Ask about Islam round 3!

[Nicolas]

Do you ever post anything even remotely related to what is being discussed, Muslim Woman? We all know the Islamic view of God, at least as much as any of your video can tell us, and the Bridges Foundation is an Islamic propaganda organization that parades around Yvonne Ridley and other Western converts in an attempt to lure weak and/or clueless westerners to Islam by protraying it as essentially compatible with the style of life they enjoy in their home countries.

I stopped searching for anything useful at that site when their section on “Life in Egypt” did not mention the Copts at all! Of course, why would they do that? The historical and current extreme maltreatment of the Copts at the hands of the Muslim authorities at both the local and national level does not make Islam seem so peaceful.

I am so sick of this propaganda. Post something of substance and relevance, please.

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[R_not]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Is Allah a Special God for Muslims?

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A rendition of the Arabic word “Allah” in calligraphy. Muslims worship Allah, the One True God.

There is often confusion among non-Arabic speakers that “Allah” is a special god for Muslims. However, Muslims believe that there is no deity worth of worshiping accept the One True God.

Arab Christians and Jews worship Allah as well. So where does this confusion stem from? Who is Allah?

To know the answer to these questions, watch this short video.

This short video is part of The Fog Is Lifting: Islam in Brief, an educational, enlightening, and entertaining documentary on Islamic culture, produced by Bridges Foundation.

We don’t need to watch a muslim propaganda film on who is God. And it ain’t allah. allah is whatever mohammed made it out to be at the moment. If mohammed wanted another woman - he said ‘allah said it was ok’, if he wanted some more loot - he said ‘allah told him to go rape and pillage’.

It is your pipe dream that allah is the God of Israel.

allah was hateful, deceptive, vengeful, greedy, lusty, … hey! I am describing mohammed!! gee, they both sound very similar.

If allah was so great it would have let you use the brain that you have between your ears. Instead it controls even your potty behavior. And there is no guarantee you will get to heaven - to watch the men have at it with 72 virgins and all the little boys they want. That is because you are predestined in islam. muslims go worship and cavort around a black rock hoping for it to speak for them at Judgement Day. Well - if you are already predetermined to heaven or hell - why bother?

Oh by the way - that black rock - muslims think it has consciousness. hypocracies in islam

 

[planten]

That is because mohammed was a liar, and I never called mohammed satan - but I have indeed suggested that his angel was Lucifer - the Prince of Lies - of which mohammed told quite often and told his followers to do when they needed to do so. And I have also suggested that mohammed had mental problems which caused him to be such a terrible man who couldn’t control his lusts, greed, quest for blood, etc.

I need not reply to any of your things because you did not touch any of the points that I had written. It was because you had no real argument with you. Would you like that I call jesus a liar and his mother too??

The mental problems, I won’t go into here - but they are documented in the book, ‘Understanding muhammed, A Psychobiography’, and this takes the hadits and koran and shows the author why he came up with his thesis.

And as for mohammed lying, once again that is in your own texts

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That is Hadith which is better than your bibleNT. More reliable than bibleNT. Yet we do not like it as you are sunk deep in the your false book bible. Do not run to any Hadith. It won’t help. That is not our book from God, as bible is not your book from God.

even one of his followers called mohammed a liar

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Never mind that. Think of a stuanch followers of Jesus, whom Jesus had promised each one a throne in heavens, he betrayed Jesus and sold Jesus to the enemies for thirty dirty coins. Do you remember him? That was a follower who cheated Jesus. Please remember him in your prayers.His name was Judas…

You don’t even know your own islamic texts.

That is not the top Islamic text, that bundle of your Hadith. WE have the Quran. You have nothing.

There are many good excellent things in the Hadith, thousand times better than what you have in your bible. There is much more volume in the Hadith. There are six voluminious books of Hadith, much greater than your smallish bible. Look for the good things in the Hadith.

 

[R_not]

I need not reply to any of your things because you did not touch any of the points that I had written. It was because you had no real argument with you. Would you like that I call jesus a liar and his mother too??

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That is Hadith which is better than your bibleNT. More reliable than bibleNT. Yet we do not like it as you are sunk deep in the your false book bible. Do not run to any Hadith. It won’t help. That is not our book from God, as bible is not your book from God.

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Never mind that. Think of a stuanch followers of Jesus, whom Jesus had promised each one a throne in heavens, he betrayed Jesus and sold Jesus to the enemies for thirty dirty coins. Do you remember him? That was a follower who cheated Jesus. Please remember him in your prayers.His name was Judas…

That is not the top Islamic text, that bundle of your Hadith. WE have the Quran. You have nothing.

