Qur’an says what means:

{… this day I have perfected your religion for you and completed My favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your way of life…} (Al-Ma’idah 5: 3)

Islam is a total way of life. It covers everything from sleeping to waking, lying down to sitting and standing, as well as eating and drinking and sex. Every action performed by a Muslim, one who follows Islam, should be an act of worship of God…

You forgot the part you mentioned in another post:

"no [sic] like is like God. We are His creations, slaves.

To which I responded:

There is a lot in Muslim Woman’s statement about being Allah’s slaves. It shows that the Muslim belief of their relation to Allah is not the same as the Christian belief in their relation to God. Christians believe we are all God’s children; children are not slaves but heirs. “Father” is the title that Jesus used a number of times to describe this relationship between God and man [e.g., the parable of the prodigal son].

On the other hand, “father” is not one of the 99 Islamic names for Allah, and that’s why MW says that Muslims are all slaves to Allah. More differences could not exist than those between a slave and an heir.

Now which would a sane person rather be, a slave or an heir?

You also said in the same post:

God created Jesus (p) without earthy father .

Why? According to Islam, why was Jesus given a miraculous birth and the other “prophets” were not? As far as “prophets” go, what was so special about Jesus?

 

[sedonaman]

What Is Islam About?
…

Islam is a total way of life. It covers everything from sleeping to waking, lying down to sitting and standing, as well as eating and drinking and sex. Every action performed by a Muslim, one who follows Islam, should be an act of worship of God.

I’m bookmarking this one for future reference.