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Who has the Islamic authority to issue a legitimate, binding [on Muslims] fatwa? Any Muslim?
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Sadly , sometimes leader of any small Islamic group issues fatwa & try to implicate it by force. Say , in remote areas where police station is far away , they try to punish women only though they are not appointed by Govt. and has no right to carry out any punishment.
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Normally scholars/ religious leaders are supposed to give Fatwa. They can’t force anyone to follow it .
Sadly , sometimes leader of any small Islamic group issues fatwa & try to implicate it by force. Say , in remote areas where police station is far away , they try to punish women only though they are not appointed by Govt. and has no right to carry out any punishment.
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The Qur’an: An Awakening of Reason
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By Muhammad Muhammad Dawud
Understanding, meditation, observation, reasoning, are words reiterated many times in the Qur’an in the context of criticizing the disbelievers’ insistence on blind imitation of their wrong traditions and refusal of the truth.
For example, Allah Almighty says, [And when it is said unto them: Follow that which Allah hath revealed, they say: We follow that wherein we found our fathers. What! Even though their fathers were wholly unintelligent and had no guidance?] (Al-Baqarah 2:170).
Allah Almighty also says, [Will they then not meditate on the Qur’an, or are there locks on the hearts?] (Muhammad 47:24). In this verse, Allah Almighty calls the disbelievers to reflect on the verses of the Qur’an and try to get the message they imply.
Likewise, the Qur’an calls people to meditate deeply upon Allah’s creation. He Almighty, for instance, says, [Lo! In the creation of the heavens and the earth and (in) the difference of night and day are tokens (of His sovereignty) for men of understanding]
(Aal `Imran 3:190).
The Qur’an also awakens people to reflect upon Allah’s creation and the truth of their being by posing rhetorical questions in this respect. Allah Almighty says, for example, [Have they not observed all thing that Allah hath created] (An-Nahl 16:48). He Most High also says, [Will they not regard the camels, how they are created?] (Al-Ghashiyah 88:17).
There are also many verses in the Qur’an that wind up with impressive questions in this regard, such as, [Will they not then heed?] (As-Sajdah 32:26), [Will they not then see?] (As-Sajdah 32:27), [Have ye then no sense?] (Ya-Sin 36:68).
…Almighty Allah forbids all things that may cause harm to man’s intellect and make him intoxicated. Hence, He Almighty says, [O ye who believe! Strong drink and games of chance and idols and divining arrows are only an infamy of Satan’s handiwork. Leave it aside in order that ye may succeed] (Al-Ma’idah 5:90).
The Qur’an also stresses that having sound knowledge is the means for developing one’s intellectual faculties; this is implied in Almighty Allah’s words [And such are the parables We set forth for mankind, but only those understand them who have knowledge] (Al-`Ankabut 29:43).
…Theses are points for all reasonable people to consider, and exceptionally truthful are Almighty Allah’s words But none remember except men of understanding] (Al-Baqarah 2:269).
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The Qur’an: An Awakening of Reason
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By Muhammad Muhammad Dawud
Understanding, meditation, observation, reasoning, are words reiterated many times in the Qur’an in the context of criticizing the disbelievers’ insistence on blind imitation of their wrong traditions and refusal of the truth.
For example, Allah Almighty says, [And when it is said unto them: Follow that which Allah hath revealed, they say: We follow that wherein we found our fathers. What! Even though their fathers were wholly unintelligent and had no guidance?] (Al-Baqarah 2:170).
Allah Almighty also says, [Will they then not meditate on the Qur’an, or are there locks on the hearts?] (Muhammad 47:24). In this verse, Allah Almighty calls the disbelievers to reflect on the verses of the Qur’an and try to get the message they imply.
Likewise, the Qur’an calls people to meditate deeply upon Allah’s creation. He Almighty, for instance, says, [Lo! In the creation of the heavens and the earth and (in) the difference of night and day are tokens (of His sovereignty) for men of understanding]
(Aal `Imran 3:190).
The Qur’an also awakens people to reflect upon Allah’s creation and the truth of their being by posing rhetorical questions in this respect. Allah Almighty says, for example, [Have they not observed all thing that Allah hath created] (An-Nahl 16:48). He Most High also says, [Will they not regard the camels, how they are created?] (Al-Ghashiyah 88:17).
There are also many verses in the Qur’an that wind up with impressive questions in this regard, such as, [Will they not then heed?] (As-Sajdah 32:26), [Will they not then see?] (As-Sajdah 32:27), [Have ye then no sense?] (Ya-Sin 36:68).
