Ask about Islam round 3!

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

God Bless you my sister.

God Bless you in this life & the hereafter , Amen.

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[R_not]

**The word “Ants” in the Quran may be symbolic referring to some ancient tribe. King Soloman had Army, Navy and Airforce.

Please remember that Quran is the word of God (Allah). Science is the work of God(Allah). There is no difference between the word of God and the work of God (Allah).

To improve your knowledge of the Quran, please read the book “Bible, Science and Quran” written by a Frenchman**.

allah was certainly overly concerned with mohammed’s sex life! Much less concerned with women getting into heaven. It didn’t even know that man would leave the ‘zone of the earth’!

No, I don’t think allah is a god. But, it is a mix of mohammed’s pagan religion and mohammed himself. Now mohammed was indeed overly concerned with his sex life - and killing and hating. But the allah of mohammed’s pagan religion was a god of a fertility religion. They would dance around the kabaa in the nude (now the muslims just go around it in white robe and are nude underneath it). And mohammed took that god and made it into a lusty, greedy, hateful, bloodlusty, deceptive god.

And it certainly allowed mohammed to do whatever he wanted to do. Well, if you think that it was more than mohammed himself giving reasons for his poor behavior then I got an orange bridge to sell you.

 

[R_not]

I found this question and answer which I thought was a pretty good answer.

Q33: Why do you Christians [allegedly] attack Muslims?

A: We care for Muslims people; we do not attack them. Three words answer this question: Bosnians, Jesus, and villagers.

Bosnians: When Serbs were ruthlessly slaughtering Bosnian Muslims, Americans stood against that. Serbs might have perceived America as being against them, but we were not against Serbian people. We were for protecting the oppressed, and we were against the atrocities that some (but not all) Serbs did. Likewise we have nothing against the Afghans, as our aid shipments to them show, but when our own civilians were attacked, we responded to try to protect ourselves from this happening again.

Jesus said we were to turn the other cheek, and we do that as individuals. However, on a government level Romans 13:4 says it does not bear the sword in vain. Western culture is not Christian, though Christianity has heavily influenced it. Western culture is not always right, but we have a duty to stand against what is wrong. There are things wrong besides murdering people. Treating women as second class citizens, forbidding them to work outside the home, counting their witness in court as only half that of a man, and who should rarely be outside the home, are all wrong ideas. God is mocked when it is done in His name.

Villagers in Indonesia and Sudan are being slaughtered today simply because they are not Muslims. Would you tell me why many Muslims across the world feel they should be doing this, and yet Muslims think any peaceful, rational criticism of Islamic practices is an “attack” on them?

 

[R_not]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Quran & Science

“It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God or Allah…”

Prof. Tejatat Tejasen*

“I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Quran 1400 years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means.”

He Makes Shahadah!

Well, prove it then. Let me see - maybe proving that man can’t leave the ‘zone’ of the earth first. Oh, wait - they can’t prove that since we already left it.

allah says we cannot leave earth

Ok, so maybe how about proving this one - allah says the mountains stand firm and stop the earth from moving

here are some gems from both the koran and hadiths - it seems that allah didn’t know about DNA!

Bukhari:V4B55N546 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Gabriel has just now told me of the answer. If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child will resemble him, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child will resemble her.’”

here it seems that allah didn’t know what caused the seasons - and why the days are shorter or longer.

Bukhari:V4B54N482 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘The Hell Fire complained to its Lord saying, “O my Lord! My different parts are eating each other up.” So, He allowed it to take two breaths, one in winter, the other in summer. This is the reason for the severe heat and bitter cold you find in weather.’”

Bukhari:V1B10N510 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘If it is very hot, the severity of the heat is from the raging of the Hell Fire.’”

Tabari I:232 “Gabriel brings to the sun a garment of luminosity from the light of Allah’s Throne according to the measure of the hours of the day. The garment is longer in the summer and shorter in the winter, and of intermediate length in autumn and spring. The sun puts on that garment as one of you here puts on his clothes.”

Here are some surahs telling that allah was really confused about the sun and the moon! They had chariots to carry them in their ‘race’ against each other.

