And once again you drag up the Crusades - they are hardly current are they! Islam current violence www.thereligionofpeace.com - will you deny that too?
I agree with you that Maudadi and Qutb were foul and horrible people. However, the concept of islam means peace seems to have derived from Qutb’s utopian world of all under islam. However, the means he extolled to get there were not peaceful; and I think he was a psychologically unwell person. I read somewhere that he claimed that not even a muslim woman was good enough for him.
Exactly why I chose my signature quote:Yes.
Maybe it’s because a) he’s not a Christian, b) he didn’t claim he did it for God, or c) both.
We agree on this. The reason for their sometimes not telling the true facts is because the first thing they learn in journalism school is that as a journalist, you have “to make a difference.”
OK…will you settle for imprecisely? However they use their words…many, including me, are on to them. Watch what they do…listen to what they say but watch what they do.
And he’s incoherent because his prophet is incoherent.
See Planten, you have expressed the exact reason why nobody listen to you with any degree of seriousness.
Islam does mean submission; submission to God’s will.
Your father is the devil, and you choose to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and doesn’t stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Awesome! I’ve studied arabic for a while, and your writing is correct.Because the word اسلام (Islam) is a form word using the root letters س ل م (sa-la-ma) meaning peace (which is actually the same thing in Hebrew: sha-la-ma, that’s where Shalom comes from, all Semitic languages use root letters to stand for a meaning or idea that they further develop into specific words based on a template).
اسلام means something we don’t really have in English. It’s like “submission” but that has a negative connotation to it in our language. Just imagine the word “peace” and these letters (sa-la-ma) put into the form “islam” means “one entering into peace”/“one who is submerged in peace”.
I’ve been studying Arabic for about two years now
** It seem you do not read properly. I did not say that. It were the words of that great christian philosopher poet Goethe. See the post again before you say RUBBISH**.
Sorta like a pax Romana?
Thanks but I study Arabic and respectfully I’m going to have to say that his explanation is really not that accurate, obviously and highly biased. Since it comes from the root letters s-l-m it denotes something peaceful. I don’t think the concept is being grasped here that it doesn’t really mean “submission” because in English that has a negative connotation. It’s not negative in Arabic. Salama is something highly positive and that’s why they use it for lots of words and phrases dealing with ideas related to peace like:
And yet samaan clarifies it to mean “to force to peace”. I think we’re arguing semantics rather than what it actually means in action. Qutb’s idea that “peace” will ensue when the whole world is within the islamic ummah seems on the mark to me. However, I see that as a forced submission to another’s control.Thanks but I study Arabic and respectfully I’m going to have to say that his explanation is really not that accurate, obviously and highly biased. Since it comes from the root letters s-l-m it denotes something peaceful. I don’t think the concept is being grasped here that it doesn’t really mean “submission” because in English that has a negative connotation. It’s not negative in Arabic. Salama is something highly positive and that’s why they use it for lots of words and phrases dealing with ideas related to peace like:
Islam (going into peace)
Ma3 as-salaama (go to peace=bye)
salaam (peace=hello)
What I’m just trying to say is that you can’t deny the origins of the word no matter how many partisan articles you are proud of yourself for reading because it is what it is, and I’m telling you that this idea of root letters carrying meaning is one of the most basic concepts in Semitic languages (Arabic included!). The simple fact is that the letters s-l-m mean peace and carry no negative connotations if put into forms in English that may carry those connotations (i.e. “submission”). I’m sorry that it has to be this way, but not everything about Islam is evil. Maybe you all should consider that because after having lived in the United Arab Emirates, Jordan, and Syria, I can tell you that the views of Islam here are quite…limited.
Do I believe Allah/God lives in the Kabaa? No. Do I believe Mu7ammed was His prophet? No. Do I see that Muslims seek to worship God? Yes.
I understand about the s-l-m, root, which does mean “to be peaceful.”
In short, it means whatever Muslims want it to mean.
More or less. Basically, many Moslems rely on people not knowing Arabic (which80% of Moslems don’t know anything of except for maybe memorized Koranic verses, not actual linguistic comprehension) in order to disguise the meaning. I’ve never seen this argument given to a native arabic speaker, simply because since they know the languge, they know the meaning already and so the meaning cannot be easily twisted.
You touch on a problem here that I’ve posed to Muslims before, here and other sites: How can you say you believe something if you don’t know what it means?
Moreover, human creation is described in the following Qur'anic verses: (O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him He created his wife (Eve), and from them both He created many men and women…) (An-Nisaa’ 4: 1)
(O mankind, if you are in doubt about the Resurrection, then verily! We have created you from dust, then from a nutfah (mixed drops of male and female sexual discharge)…) (Al-Hajj 22: 5)
However, Allah called His Prophet “light” and a “lamp spreading light” because of the guidance and light with which Allah sent him, with which Allah guides all those who answer his call (peace and blessings be upon him) as He says:
(O Prophet! Verily, We have sent you as witness, and a bearer of glad tidings, and a warner – and as one who invites to Allah by His leave, and as a lamp spreading light.) (Al-Ahzab 33: 45-46)
(Indeed, there has come to you a light (Prophet Muhammad) and a plain Book (the Qur’an).) (Al-Ma’idah 5: 15)
Related QuestionsMuslims worship him! They have to emulate him in everything. Everything has to be done they way he did it. Good grief, they even followed him around when he went to defecate in order to see how he did it, so they could copy him. Sick, sick, sick!