There are many good excellent things in the Hadith, thousand times better than what you have in your bible. There is much more volume in the Hadith. There are six voluminious books of Hadith, much greater than your smallish bible. Look for the good things in the Hadith.

Your texts are based on the assertions of an illiterate pagan.

You have not proven the Bible was corrupted.

By calling Jesus a liar just because mohammed was one - doesn’t make sense.

Your texts say time and again, outright, that he lied and told his followers to do the same.

YOu get irritated over that - as you should.

You are just irritated that we show others what mohammed said and did. I don’t know why - your own texts have it all there for anyone to read.

If you like your hadith that tell us mohammed was a liar - then that is fine. It is your choice. I don’t know how you can trust a liar though. The koran and hadiths show that mohammed just got his way in about anything he wanted - are you sure he wasn’t lying to his followers to get it?

 

[Eucharisted]

I can understand spreading the truth, but please do it charitable. And please pray for Muslims the world over. Truth in charity and charity in truth - prayer with work and work with prayer.

 

[R_not]

I can understand spreading the truth, but please do it charitable. And please pray for Muslims the world over. Truth in charity and charity in truth - prayer with work and work with prayer.

Eucharisted, how else do you say that a guy was a lecher, rapist, killer, torturer, etc to name a few of the atrocious deeds that he did?

The problem is not on how we say it, the problem is that in the muslim world for 1400 years if anyone did say it - they were killed. And the muslims are not used to the fact that we do know their texts, and many of them do not.

I quote their own hadiths and look how planten behaves himself. He just goes off on a rambling tangent.

He needs to read his own texts if he has such a problem with his prophet and then decide if that is they type of guy he wants to follow.

He always does that - when he doesn’t like the message he always bashes Jesus. It is his style.

 

[Eucharisted]

Eucharisted, how else do you say that a guy was a lecher, rapist, killer, torturer, etc to name a few of the atrocious deeds that he did?

It is one thing to speak the truth, it is quite another to offend. While Mohammed may have been illerate and a pagan, it is unchartiable to call him an illerate pagan when making a reply about the Islamic texts (yes, I’m referring to post #370). It would be appropriate, however, to explain that Mohammed could not read, and, if necessary, explain that he was a pagan (though most Muslims already know he was a pagan before he became a Muslim).

But I do not wish to sound like I’m arguing with you, because we must be united in the fight for the truth, or else, upon seeing arguing, our opponents will consider us scoundrels and not heed our words. And this is the importance of charity and truth: to win souls over for the Lord.

I admit, I do at times get a bit flustered on these boards, but I try to be a good Catholic Christian, because I want to lead many to God, rather than lead many away from him by my poor example. But this why I ask for pray, and I pray for others, by the grace of God.

 

[planten]

It is one thing to speak the truth, it is quite another to offend. While Mohammed may have been illerate and a pagan, it is unchartiable to call him an illerate pagan when making a reply about the Islamic texts (yes, I’m referring to post #370). It would be appropriate, however, to explain that Mohammed could not read, and, if necessary, explain that he was a pagan (though most Muslims already know he was a pagan before he became a Muslim).

But I do not wish to sound like I’m arguing with you, because we must be united in the fight for the truth, or else, upon seeing arguing, our opponents will consider us scoundrels and not heed our words. And this is the importance of charity and truth: to win souls over for the Lord.

I admit, I do at times get a bit flustered on these boards, but I try to be a good Catholic Christian, because I want to lead many to God, rather than lead many away from him by my poor example. But this why I ask for pray, and I pray for others, by the grace of God.

Good post. But you had a bad reply already to your good advice of being courteous. Please note: Prayers won’t help without practice. You shoud be strict in your beliefs. In this post you have taken a lenient view about the abusive posts of Catholics or one supposed Catholic who may be a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

 

[Eucharisted]

Good post. But you had a bad reply already to your good advice of being courteous. Please note: Prayers won’t help without practice. You shoud be strict in your beliefs. In this post you have taken a lenient view about the abusive posts of Catholics or one supposed Catholic who may be a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Prayer and action are united, true, but to not pray is not rely on God. That is why I ask for prayer and why I pray for others. It is a grace of God I do not wish to abandon, and I know Muslims don’t understand grace, since it’s Christian theology. But you can open a new thread if you want to learn about Christian prayer and God’s grace.

 

[Booklover]

It is one thing to speak the truth, it is quite another to offend. While Mohammed may have been illerate and a pagan, it is unchartiable to call him an illerate pagan when making a reply about the Islamic texts (yes, I’m referring to post #370). It would be appropriate, however, to explain that Mohammed could not read, and, if necessary, explain that he was a pagan (though most Muslims already know he was a pagan before he became a Muslim).