Qur’an 36:38 “The sun keeps revolving in its orbit at the dispensation of the All-Knowing. And the Moon, We have measured for her mansions till she returns like dried date stalks. It is not permitted for the Sun to overtake the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day. Each (just) swims along, floating in (its own) orbit as a Sign as in a race. And we made similar vessels [chariots] for them to ride. But we could have drowned them if we pleased.”

some more miscellaneous nonsense:

Qur’an 21:26 “Don’t the unbelievers see that the heavens and earth were joined together in one piece before we clove them asunder? …Will they not believe? And We have set on the earth mountains as stabilizers, lest the earth should convulse without them. And We have made therein broad highways for them to pass through, that they may be guided. We have made the heaven a roof well guarded. Yet they turn away from its Signs! All (the celestial bodies) swim along, on a course, floating.”

Tabari I:219 “When Allah wanted to create the creation, He brought forth smoke from the water. The smoke hovered loftily over it. He called it ‘heaven.’ Then He dried out the water and made it earth. He split it and made it seven earths on Sunday. He created the earth upon a big fish, that being the fish mentioned in the Qur’an. By the Pen, the fish was in the water. The water was upon the back of a small rock. The rock was on the back of an angel. The angel was on a big rock. The big rock was in the wind. The fish became agitated. As a result, the earth quaked, so Allah anchored the mountains and made it stable. This is why the Qur’an says, ‘Allah made for the earth firmly anchored mountains, lest it shake you up.’”

 

[R_not]

I would pay attention to this if you live in the UK, Canada, Australia, or Europe - or any country not currently under sharia laws, or any country considering allowing it to be enacted in any form - this is their stated goals.

Omar M. Ahmad founder of CAIR said:‘Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant’ he said. ‘The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America , and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth,’ he said.

But does Islam practice justice? Does Islam really promote human rights?

This article says no for ten verifiable reasons.

I would recommend reading the article to get an indepth reading of the research into all of these points I will post.

1. Islam commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped.
2. Islam allows husbands to hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives.
3. Islam allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge—physical eye for physical eye.
4. Islam commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off.
5. Islam commands that highway robbers should be crucified or mutilated.
6. Islam commands that homosexuals must be executed.
7. Islam orders unmarried fornicators to be whipped and adulterers to be stoned to death.
8. Islam orders death for Muslim and possible death for non-Muslim critics of Muhammad and the Quran and even sharia itself.
9. Islam orders apostates to be killed.
10. Islam commands offensive and aggressive and unjust jihad.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

The Story of Prophet Solomon (Part 3)

…In the Christian Gospels, we hear people asking the question about Jesus, “Who is this man, that even the winds and the sea obey him?” The Gospels tell us that Jesus had power over the winds and the waves, and no one questions this power.

So why not Solomon? In the Quran we read:

[And to Solomon (We made) the Wind (obedient): Its early morning (stride) was a month’s (journey), and its evening (stride) was a month’s (journey); and We made a Font of molten brass to flow for him; and there were Jinns that worked in front of him, by the leave of his Lord, and if any of them turned aside from our command, We made him taste of the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.] (Saba’ 34:12)

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[R_not]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

The Story of Prophet Solomon (Part 3)

…In the Christian Gospels, we hear people asking the question about Jesus, “Who is this man, that even the winds and the sea obey him?” The Gospels tell us that Jesus had power over the winds and the waves, and no one questions this power.

So why not Solomon? In the Quran we read:

[And to Solomon (We made) the Wind (obedient): Its early morning (stride) was a month’s (journey), and its evening (stride) was a month’s (journey); and We made a Font of molten brass to flow for him; and there were Jinns that worked in front of him, by the leave of his Lord, and if any of them turned aside from our command, We made him taste of the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.] (Saba’ 34:12)

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Please quote from the Bible whatever you are trying to convey. the koran isn’t very reliable source for any of the Biblical stories since non of you can prove that the Bible was corrupted and that is the basis for the koran’s interpretation of those stories.

Unless you want to take on the task of proving to us that the Bible was corrupted. Please use sources other than the koran since that would just be another ‘mohammed said, or allah said’ and therefore it is. Which doesn’t hold to much weight. There has to be another source, the original Bible, or something.

 

[Jay53]

Is this thread for just general questions about Islam?

If this has already been answered or if I need to start a new thread I apologize and please just let me know.

I would like to know:

In Islam, what is the significance of the virgin birth of Jesus? From my understanding, Muslims believe in this and believe that ONLY Jesus was born to a virgin. I would like to know what the meaning of this is to Muslims. Why do they believe God did this for Jesus and not any other prophet?

Thank you.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace

… Why do they believe God did this for Jesus and not any other prophet?
.

God granted different miracles to various Prophets (pbut). Adam (p) was created without parents , Jesus (p) was created without father , fire became cool for Abraham (p) , Moon was divided when Muhammed (p) pointed out his finger at sky etc etc .

