Ask about Islam round 3!

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Hadyah - Malaysia

How to Purify One’s Self for Prayer

Name of Mufti : Abdel Khaliq Hasan Ash-Shareef

…Before performing Prayer you should be purified from both major and minor impurities. It was far better if you identified what kind of purification you are asking about. We can briefly give you the following tips:

1. In case of major ritual impurity (janabah), menses or post-natal bleeding (nifas), you have to perform ghusl (ritual cleansing of the body).
2. If you answered the call of nature , you need to wash the private parts with water. If you passed wind, there will be no need to cleanse with water. Then you need to perform wudu’ which includes obligatory and sunnah acts that are elaborated in the books of Fiqh.

May Allah reward you and accept your Prayer

Allah Almighty knows best.

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1229319137199&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Read this site - he is ex-Muslim …

If I post anything from Answering Christianity , will u read & believe ?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

What about br . Yusuf Estet & Gary Miller?

Bible Compared to Quran

islamtomorrow.com/articles/Bible_vs_Quran.asp

 

[Benjamin8o8]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

What about br . Yusuf Estet & Gary Miller?

Bible Compared to Quran

islamtomorrow.com/articles/Bible_vs_Quran.asp

did you know the Bible came before the Koran?

Which means, it had already history recorded about Moses, Abraham, and other Prophets before the Koran?

So logic is: if the Bible came before the Koran it is more reliable, because it then proves that the Koran is more or less an imitation of the Holy Bible.

 

[sedonaman]

The bible has been tampered with by man, which is why Allah sent the Qur’an. Which has been preserved over the years.

“So who is responsible for the Christian belief that Jesus died on the cross? If Islam is correct, Allah started this idea when he decided to trick Jesus’ enemies into thinking that they had killed Jesus. This leads to even more problems. If the deception of the disciples was unintentional, then we must conclude that Allah didn’t realize that he was about to start the largest false religion in the world. If it was intentional, then Allah is in the business of starting false religions. Therefore, the god of Islam is either dreadfully ignorant or maliciously deceptive.”

Remember, Muslims claim that the Bible had become corrupted by man between the time of Jesus and Muhammad and that the message Allah gave Muhammad was the “correct” one. Therefore, we can conclude that Jesus, a great Islamic prophet, was preaching the true Islam … and He did it from birth!

Wood continues:

“Muhammad’s position also means that Jesus was the greatest failure in the history of the prophets. He spent 33 years preaching (again, he began preaching Islamic theology at birth), yet shortly after his death, the children of Israel were divided into two broad camps. Those who believed his message became Christians, all of whom were guilty of the worst sin imaginable (shirk[15]), while those who rejected his message were guilty of rejecting one of Allah’s greatest messengers. Thus, whether people believed in Jesus or rejected him, everyone would ultimately be condemned and cast into the hellfire. It’s strange, then, that Muslims consider Jesus to be one of the greatest prophets ever.

“…If Islam is true, Allah deceives people who believe the prophets he sends. If Islam is true, Allah spreads false teachings until they become dominant in the world. If Islam is true, Jesus, the Messiah, was completely incompetent and should never have been sent by Allah, since Jesus’ life ended up leading more people astray than any other life in history. Because the Muslim view is at odds with any traditional understanding of God’s nature (including the Islamic understanding), Islam is an incoherent religious system, which should be rejected by all rational people. Islam has a poor and contemptible explanation for the origin of Christianity.

Deceptive God, Incompetent Messiah: What Islam Really Teaches About Allah and Jesus
By David Wood
answering-islam.org/Authors/Wood/deceptive_god.htm

[15] To associate partners with God is to commit the sin of shirk.

Parts of the original Qur’an still exist in Egypt. Where is the original bible?

Ever hear of the Dead Sea Scrolls?

 

[Jay53]

Bump

So, in other words, there is no significance to the virgin birth of Jesus? It is viewed as just another type of miracle allowed by God to a prophet?