But I do not wish to sound like I’m arguing with you, because we must be united in the fight for the truth, or else, upon seeing arguing, our opponents will consider us scoundrels and not heed our words. And this is the importance of charity and truth: to win souls over for the Lord.

I admit, I do at times get a bit flustered on these boards, but I try to be a good Catholic Christian, because I want to lead many to God, rather than lead many away from him by my poor example. But this why I ask for pray, and I pray for others, by the grace of God.

As Thelma Ritter said in “Rear Window”, “No one has invented a polite word for murder yet” or words to that effect. All that R-Not has done is to point out Muhammad’s true character as testified by Islamic scriptures. Why is telling the truth considered bashing or offending? Is it good to sugarcoat evil in order not to offend someone?

Vickie

 

[R_not]

As Thelma Ritter said in “Rear Window”, “No one has invented a polite word for murder yet” or words to that effect. All that R-Not has done is to point out Muhammad’s true character as testified by Islamic scriptures. Why is telling the truth considered bashing or offending? Is it good to sugarcoat evil in order not to offend someone?

Vickie

We live in a time of ‘political correctness’. But, even Father Botros apologizes to the muslims before he reveals their surahs and hadiths - and he has a bounty on his head and the muslims want him censored at the very least. Basically, illiterate means '1: having little or no education ; especially : unable to read or write ’ and the Arabs of that time were mostly illiterate pagans.

mohammed had the religion of his father - his father was called ‘Abdullah’ which means ‘servent of allah’. That is where allah came from - the religion that he was familiar with. He almost added allah’s daughters to islam, and they are even mentioned in the koran.

islamic roots of polytheism

It is an undeniable fact of history that before Muhammed was born, the moon god “al-Ilah” (Allah) had three daughters named al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat. The first two were even named after their father. Each daughter had a separate shrine near Mecca, where Allah’s shrine was located.
As Muhammad grew weary from evangelizing his new religion with little success, he was tricked by the devil into adding a verse in the Koran that commanded Muslims to pray to Allah’s three pagan daughters Lat, Uzza and Manat. The pagan female trinity was immediately accepted without dissent and the passage was considered part of the revealed Koran. However some time later, Muhammad got a revelation from God that the verse should be removed. After repenting of the error, Muhammad was comforted by God.
Such “after the fact corrective revelations” are very common with cults. Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormons also received an “after the fact corrective revelation” from God retracted the previous “divine command” allowing polygamy.
The historical information confirming the “Satanic verses” is so vast and sure, only the desperate blind would deny the evidence. Undeniably factual information regarding the Satanic verses comes from respected Muslim scholars like at-Tabari and Ibn Sa’d who wrote biographical and historical accounts of the life of Muhammad.
Yet some Muslims actually reject the whole “daughter-gate” story as untrue. These are an extremist minority, you know, the ones who don’t believe youth should be taught history or science, but spend 8 hours a day memorizing the Koran. Yet many Muslims are trained to habitually disregard factual world history when it conflicts with the Koran. Take the fact of Christ’s crucifixion. Even the Jews agree he was crucified, but the Koran says it was a case of mistaken identity. So Muslims reject the universal record of history and the Bible, but believe the Koran is true. Amazingly, some Islamic apologists actually deny “daughter-gate” ever happened. Yet their only argument is, “The Koran says it cannot be tampered with and that Satan cannot interfere with the revelation process.” So, these extremists must either admit that the final prophet revealed a Koranic passage whose origin was Satan, or simply rewrite their own history and deny the whole “daughter-gate” scandal itself.

 

[R_not]

As Thelma Ritter said in “Rear Window”, “No one has invented a polite word for murder yet” or words to that effect. All that R-Not has done is to point out Muhammad’s true character as testified by Islamic scriptures. Why is telling the truth considered bashing or offending? Is it good to sugarcoat evil in order not to offend someone?

Vickie

Oh, I guess you can call murder - passing away under great duress of the body being hampered by not being able to do its bodily functions. For example, it is well known that lobbing the head off of a person really makes it hard for a body to function. Or blowing up a body also makes it hard to function.

I am not trying to make fun of Eucharisted, he has a point.

The problem is that writing styles differ and I can be very blunt. I type fast too which makes it harder to rethink phrases for me.

But, while we worry about writing styles - muslims on these threads don’t make a peep about the non-muslims being slaughtered for islam.