Miracles indicate that all power belong to God only . Miracle birth of Jesus (p) , his first speech ’ I am a servant of God ’ prove that human being are powerless & no miracle is performed without the will of God.

It’s enough for us to know that it’s the God Almighty who granted His blessings whenever , whomever He wanted . No miracle made any Prophet equal to God . They will always be humble servants of God .

 

[Reuben_J]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace

God granted different miracles to various Prophets (pbut). Adam (p) was created without parents , Jesus (p) was created without father , fire became cool for Abraham (p) , Moon was divided when Muhammed (p) pointed out his finger at sky etc etc .

Miracles indicate that all power belong to God only . Miracle birth of Jesus (p) , his first speech ’ I am a servant of God ’ prove that human being are powerless & no miracle is performed without the will of God.

It’s enough for us to know that it’s the God Almighty who granted His blessings whenever , whomever He wanted . No miracle made any Prophet equal to God . They will always be humble servants of God .

I think you haven’t answer her question unless your answer is ‘miracles indicate that all power belong to God’, which is not much of an answer since we know all power belong to God. I think her question is, ‘what is the significance of the respective miracles?’.

It’s okay if you don’t know how to answer that. I thought the clarification is in order and if there is an answer I suppose it would be interesting to hear.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace

Mercy, through Hell…

Ariel - Canada: Why do Muslims believe that there is sever punishment in the life after? If God is so merciful – as Islam claims – why did He create hellfire punishment?

Ans: Waleed Ahmed Najmeddine

…God has told us He will not forgive, that is to associate partners with Him in his Sovereignty and Majesty. Those who die in this state of belief have truly gone astray and have not given God His due.

So, after receiving countless messages, bounties, blessings and warnings, we still refuse to follow good advice out of our own free will, what should be the result? Would a person not have resigned his/her own fate to eternal misery, having refused to strive towards paradise? Were there no reward for good, what would encourage us to do good? Were there no punishment for evil, what would discourage us from doing evil things?

If God were to treat the evil and the good in the same manner, there would be no justice

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Life After Death…What’s the Proof?

The Unbelievers say, ‘Never to us will come the Hour’:
Say, 'Nay! but most surely, by my Lord, it will come upon you;—

by Him Who knows the unseen,— from Whom is not hidden the least little atom in the heavens or on earth: nor is there anything less than that, or greater, but is in the Record Perspicuous:

That He may reward those who believe and work deeds of righteousness: for such is Forgiveness and a Sustenance Most Generous.’ But those who strive against Our Signs, to frustrate them,- for such will be a Chastisement,- of painful wrath.

(Saba’ 34:3-5)

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[paarsurrey]

ONLY Jesus was born to a virgin.

Hi

I think you have wrongly concluded this notion from Quran. Quran does not mention, that there were no other human beings born of virgins, or there won’t be any human beings in future who won’t be born of a virgin. Jesus was one such person whose mother was not touched by a male, yet Mary conceived the child, in my opinion.

Kindly read the verses carefully.

I love Jesus and Muhammad

Thanks

 

[sedonaman]

Please use sources other than the koran since that would just be another ‘mohammed said, or allah said’ and therefore it is.

Any method other than “Mohammad said” or “Allah said” is un-Islamic and therefore not allowed.

Remember, the path to knowledge is,

Observation – > Interpretation / Analysis – > Knowledge

This leaves the Prophet out of the process; and if he’s out of the process, so is Allah because there is no one else to whom Allah can whisper his “revelation”, therefore it is evil.

There has to be another source, the original Bible, or something.

Why?

 

[MugenOne]

Tabari I:299 “Scholars of the nation of our Prophet say, ‘The tree which Allah forbade Adam and his spouse to eat was wheat.’”

Tabari I:321 “When Eve became heavy with her first pregnancy, Satan came to her before she gave birth and said, ‘Eve, what is that in your womb?’ She said, ‘I do not know.’ He asked, ‘Where will it come out from-your nose, your eye, or your ear?’ She replied, ‘I do not know.’”
Tabari I:299 “It was the cover of fingernails that had kept their secret parts concealed.”