Then what is the Islamic rationalization/explanation for the disparity between the life and message of Jesus vs. the life and message of Muhammad?

In other words, if you take away the identity of the prophet and just present the message and example of his life, which one would be obviously from God and which one not.

For example:

Anonymous Prophet 1:

Born of a virgin, prophesied about in the OT, lived a chaste life, sinless (objectively when compared to the Ten Commandments), free from mistakes (i.e. not reprimanded by God for any wrong-doing), healed the sick, raised the dead, message is of peace, no messages of violence/killing

“But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,” Matthew 5:44

vs.

Anonymous Prophet 2:

Not born of a virgin, not prophesied about in the OT, had multiple wives and ‘right-hand possessions’, encouraged lying, encouraged murder, made “mistakes” where he was ‘reprimanded by God’, message is mixed, some peace/some violence:

“But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah. for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).”
( سورة الأنفال , Al-Anfal, Chapter #8, Verse #61) and

Quote:
"Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”
( سورة الأنفال , Al-Anfal, Chapter #8, Verse #12)

Quote:
Qur’an 2:191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers

Quote:
Qur’an 4:089: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Without knowing the identity of the above prophets, which would you honestly say is conveying the message of God? Or is this comparison only glaringly obvious to me?

 

[planten]

**But you admit that bibleNT is not the word of God. So you want to bring Quran at Paar with your man made bible.

You are mistaken. Muhammad was not any scholar of languages. According to you he must have been a great scholar.

But what need he had not to claim his good work? If he created teh Quran (in Arabic) why did he not even once claim that he had made it?

You whole thinking is false, based on fals eground. Next you will say that BibleOT was also man made. Your approach is closer to the atheistic views.**

 

[CatholicRevert1]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

If I post anything from Answering Christianity , will u read & believe ?

**I have read some of those sites. Muslims have to hate the Bible and have to try in vain to prove the Bible is false - nobody has yet proved it is “corrupted” - why do you think that is? Probably because it isn’t!

Why do you suppose God changed his mind about the world and how we should behave? Why did he condemn sins and then when mohammed decided to form a religion suddenly he wrote the quran and made all the disgusting sins he wanted to indulge in acceptable (adultery, child molestation, murder…)?. Do you see why allah is not God (he is made up by mohammed)? Do you not wonder why it is that when a muslim leaves islam they build websites warning other muslims that it is a false religion. Why do people who leave other religions not do the same? Yup, it is because they know it is true but for some reason are lead astray! **

 

[sedonaman]

Then what is the Islamic rationalization/explanation for the disparity between the life and message of Jesus vs. the life and message of Muhammad?

It’s because “the Bible had been corrupted by man,” according to the Muslims posters here.

If we are to accept that claim and since [again, according to Muslims] Jesus is a mighty prophet of Allah, we must therefore conclude that Jesus’ real message was the same as Mohammad’s, i.e.:

"Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”

and,

“And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.”

and,

“They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.”

Which got corrupted to:

“But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.”

All this is more evidence that what Wood said is true, “Because the Muslim view is at odds with any traditional understanding of God’s nature (including the Islamic understanding), Islam is an incoherent religious system, which should be rejected by all rational people.”

 

[planten]

I have read some of those sites. Muslims have to hate the Bible and have to try in vain to prove the Bible is false - nobody has yet proved it is “corrupted” - why do you think that is? Probably because it isn’t!

We do not hate bible or disagree with it. We agree that Jesus was given the bible (Injeel). You people deny that Jesus was given anything. So what can we do?

Why do you suppose God changed his mind about the world and how we should behave?

Please you ask this question from your own men who parted ways with the Old testament and started something new (religion). Was that a change of mind of your God?

Why did he condemn sins and then when mohammed decided to form a religion suddenly he wrote the quran and made all the disgusting sins he wanted to indulge in acceptable (adultery, child molestation, murder…)?. Do you see why allah is not God (he is made up by mohammed)?