…Almighty Allah forbids all things that may cause harm to man’s intellect and make him intoxicated. Hence, He Almighty says, [O ye who believe! Strong drink and games of chance and idols and divining arrows are only an infamy of Satan’s handiwork. Leave it aside in order that ye may succeed] (Al-Ma’idah 5:90).
The Qur’an also stresses that having sound knowledge is the means for developing one’s intellectual faculties; this is implied in Almighty Allah’s words [And such are the parables We set forth for mankind, but only those understand them who have knowledge] (Al-`Ankabut 29:43).
…Theses are points for all reasonable people to consider, and exceptionally truthful are Almighty Allah’s words But none remember except men of understanding] (Al-Baqarah 2:269).
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** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **
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What Does It Mean to Be a Muslim? *
By Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi , North America
Muslims believe that Surat Al-Israa’ was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) in Makkah after his Night Journey from Makkah to Jerusalem.
In this surah, Allah mentions some basic commitments of Muslims…These principles are as follows:
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What Does It Mean to Be a Muslim? *
By Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi , North America
Muslims believe that Surat Al-Israa’ was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) in Makkah after his Night Journey from Makkah to Jerusalem.
In this surah, Allah mentions some basic commitments of Muslims…These principles are as follows:
- To worship Allah alone
- To be respectful and kind to parents
- To be good to relatives, to the poor, and to travelers
- To be careful with money and not waste resources
- To take good care of children
- To steer clear of adultery and illicit relations
- To respect every life and not to kill anyone unless in the pursuit of justice
- To take care of the orphans
- To fulfill promises and commitments
- To be honest in business dealings
- To act upon knowledge and not follow hearsay or act on half-truths
- To be humble and have no arrogance
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planten
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B L, when Muslims do not consider Muhammad as god how can they worship him. Do they call him for help. Do they bow before him. Muhammad knew all about the serious mistake of the church. So he made sure that he was not to be made a diety. he told every one to call him the servant and messenger of God. Do you see that B L???
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sedonaman
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How could he know? He was illiterate.
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dzheremi
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Obviously the gnostics that he got his information from told him so…because, you know, if there’s anyone that I would trust to get accurate information from about orthodox Christianity from, it would be the gnostics! 
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planten
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**dzhereme, you are taking the wrong route on a difficult road. Why not believe Muhammad that all was told to Him by Allah care of an angel of God?. Why not believe that? Because angels had always been coming and telling things to mankind (see your bible)…Obviously the gnostics that he got his information from told him so…because, you know, if there’s anyone that I would trust to get accurate information from about orthodox Christianity from, it would be the gnostics!
In your bibleNT (Luke) is written all about an angel coming to Mary and telling her that she should be happy that she is going to have a son and… Quite a long story from the angel. When you people believe in that then why do you not believe in the angel visiting Muhammad? Is the angel not allowed to come to MUhammad? Is God not allowed to send an angel with His message to Muhammad?
If you do not believe in Muhammad then you cannot believe in anything about angels in the bibleNT. Why do you have double standard? You know that you are wrong.
Mary did not tell you that an angel visited her with good news. She did not say any such thing in the bible. Yet some one writes about it. WE do not know who wrote that. And you believe it. Why do you believe that when Mary did not say it? Perhaps she did not know about the angel at all.
You people are just trying to be playing with Muslims and just trying to be difficult.
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sedonaman
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What are you, some kind of glutton for punishment? Samaan provided an answer to this question in post #842 of this thread, and you completely refused to answer.
We’ve also shot down this statement as a logical fallacy a number of times. Following samaan’s example, let’s apply the same logic to another scenario:
I didn’t believe the TV flimflam man when he said I needed a new knife set, so I can’t believe the TV car adman who says I need a new car.
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Because of, among other things, the warning given to us in Galatians 1:8 that we are not to accept other gospels, even if they claim to come from an angel from heaven. This is precisely the method by which Muhammad claimed to receive the Qur’an, isn’t it? That alone makes it suspect to us, and leads us to remember Galatians and reject Muhammad. But even if that verse had never been written, we could still look at the Qur’an and compare it with the Bible and see whether or not Muhammad’s message matched the messages from God in the Bible, We would find that in many important ways, the message of Muhammad is different and contradictory with the message of the Bible. So, my friend, it is precisely because I do read my Bible and believe the holy tradition that the Bible forms an integral part of that I reject Muhammad and Islam. The answer to your question is in your question.