Tabari I:275 “Satan wanted to meet them in Paradise, but the keepers prevented him from entering. He went to a snake, an animal with four feet like a camel. Satan tried to persuade it to let him enter its mouth and take him to Adam. The snake agreed, passed by the keepers, and entered without their knowledge, because that was Allah’s plan.”
Tabari I:278 “Adam went inside the tree to hide. Eve cut the tree and it bled. Then feather that covered Adam and Eve dropped off. So Allah said, ‘Now Eve, as you caused the tree to bleed, you will bleed every new moon, and you, snake, I will cut off your feet and you will walk slithering on your face.’”
Tabari I:279 “It was a tree which made whoever ate from it defecate. But there must be no faeces in Paradise.”
Tabari I:281 “I heard him swear by Allah unequivocally, 'As long as Adam was in his right mind, he would never have eaten from the tree. Eve gave him wine and got him drunk. She led him to the tree.”

Tabari I:267 “And Allah taught Adam all the names as follows: He taught him the name of everything, down to fart and little fart.”

I didn’t know that snakes used to four feet. There was no defecation until Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Life. Women have monthly cycle as a punishment by Allah for cutting down the Tree of Life. The Islam version of the Genesis story sounds silly. It sounds like a poorly written or plagiarized creation story.

 

[dkdempsey]

I learned all I need to know about Islam on 9/11.

 

[sedonaman]

I learned all I need to know about Islam on 9/11.

Kinda says it all.

 

[paarsurrey]

Remember, the path to knowledge is,

Observation – > Interpretation / Analysis – > Knowledge

Originally Posted by paarsurrey:
Hi

I agree with your above words. One source of knowledge, among many, is:
Observation – > Interpretation / Analysis – > Knowledge

but only if the interpretation/analysis is done within the context; that is why I always say to quote the quranic verse with five preceding and five following verse for the usual context. Then there is no harm.

Originally Posted by sedonaman
Sister Amy says analysis of Islamic texts is not permitted.

Originally Posted by paarsurrey:
Hi

That might be her opinion only.

I love Jesus and Muhammad.

Thanks

 

[Jay53]

Hi

I think you have wrongly concluded this notion from Quran. Quran does not mention, that there were no other human beings born of virgins, or there won’t be any human beings in future who won’t be born of a virgin. Jesus was one such person whose mother was not touched by a male, yet Mary conceived the child, in my opinion.

Kindly read the verses carefully.

I love Jesus and Muhammad

Thanks

This would not be from the Quran. Jesus’ birth is documented in the Bible. And your response didn’t answer my question at all. I just wanted to know what Muslims see as the significance that Jesus was born of a virgin and no other prophet was? Why didn’t Allah make the “last” prophet born of a virgin to signify the prophet’s holiness. I’m just looking for the Muslim perspective of the significance of the virgin birth. Thank you.

 

[Jay53]

Is this thread for just general questions about Islam?

If this has already been answered or if I need to start a new thread I apologize and please just let me know.

I would like to know:

In Islam, what is the significance of the virgin birth of Jesus? From my understanding, Muslims believe in this and believe that ONLY Jesus was born to a virgin. I would like to know what the meaning of this is to Muslims. Why do they believe God did this for Jesus and not any other prophet? Why wasn’t the “last” prophet born of a virgin to signify his holiness?

Thank you.

Bump

 

[R_not]

The differences in prayer according to Jesus and mohammed. One didn’t need the outward show of prayer - He only needed us to pray in our hearts because He knew when we were praying. mohammed needed a show since he and his god allah had no idea when one was praying.

PRAYER
comparison between Jesus and mohammed.

JESUS: taught His disciples to pray simply, and from the heart. God listens to the heart, not the outward form:

Matt: 6:5-13: “But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words…”

Jesus taught that true prayer was an expression of relationship and communication with a heavenly Father.

MUHAMMAD: taught formalized prayer ritual: (quotes are from Bukhari, Vol. 1)

488 - passing in front of a praying person annuls his prayer

489 - it’s a sin to pass in front of someone while they’re praying

660 - don’t raise from prayer before the Imam {Muslim cleric leading the formal, ritualized prayers), or God will turn your face into a donkey’s face

685 - if the prayer rows (of men) aren’t straight, God will alter your faces

690 - if the prayer rows aren’t straight, the prayer is not good

717 - if you look up during prayer, you’ll lose your eyesight

759 - if you don’t perform the bowing perfectly, your prayers are not accepted

I wonder if anyone tried looking up to see if they will lose their eyesight, or to raise before the imam to see if they turn into a donkey. It would show them that mohammed was not telling the truth about such things. Or are they too afraid?! They are already predestined to heaven or hell, and the women have to wear tents anyway and peek out of peep holes - why should they care?!?