** I do not know from where you have reverted. You have slipped up some where because of wrong ideas**.

Do you not wonder why it is that when a muslim leaves islam they build websites warning other muslims that it is a false religion. Why do people who leave other religions not do the same? Yup, it is because they know it is true but for some reason are lead astray!

It is because they are honest and sensible people who come to Islam. They do not abuse any one, specially their old friends. Those who leave islam have some faulty mind.

 

[Reuben_J]

** But you admit that bibleNT is not the word of God. So you want to bring Quran at Paar with your man made bible. **

???

** You are mistaken. Muhammad was not any scholar of languages. According to you he must have been a great scholar. **

Obviously he was not. Of the many disagreements we have, you are assured this is where we do agree. For now I just stop here; you may not like to hear what I have to say about Mohammad.

** But what need he had not to claim his good work? If he created teh Quran (in Arabic) why did he not even once claim that he had made it? **

Actually Mohammad never approved the present day Quran. He did not hear it being recited to him because he was dead then from a suspicous illness. So, from where do you get what’s inside the Quran? - Compilation of Zaid Ibn Thabist which was actually his version. There were other sahaba of Mohammad who were killed in the battle who might have other verses and other versions.

Caliph Uthman however only wanted to use Zaid’s version of the Quran because it was in Mohammad’s dialect. The other versions that were being used by Muslims in other provinces which were of other dialects were burnt and destroyed. There is no credibility actually on the book of Quran, come to think of it. However, I am not asking you not to believe in it but certainly it is not what you boast it to be!

** You whole thinking is false, based on fals eground. Next you will say that BibleOT was also man made. Your approach is closer to the atheistic views. **

???

 

[Reuben_J]

ItThose who leave islam have some faulty mind.

Or they decide they have enough of the nonsense and the untruth of its founder?

 

[sedonaman]

Or they decide they have enough of the nonsense and the untruth of its founder?

Yes, it is nonsense because it makes non sense.

 

[Jay53]

It’s because “the Bible had been corrupted by man,” according to the Muslims posters here.

If we are to accept that claim and since [again, according to Muslims] Jesus is a mighty prophet of Allah, we must therefore conclude that Jesus’ real message was the same as Mohammad’s, i.e.:

"Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”

and,

“And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.”

and,

“They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.”

Which got corrupted to:

“But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.”

All this is more evidence that what Wood said is true, “Because the Muslim view is at odds with any traditional understanding of God’s nature (including the Islamic understanding), Islam is an incoherent religious system, which should be rejected by all rational people.”

Then, according to Muslims and Islam, God’s overall message is one of “kill the unbeliever” instead of “love your enemy”? Does that even objectively make sense? Maybe if that’s the relationship and view they have of God, it does.

BTW, very interesting link!

 

[CatholicRevert1]

We do not hate bible or disagree with it. We agree that Jesus was given the bible (Injeel). You people deny that Jesus was given anything. So what can we do?

**???
**
Please you ask this question from your own men who parted ways with the Old testament and started something new (religion). Was that a change of mind of your God?

They did not start a new religion. Perhaps read a Bible without hate in your heart and it will make sense to you otherwise you shouldn’t bother if you are just trying to prove it is corrupted.
**
** I do not know from where you have reverted. You have slipped up some where because of wrong ideas.

**I do not have “wrong ideas”. I was Anglican and am reverting to Catholicism which is the One True Church.
**
It is because they are honest and sensible people who come to Islam. They do not abuse any one, specially their old friends. Those who leave islam have some faulty mind.

Why then do apostates get death threats? I am talking about people who leave when they start to question their religion. It is more lonely people or angry people who have been lied to and are searching for something they never find in life who convert. Doesn’t it bother you that you are not allowed to question it? That alone would make me want to. Watch this video on why I would never follow mohammed youtube.com/watch?v=8j7JKU5yL0g&feature=channel_page

Most converts are women who frankly will do anything for love sadly! Why do you think 75% of converts abandon it within 3 years? youtube.com/watch?v=v8EC8-aVlrE&feature=channel_page That is a statement from your own people! They are even trying to find ways “to stop them leaving” so much for no compulsion in religion.