Because the angel who came to Mary did not come to bring another gospel that contradicted what had been established, but to bring her good news of her place in the salvation of mankind through her acceptance of God’s plan for His only begotten son, Jesus Christ. If the angel had come to claim false things about God, then we would be right to question it. We do not just accept the message of anyone who claims to have conversed with the angels. Plenty of people have claimed that. I could claim that, and so could you. That would NOT mean that what we said the “angel” told us was true. Testing the truth of alleged spiritual encounters is necessary so that we can preserve our holy faith against those who wish to pervert or destroy it. The way that is most often done is by comparing the “new” revelation against past revelations that have been accepted as true. Think of it like a “strong” (accepted) hadith vs. a “weak” (doubtful) hadith. Muhammad’s entire story and the Qur’an are for us like the doubtful hadith, because they are not verifiable and they do not match up with what we know to be truth from the reliable histories (found for us in Church tradition, including the Bible as it is used by the Catholics and Orthodox).
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As I have just explained, God can do whatever He wants. He could send an angel to whoever He wants, but not to charge corruption against the people when He previously guaranteed His promises to them. That is not the nature of God. God is not untruth. So anyone who claims to receive a message from God must allow that message to be scrutinized. This is not possible in Islam, correct? You are not allowed to doubt the truth of the Qur’an, because it is claimed to be the literal word of God. We do not believe that, so we ask, as St. John Damascene did hundreds of years ago: Where is your proof? Your message contradicts ours, so we are not inclined to believe it. We wait for proof, as our forefathers did across the Christian world 1400 years ago.
This is false. I can (and do) believe in the angels and their interactions with humans as written in the Bible. I do not believe in Muhammad and his (alone) interaction with something representing the angel Gabriel. That is not a double standard. That is consistent with my strong belief in my own faith. If Muhammad is correct, it is up to HIM to show how his religion is what he says it is, some sort of “restoration” of the original religion he claims has been corrupted by the Jews and the Christians. Since he cannot show this corruption (and neither can you or any Muslim), and more importantly since our scriptures contain the promises of GOD against such corruption, it is incumbent upon us to always and forever reject the lies of Islam. To do otherwise would be wrong. Muhammad cannot challenge God while pretending to serve him. Even simple humans such as myself can see that Muhammad’s message is contradictory and not of God.
I could ask you the same thing about hundreds of events recorded in Islamic writings, but what would be the point? I believe in the Bible because it is the written record of the faith that has been handed down since the days of the Apostles, who followed Jesus Christ and bore witness to the miracle of His glorious resurrection and other miracles. Would Mary’s word before me personally change this at all? Certainly not. I come before the Theotokos in prayer quite often, as there is an icon of her in my local church where I will often go to pray. Should she ever come to me, I would hope it would be there. But, unlike you, I am content that she offer my petitions before the Lord. I do not need literal visions of her to know of her place as the handmaiden of the Lord. Catholics are quite strong in their Marian devotions, as you may or may not know. We have no doubt, no matter what you say. Go be a Protestant somewhere else.
You are entitled to your opinion. I am sorry that you feel this way, as I am trying to have a genuine conversation with you, that does not obscure or apologize for our differences but instead gives you a clear answer to your questions. If you do not wish to have such a conversation, fine. I am done with discussing things with you that you do not wish to discuss. I would rather remain silent than placate you with false answers just so that you’ll like me more. It’s not about how you and I get along or what you think I’m trying to do or not do. It’s about standing up for the truth in the best way that I can.
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Planten, my friend this is very difficult if not impossible to believe because our problem is not about believing the NT but about believing Muhammed. You are trying to tell us that the stone is a leaf, because you see it as a leaf while all of us know you are referring to a stone. How can that be? Muhammed does not belong in the NT and his story are all lies. We have proven this to you and knocked the stone on your head but you still want to call it a leaf.
So, which one do you think is believable, the story in the OT and NT or Muhammed? The evidences are overwhelming and the story of Muhammed is not even worthy to be compared to the Holy Bible. So if you keep on insisting that Muhammed has the right to be believed, then you have to deal with it and keep it within yourself. Insisting upon us that his story is worthy to be in parallel with the Bible is like telling us to believe a lunatic who made up a story then tries to discredit the Bible because he claimed to be more believable. Our intellect tells us that there is no way it is comparable because we know how to find the truth, and the truth leads us to what it is written in the Holy Bible and no where in the Bible that Muhammed is a part of it.