It is ok for them to have different definitions for words so that they can deceive us. see below for my growing list of words that they have different definitions for.

this is why so little gets done in all these ‘religious conferences’. Basically, they are just meetings so muslims can go in and give a line of junk and the others just accept it at face value while not figuring out (by reading their texts) that the muslims are told to deceive us.

peace - death, conversion or subjugation (dhimmittude) for infidels

peace treaty -can only last for 10 years and is to be broken at anytime when the muslims are rearmed/regrouped

aggressor - only infidels are aggressors. Any actions (violent) by muslims is their right per the koran

oppressor - only infidels are oppressors if they do not allow themselves to be subjugated by muslims/sharia law

(modern day) Crusader, or islamophobes - Christians who figured out what islam is all about and are telling others the facts of islam

honor - following the koran’s teaching on this - and if it includes beating, raping, stoning, hanging, enslavement, - that is ok - it is what the koran says to do and it is considered an honor for women to endure these actions.

Innocent - only muslims are innocent. No infidel is considered to be innocent.

Attack - no infidel is to attack a muslim.
If/when they do such an arrogant thing then no matter what muslims have done, are doing, to them - they attack first.

persecution - us not letting them practice their ‘religion’ and subjugate or kill us. us telling the truth about islam and us telling
them to keep their ‘religion’ to themselves and stop pushing it down our throats.

martyr - those who die while trying to kill non-muslims

Dead or in Guantanamo = Civilian.

Burning western city streets = Youths, or Asian, just showing us non-muslims that if we don’t behave they will terrorize us.

Gang raping European women = Pious defenders of Islamic modesty.

Killers of western civilians, Jews, or any non-muslim = freedom fighters.

‘living by the laws of the land’ - crimes against non-muslims are ok, and the areas where muslims live are so dangerous that
non-muslim police cannot enter is ok too. do not hold muslims accountable for their crimes.

war - opening up the world to islam

 

[Muslim_Woman]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace

Is Faith Enough?

Q. …Christian said that he wanted to stay with the teachings of the Bible because it gives good news. …He argued that in contrast the Quran was ‘hard news’ …

Shahul Hameed :…Prophet Jesus’(p) teaching of faith and good works is quite in agreement with the Quranic position. We read in the Quran what means:

{As to those who believe and work righteousness, verily We shall not suffer to perish the reward of any who do a (single) righteous deed.} (Al-Kahf 18:30)

{For those who believe and work deeds of righteousness is a reward that will never fail. } (Fussilat 41:8)

{Those who have faith and do righteous deeds,- they are the best of creatures. } (Al-Bayyinah 98:7)

Useful Links:

Who Paved the Way to Salvation?

Salvation by Proxy?

Salvation Through Jesus?

Good Deeds = Longer Life?

Original Sin or… Innocence?

Original Innocence

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[Muslim_Woman]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace

Development of Embryo in the Qur’an and the Hadith *

By Sheikh. Abdul-Majid Az-Zindani

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Woe to man! how ungrateful? From what stuff has He created him? From a sperm-drop: He has created him, and then molded him in due proportion.] (`Abasa 80: 17-19)

…Studying the texts of the Qur’an and the Hadith, many scientists get amazed by the accurate scientific facts mentioned in them. Among those who were taken by surprise is Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson, Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Genecology, and Professor of Molecular and Human Genetics at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston.

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[Eucharisted]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace

Development of Embryo in the Qur’an and the Hadith *

By Sheikh. Abdul-Majid Az-Zindani

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...goBlobs&blobwhere=1137941935923&ssbinary=true

Woe to man! how ungrateful? From what stuff has He created him? From a sperm-drop: He has created him, and then molded him in due proportion.] (`Abasa 80: 17-19)

…Studying the texts of the Qur’an and the Hadith, many scientists get amazed by the accurate scientific facts mentioned in them. Among those who were taken by surprise is Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson, Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Genecology, and Professor of Molecular and Human Genetics at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston.

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So ants can talk? Oh wait, no, they can’t, because they communicate using chemicals - not sounds or verbitum.

Another interesting fact: even Christians before the time of Mohammed knew about the growth of the fetus. So your so-called “scientific facts” in the Qu’ran are nothing more then early understandings of science. And this is proven by the talking ant!

Oh, but it gets much worst. Let us say that Mohammed did in fact receive the Qu’ran as revelation. Do you realize that he could have recieve it from a demon? Demons have superhuman intelligence, so they could very well reveal scientific facts and secret knowledge to Mohammed - just to “prove” his message was “divine”.

