Ask about Islam round 3!

[Agabriel]

But it’s OK to torture, mutilate, and kill other human beings.

You should have posted a quote from your link. The Muslims don’t seem to want to go and read for themselves the nasty nature of the ones that they defend. Keep in mind the muslims on these threads haver repeatedly defended the Palestinians who have also practiced this mutilation. I know of Israelis who have also been mutilated and also have had their bowels taken out and the muslims will wrap themselves in them, dance and laugh while dangling them. It was a story in the news.

During the horrifying siege of the Taj Mahal Hotel, the Islamic terrorists sexually humiliated and mutilated the guests before shooting them dead. Why?

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The torture, mutilation and murders documented recently in Mumbai are certainly not limited to Kashmiri Jihadists. During the Israeli War of Independence Jewish fighters, including female soldiers captured by Arab irregulars, were routinely tortured and mutilated in the most obscene ways (by contrast, water-boarding would have furnished a pleasant interlude), and IDF officers warned their troops against being taken alive.

I cannot know what passions motivated the Mumbai torturers, but given that they are Islamists, and given that their savage practices matched those of the Palestinian Muslim guerrillas, we may assume that they shared the Palestinian’s sadism, as well as the psychology underlying that perversion.

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“Doctors working in a hospital where all the bodies, including that of the terrorists, were taken said they had not seen anything like this in their lives.

Asked what was different about the victims of the incident, another doctor said: “It was very strange. I have seen so many dead bodies in my life, and was yet traumatised. A bomb blast victim’s body might have been torn apart and could be a very disturbing sight. But the bodies of the victims in this attack bore such signs about the kind of violence of urban warfare that I am still unable to put my thoughts to words,” he said.”

The other doctor, who had also conducted the post-mortem of the victims, said: “Of all the bodies, the Israeli victims bore the maximum torture marks. It was clear that they were killed on the 26th itself. It was obvious that they were tied up and tortured before they were killed. It was so bad that I do not want to go over the details even in my head again,” he said.”

And as for the dogs and ‘acceptable’ roles for it. It seems that the blind couldn’t take their seeing-eye dogs on a cab in our own country. I don’t know whatever happened to those cabbies but I think they should have been fired.

So after the behavior of these muslims - a dog doing anything with their excretment is minor compared to the behavior by these so called human beings. And usually they just smell it - dogs are an animal that uses smelling as a primary way in this world. Smelling their behinds, and other things, is a way of identification and of pack behavior.

 

[Jay53]

I know of Israelis who have also been mutilated and also have had their bowels taken out and the muslims will wrap themselves in them, dance and laugh while dangling them. It was a story in the news.

And that’s not considered unclean?

 

[Jay53]

Ok, this is totally unrelated to the previous topics, but I came across this and just have to ask:

How To Breast Feed A Child
2496. The child’s mother is the best person to suckle a child. It is better that she does not claim any award from her husband for suckling the child, although it is good that he should reward her for that. However, if the mother demands more payment for suckling than a wet-nurse, her husband can entrust the child to the wet-nurse.

1. It is recommended that the wet-nurse, whose services are obtained for a child, should be Shia Ithna-Asheri, sane, chaste, and good looking; and it is Makrooh for a wet-nurse to be a non-Shia Ithna-Asheri or ugly, ill-humoured or illegitimate. It is also Makrooh to entrust the child to a wet-nurse who has given birth to an illegitimate child. al-islam.org/laws/marriage1.html#2393

Who exactly makes this determination about good-looking vs. ugly and what difference does it make? Are there “ugly genes” that get transmitted through breast milk?

 

[Agabriel]

Ok, this is totally unrelated to the previous topics, but I came across this and just have to ask:

Who exactly makes this determination about good-looking vs. ugly and what difference does it make? Are there “ugly genes” that get transmitted through breast milk?

OMG, I had to laugh at this one! :doh2:

 

[sedonaman]

Are there “ugly genes” that get transmitted through breast milk?

Maybe. There’s lots of science in the Qur’an , you know. Some of it undoubtedly is still yet to be discovered. One can never be sure because it is “not subject to human interpretation.”

 

[jorgeraul3]

I came in here hoping to find some valid questions and answers. Instead I found a scene similar to Jesus teaching in the temple.