 

[sedonaman]

Then, according to Muslims and Islam, God’s overall message is one of “kill the unbeliever” instead of “love your enemy”? Does that even objectively make sense?

No. According to Muslims and Islam, Allah’s overall message is one of “kill the unbeliever” instead of “love your enemy”. It makes sense when you word it that way.

 

[planten]

It’s because “the Bible had been corrupted by man,” according to the Muslims posters here.

If we are to accept that claim and since [again, according to Muslims] Jesus is a mighty prophet of Allah, we must therefore conclude that Jesus’ real message was the same as Mohammad’s, i.e.:

“Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”

and,

and,

“They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.”

** sedonaman, I will correct only a small part of your Quranic translation. Please note that the word non-believers (shown above in RED) is not the correct description of the infidels. If you have any approach to Arabic Quran then please note that the word Kafir is not a simple disbeliever. You are a non-believer in Muhammad. If you are peaceful then you are not a Kafir.

Any one and every one who has not uttered the Kalima is not a Kafir. Only those to whom the message of Islam is presented peacefully and given enough time to understand it, if they (or He) tries to not believe and tries to fight the Muslims and Islam and wages war against Islam and does not let others believe, he is a Kafir, described in the verses in a lose manner as a disbeliever.
He is not a simple disbeliever but a fanatic hostile disbeliever in Islam.

he deserves to be killed because he is already on war path against Islam. What problem do you have against the enemies. We do not believe in your false theory of “Love thy enemy”. We can be kind to the enemy depending on the situation if kindness will help him to improve his ways.

If our kindness will spoil him more then we will not be kind with him. This our teaching is different to the teaching of the church “Love thy enemy”… Nobody can always do that and it is not fair to love all the enemies all the time.**

 

[Muslimah727]

Alhamdulilah , this was well written.

We do not hate bible or disagree with it. We agree that Jesus was given the bible (Injeel). You people deny that Jesus was given anything. So what can we do?

Please you ask this question from your own men who parted ways with the Old testament and started something new (religion). Was that a change of mind of your God?

** I do not know from where you have reverted. You have slipped up some where because of wrong ideas**.

It is because they are honest and sensible people who come to Islam. They do not abuse any one, specially their old friends. Those who leave islam have some faulty mind.

 

[Muslimah727]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
It’s does’nt make sense because Allah has not made it easy for you to understand. He has placed a seal over you.
I don’t understand how something so simple doesn’t make sense but you completely understand one man being 3 different people.

Yes, it is nonsense because it makes non sense.

 

[planten]

Why then do apostates get death threats? I am talking about people who leave when they start to question their religion. It is more lonely people or angry people who have been lied to and are searching for something they never find in life who convert. Doesn’t it bother you that you are not allowed to question it? That alone would make me want to. Watch this video on why I would never follow mohammed youtube.com/watch?v=8j7JKU5yL0g&feature=channel_page

**We believe in Jesus and his wise words. There was an example of some one who came to the right faith and started looking for comfortable and cool places. When he did not find much joy in the right religion, he thought he would go back to his old faith.

jesus told that story to his disciples that he will return to his old bad place and may take seven other bad souls with him…

I may ask you why the christians are gambling and drinking so much. And open sex. Is it according to their religion. Surely not. Similarly, the Muslims are misbehaving. I am not responsible for that.**

Most converts are women who frankly will do anything for love sadly! Why do you think 75% of converts abandon it within 3 years? youtube.com/watch?v=v8EC8-aVlrE&feature=channel_page That is a statement from your own people! They are even trying to find ways “to stop them leaving” so much for no compulsion in religion.

** Islam only teaches that there is no compulsion in any religion. The Muslims are violating that law. They will suffer. You leave them alone and look to your own problems please. I have described most o fthings in my above para. Forgive me.**