One final note: Scientific discoveries aren’t signs from God that prove the divine origins of the Qu’ran. Because if that was the case, the story of the talking ant alone would disprove the Qu’ran. It would be better if you looked for historical evidence for the Qu’ran, and by that I mean, evidence which proves the truth of the claims in the Qu’ran (for example, Jesus saying He never called Himself God).

And to prove that scientific facts do not prove the authenticity of the Qu’ran, I’m going to make a ridiculous statement about myself, but prove it comes from God by adding on a scientific fact:

I am Emperor Nero, and I have lived since the day I was born, and I will live forever, because I am an Immortal. And you shall know that this true when you find that the center of the galaxy which we reside in is a hole of blackness.

 

[planten]

So ants can talk? Oh wait, no, they can’t, because they communicate using chemicals - not sounds or verbitum.

Another interesting fact: even Christians before the time of Mohammed knew about the growth of the fetus. So your so-called “scientific facts” in the Qu’ran are nothing more then early understandings of science. And this is proven by the talking ant!

Oh, but it gets much worst. Let us say that Mohammed did in fact receive the Qu’ran as revelation. Do you realize that he could have recieve it from a demon? Demons have superhuman intelligence, so they could very well reveal scientific facts and secret knowledge to Mohammed - just to “prove” his message was “divine”.

One final note: Scientific discoveries aren’t signs from God that prove the divine origins of the Qu’ran. Because if that was the case, the story of the talking ant alone would disprove the Qu’ran. It would be better if you looked for historical evidence for the Qu’ran, and by that I mean, evidence which proves the truth of the claims in the Qu’ran (for example, Jesus saying He never called Himself God).

And to prove that scientific facts do not prove the authenticity of the Qu’ran, I’m going to make a ridiculous statement about myself, but prove it comes from God by adding on a scientific fact:

I am Emperor Nero, and I have lived since the day I was born, and I will live forever, because I am an Immortal. And you shall know that this true when you find that the center of the galaxy which we reside in is a hole of blackness.

**The word “Ants” in the Quran may be symbolic referring to some ancient tribe. King Soloman had Army, Navy and Airforce.

Please remember that Quran is the word of God (Allah). Science is the work of God(Allah). There is no difference between the word of God and the work of God (Allah).

To improve your knowledge of the Quran, please read the book “Bible, Science and Quran” written by a Frenchman**.

 

[swariffin]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace

Development of Embryo in the Qur’an and the Hadith *

By Sheikh. Abdul-Majid Az-Zindani

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...goBlobs&blobwhere=1137941935923&ssbinary=true

Woe to man! how ungrateful? From what stuff has He created him? From a sperm-drop: He has created him, and then molded him in due proportion.] (`Abasa 80: 17-19)

…Studying the texts of the Qur’an and the Hadith, many scientists get amazed by the accurate scientific facts mentioned in them. Among those who were taken by surprise is Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson, Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Genecology, and Professor of Molecular and Human Genetics at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston.

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Nope, Muhammad said that the bone of the fetus are developed first, then the flesh. In fact, the bones and the flesh are developed simultaneously.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Quran & Science

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Prof. Tejatat Tejasen*

“I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Quran 1400 years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means.”

He Makes Shahadah!

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[Benjamin8o8]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Quran & Science

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“It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God or Allah…”

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Prof. Tejatat Tejasen*

“I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Quran 1400 years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means.”

He Makes Shahadah!

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There is some truth in the Koran. Allah loves the Muslims who fear Him, and devout their lives to Him. So He will in return in some decree increase their faith which has been brough to them. Allah is merciful and great:thumbsup:

God Bless you my sister.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

ARTHUR - South Africa: Birth Announcements: Why Jesus, Not Muhammad?

Idris Tawfiq:…In the Quran, the birth of Jesus is announced to Mary by “angels.” Gabriel is not mentioned by name. Jesus’ birth is recognized by Muslims as extraordinary and it is fitting that such a birth be announced in such a way.

Muhammad’s birth, whilst foretold long before, is a normal birth of two parents. In this translation of the meaning of the words, the Quran tells us that the coming of Muhammad is actually foretold by Jesus:

And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah sent to you, confirming the Torah, and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed. (As-Saff 61:6)

In Arabic, the names Ahmad and Muhammad mean the same thing, “the Praised One.” Muslims see this as Jesus foretelling the coming of Muhammad.

In fact, the same word can be translated in almost the same way in Greek as “periclytos,” which has been translated in English as “the comforter,” As you know, John’s Gospel talks about the coming of the Comforter/ the Paraclete, which the Christian Church has chosen to interpret as the Holy Spirit.

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