Remember the one with the pharisees asking hypocritical questions to try to ridicule him.

 

[CatholicRevert1]

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We are, however, not allowed to keep a dog as a pet, since it is not a very clean animal. How often have you come across the nasty sight of dogs taken for a walk licking their own excrement? Isn’t it disgusting to see their owners kissing the mouth of such animals after such incidents as if nothing happened?

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) has spared us from being contaminated by such filth when he ordered us to stay clear of the saliva of dogs. If we ever come into contact with a dog’s saliva we must wash the spot seven times, the first of which should be with sand or dirt. It is also possible to use a bacterial soap instead of sand or dirt.**

**MW and Sister Amy. By recollection you are converts to islam. Did you own a dog when you were Christian? If yes, do you now feel repulsed about the dog you loved back then? My family have owned several dogs none of whom have never licked their excrement and they were never dirty. I don’t know how just because you convert to islam you can start hating everything you did in life beforehand. Do you not consider that brainwashing - it is what cults do?

**

 

[Jay53]

I came in here hoping to find some valid questions and answers. Instead I found a scene similar to Jesus teaching in the temple.

Remember the one with the pharisees asking hypocritical questions to try to ridicule him.

Then you didn’t read the whole thread. :tsktsk: I personally have asked some serious questions, and have received no specific answers. My last question about the breast-feeding is admittedly silly, but it was based on an authentic Islamic teaching. Perhaps you have some examples of questions you think we should be asking.

 

[CatholicRevert1]

I have a question for converts. How do you go from love to hate so quickly. I have heard people say that since they joined islam they no longer believe the Holocaust happened and they hate Jewish people when they had no problem being friends with them before they converted. I just do not understand this. I was in a relationship with a muslim for a few years (big mistake) - he even tried to make me leave my job because I work for a Jewish lawyer.

R_Not - is it really that many? Shocking.

 

[sedonaman]

R_Not - is it really that many? Shocking.

Those are just since Sept. 11, 2001. From a government website, here is a list of Significant Terrorist Incidents, 1961-2003. Not all of them are by Muslims.

 

[R_not]

I have a question for converts. How do you go from love to hate so quickly. I have heard people say that since they joined islam they no longer believe the Holocaust happened and they hate Jewish people when they had no problem being friends with them before they converted. I just do not understand this. I was in a relationship with a muslim for a few years (big mistake) - he even tried to make me leave my job because I work for a Jewish lawyer.

R_Not - is it really that many? Shocking.

What post are you referring to?

Oh, and by the way they call it reverting to islam. They believe that we are all born muslims.

Now - I have an answer to that too! We believe that we have original sin and it would be reverting back to the state of sin to revert to islam!! I just do not see islam as a path to anything other than hell. I don’t see how anyone could follow or defend islam/mohammed. So many have been tortured and/or died because of that guy and it is still going on in his name.



And the ‘peaceful’ ones only speak up when the radicals are fired back on by their victims.

 

[Jay53]

R_not;4809215]What post are you referring to?

Your signature. Number of Islamic terrorist attacks.

(Sorry for butting in, but I actually knew the answer! )

 

[sedonaman]

I came in here hoping to find some valid questions and answers. Instead I found a scene similar to Jesus teaching in the temple.

Remember the one with the pharisees asking hypocritical questions to try to ridicule him.

I don’t know what Bible you’ve been reading, friend, but I don’t think equating what Jesus taught with what Muslims advocate is even close to fair. Most of the questions posed are designed basically to challenge the assertion that God and Allah are the same, because Muslims use the terms interchangeably. This is the starting point of getting us to accept Islam on an equal footing with Christianity. Most of the Catholic posters here don’t seem to want to make that concession, and for good reasons.