We have no intention to disrespect your belief but you are insisting the wrong argument, my friend. The angels that are in the Bible are not the same as the one with Muhammed because their characteristics are not the same, besides, even though the story of the angel in Mary is mentioned by someone, it still represent a true account because the story is supported by the whole story in the Bible. Is Muhammed supported by the Bible? Of course not! So, Muhammed distorted your mind and that his story tells deceptions based on the accounts of his own followers and himself proving that everything he did had no divine interventions but a mere work of a person who has other agenda in mind. It means that he is not to be reckoned with as a man worthy to be believed because the evidences prove otherwise.
So, the question is, why not believe the truth that is already there, and is perfect in every way? Why do you have to insist on Muhammed if you think that his works is part of the Bible? It is a waste of your wisdom.
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planten
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** Which other gospels you were forbidden? And which gospels were allowed to you? Can you name any please? What is galatians? Who taught it, wrote it? Did Jesus have to do anything with it? No.
There was quite a big bundle of gospels at the council in year 325 A.D. You chose only the few? How come? Are you gods?
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Are you sure that angel came to Mary? Did she tell any one? Show me fromt he bible that she told any one.
His begotten son or her begotten son?
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**You could claim that angel taught you something. But would you produce a bible or the Quran too. You feel you could then become mary or Jesus or Muhammad??
My case is clear. I believe that angel visite dMary and told he reverything. It is your problem that you disbelieve a similar thing for no serious reasons. Then you enter yourself to and bing in Koreish and Joseph Smith in your support. They have yet a long way to go to reach Jesus or Muhammad**.
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You would like to be the examiner, the judge, even though Jesus forbade you to judge any one. You are clearly disobeying jesus too.
You are following your own whims and wishes.
You go ahead with your plans of passing judgements. But do not set the Quran aside. Try to read part of it daily, as we are reading the bible.
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planten
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** Belief, belief, belief. That is not enough. It has to be rational. Otherwise the pagans also believe in somethings. So they worship the idols. I am ready to along with you for all your good and sound beliefs. But if I find something wrong then please, I am sorry. I would not follow you**.
** I think you are not right. I will believe what I find to be right. You will believe what you find to be right. There is no harm in my telling you what I believe because you are also permitted to make your beliefs known to every one peacefully.**
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Muhamamd never dsicreditted the bible or Torah. He gave support to the bible.
Could you disregard the bible and rely on your intellect alone? I hope not. Of course Muhammd could not be openly mentioned in the bible. Same as Jesus was not mentioned in the Torah openly.
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**You have different kinds of angels and also different kinds (list) of your own choice prophets. You do not believe in all the prophets of God. You seem to know the characteristics of the angels, maybe you can count their wings too. I believe in your angels. You do not believe in our angels. Very good going. I accept your stand. Keep it. **
If Muhammad was not supported by the bible then we know that Muhammad supported the bible as true book given to Jesus which the followers could not preserve..
** It is good to believe and support the truth and I am trying to do that. Thanks. I am trying to look for any truth in the teachings of the Catholics.**
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** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **
Salaam/ Peace
Is It Obligatory to Learn Arabic to Be a Muslim?
Name of Counsellor: IOL Shari`ah Researchers, Ahmad Kutty
.The definition of a believer is one who believes in Allah and the angels, the Books, the Messengers, the Last Day, the fact that good and bad are decreed by Allah; as regards practices, a believer upholds the five fundamental pillars, namely, the five daily prayers, offering Zakah, fasting the month of Ramadan and performing Hajj—provided one can afford it.
There is no other stated requirement for being a Muslim; Allah says, (Whoever surrenders his purpose to Allah while doing good works, they will surely have their rewards with their Lord, and they will have no reason to fear or grieve.) (Al-Baqarah 2: 112)
In conclusion: It is absolutely wrong to insist on knowledge of Arabic as being an absolute requirement in Islam.
…It is Allah who has made us speak different languages. …He says: (And of His signs are the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your tongues and your complexions. In all that there are signs for those who are endowed with knowledge.) (Ar-Rum 30: 22)
What is required of every Muslim is to be able to read surat Al-Fatihah and some other passages of the Qur’an in Arabic to enable him/her to offer his/her prayers. However, it is to the advantage of every Muslim to understand Arabic, because that would enable him to have a better insight into his faith.
Allah Almighty knows best.
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Salaam/ Peace
Is It Obligatory to Learn Arabic to Be a Muslim?
Name of Counsellor: IOL Shari`ah Researchers, Ahmad Kutty
.The definition of a believer is one who believes in Allah and the angels, the Books, the Messengers, the Last Day, the fact that good and bad are decreed by Allah; as regards practices, a believer upholds the five fundamental pillars, namely, the five daily prayers, offering Zakah, fasting the month of Ramadan and performing Hajj—provided one can afford it.
There is no other stated requirement for being a Muslim; Allah says, (Whoever surrenders his purpose to Allah while doing good works, they will surely have their rewards with their Lord, and they will have no reason to fear or grieve.) (Al-Baqarah 2: 112)
In conclusion: It is absolutely wrong to insist on knowledge of Arabic as being an absolute requirement in Islam.
…It is Allah who has made us speak different languages. …He says: (And of His signs are the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your tongues and your complexions. In all that there are signs for those who are endowed with knowledge.) (Ar-Rum 30: 22)
What is required of every Muslim is to be able to read surat Al-Fatihah and some other passages of the Qur’an in Arabic to enable him/her to offer his/her prayers. However, it is to the advantage of every Muslim to understand Arabic, because that would enable him to have a better insight into his faith.
Allah Almighty knows best.
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**I doubt very much that that is true. muslims only read the Bible to compare it to the quran. They are very insecure in their faith and the only way they can believe islam is true is to check it against the Bible. If they actually read the Bible like they shoud they would understand it but they don’t. My ex used to do this all the time! I wish they could get past the rigid fear of questioning islam and join humanity. **
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Why do you keep posting this same foolish claim? We have been over this before, Belief, true belief, can come only from understanding. Memorization by itself does not constitute understanding, nor is a text’s capability to be memorized, whether by one person or 1.3 billion, proof of anything other than it can be memorized.
In the end, we are stuck with one question you refuse to answer: Why would a god reveal his “perfect word for all mankind for all time” in a language only seventh century Arabic speakers could ever understand? Because there is no answer to this question.
“Obviously, the real reason for this illogical myth is that, for the first time, the information age is making the full history and texts of the Islamic ‘religion’ available to a broader audience, and it is highly embarrassing to both Muslim scholars and their faithful flock. Pretending that different meanings exist in Arabic is a way of finding solace and saving face.” thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Games-Muslims-Play.htm
Corruption in the Qur’an [using Islamic sources]
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** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **
Salaam/ Peace
God sent previous holy books in the languages Prophets used to speak. As Muhammed (pbuh) was an Arab , God revealed His final book in the language of His messenger.
And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his folk, that he might make (the message) clear for them… (Ibrahim: 4)
Thus have We sent by inspiration to you an Arabic Quran: that you may warn the Mother City (Mecca) and around her,- and warn (them) of the Day of Assembly, of which there is no doubt: (when) some will be in the Garden, and some in the Blazing Fire. (Quran 42:7)
Had We sent this as a Qur’an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said: “Why are not its verses explained in detail? **What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?” ** 41: 44
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There is not ’ a god’ . God is only one.
God sent previous holy books in the languages Prophets used to speak. As Muhammed (pbuh) was an Arab , God revealed His final book in the language of His messenger.
And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his folk, that he might make (the message) clear for them… (Ibrahim: 4)
Thus have We sent by inspiration to you an Arabic Quran: that you may warn the Mother City (Mecca) and around her,- and warn (them) of the Day of Assembly, of which there is no doubt: (when) some will be in the Garden, and some in the Blazing Fire. (Quran 42:7)
Had We sent this as a Qur’an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said: “Why are not its verses explained in detail? **What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?” ** 41: 44
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planten
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**J C, you are right. I do not go deep into the bible. I do not regard any work of Saul as genuine. I mostly read the four gospels only. That is enough for me. There is more direct speech about Jesus in the four gospels than there is in other parts of bibleNT.
So you should believe what I said. I did not mean I did not know galatians. I knew it is something in the bible. But I did not read it. I did not take interest in it. that is all.
So you can also read some chapters of the Quran, like I read the gospels. Welcome**.
So you should believe what I said. I did not mean I did not know galatians. I knew it is something in the bible. But I did not read it. I did not take interest in it. that is all.
So you can also read some chapters of the Quran, like I read the gospels. Welcome**.
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sedonaman
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This just re-enforces my point. If the Qur’an is in Arabic so the messenger could relay Allah’s message so that it is understandable, how does the message become understandable to those who do not speak Arabic?
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