Catholics always want to do the charitable thing and develop understanding, but see how “understanding” in the case of Islam plays out over time:

“…It is instructive and sobering to consider a case study of a well-known American seminary, to see how sharply different ideas about Christian outreach and dialogue with Islam have played out over time. … Hartford Seminary in Connecticut, one of America’s oldest theological schools, was founded in 1834 by Calvinists who left Yale College to found a new institution of Christian learning. In the early decades of the twentieth century Hartford was a leading institution in the evangelization of Muslims. … in 1973, Hartford created the Duncan Black MacDonald Center for the Study of Islam and Christian-Muslim Relations. Its mission is to nurture Christian-Muslim understanding. In 1998, the center hired Ingrid Mattson, a Canadian-born convert to Islam with a doctorate in Islamic studies from the University of Chicago, to direct the chaplaincy program. Mattson is also the first female president of the Islamic Society of North America. In 2000, an Islamic chaplaincy program was launched at Hartford to train Muslims for chaplaincy roles in the American military. The number of students taking the Islamic chaplaincy training has steadily increased since then. … Today, Muslims make up 35 percent of the student body at Hartford Seminary, an institution which a few generations ago was training Christians to evangelize Muslims.

“The case of Hartford Seminary shows how the laudable desire to understand Islam and Muslims has brought a Calvinist foundation with a strong missionary emphasis to the point of using its resources to train and equip Muslims to strengthen other Muslims in their faith.”

One should observe that this transition took place over a period of 37 years – probably longer than the tenure of those who started the “dialog”. Thus, the original goals of the program were long forgotten. Are things going to be different this time? Maybe, but remember, Islam hasn’t changed in 1,400 years.

The Muslim posters here might be well-meaning folks, but that is designed to get Christian readers to make the mistake of thinking that since some Muslims are nice that Islam is good. Given Islam’s history, this would be a fatal error.

 

[sambos671]

what is the islamic counter to this assertion?

The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad’s day and was still the dominant cult. According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the Moon-god was Sin, his title was al- ilah, i.e. “the deity,” meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, “The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God.” The Moon-god was called al- ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad’s father and uncle had Allah as part of their names.

 

[R_not]

Your signature. Number of Islamic terrorist attacks.

(Sorry for butting in, but I actually knew the answer! )

One day this week it grew by 15.

I don’t think anyone minds butting in. They also can answer too!

 

[R_not]

what is the islamic counter to this assertion?

The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad’s day and was still the dominant cult. According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the Moon-god was Sin, his title was al- ilah, i.e. “the deity,” meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, “The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God.” The Moon-god was called al- ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad’s father and uncle had Allah as part of their names.

They ignore it. They will get angry and say it isn’t true. they will bash you. they will bash some aspect of Judaism and/or Christianity. They will say we are lying.

All these excuses and more just because they don’t know their own ‘prophet’, religion, or allah. We have brought this to their attention before and other things that they don’t like and we get all of the above and probably some other excuses that I forgot about.

If they start realizing what islam is all about then the whole things starts crumbling. Like the koran - they can’t prove the Bible was corrupted and that is what the koran is based on so they do the above too. Predestination - that is an islamic theological point and they scatter like leaves when that is brought up.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace

… Are there “ugly genes” that get transmitted through breast milk?

ask about holy Quran or hadith ; God Willing I will try to ans . I can’t possible explain about all Muslim’s personal opinion. In Quran , God says something like that : s/he is best who is most God fearing person .

 

[Muslim_Woman]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace

… they hate Jewish people .

Muslims are not allowed to hate any human being just because they belong to other faith . Specially Jews & Christians are referred as ’ people of the holy books’ in Quran.

I think , some Muslims try to tell that many suffered in war time & in the past on various occassions . Why only Jewish people will always enjoy special facilities because once they were victims of the holocaust ? Also , it does not give them any right to torture people in Palestine . They were not responsible for the holocaust.

 

[Eucharisted]

3:59 Lo! The likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is.

So Jesus is like Allah? Or Jesus, like Adam, is unlike Allah?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace

**MW and Sister Amy. By recollection you are converts to islam. Did you own a dog when you were Christian? **

Sadly I am not a revert .

In other forum , a revert bro ( ex Catholic from Texas ) told us that it was hard for him to take the decision to give all his dogs
(10 or 12 ) to others . BTW Islam does not teach us to be cruel to animals but the opposite.

related info :

Prophet (pbuh) states that showing kindness to animals is a means of earning reward:

‘In every living being there is reward.’

…a man who found a dog in the desert panting and licking the dust due to thirst. The man went to a well, filled his shoes with water, and relieved the dog’s thirst. Said the messenger of Allah (pbuh):

‘Allah appreciated this and forgave him all his sins.

link : islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1123996015602

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